Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

As I had stated this legal ban on sex between adult students and teachers is just a started of a drive to take away the right of adult women for one reason or another to consent to sex, in my opinion.

Poor dumb dears need to be protected even if they are adults from evil males.

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@BillRM,

This is your idea of how adult competent women are having their ability to knowingly, willingly, and freely, consent to sexual relations limited by the government? Rolling Eyes

Are you nuts?

The law prohibits teachers (and other school personnel) involved with students in grades K-12 from sexual contact with those students.

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Even though the students were old enough to consent, Kansas laws say teachers are in a position of power and they should not abuse that relationship.

"We think it sends a message that there's a responsibility that teachers have, and when they violate their duties and their responsibilities that criminal charges are appropriate," Howe explained.
http://www.kshb.com/dpp/news/crime/former-teacher-pleads-guilty-to-having-sex-with-students#ixzz1yxiKJAPP

The law does not affect a competent adult from consenting to sex--it criminalizes the action of the teacher regarding a student in grades K-12. The law is designed to restrain the behavior of the teacher. And the law says nothing about gender.

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Under state law, prosecutors are required to notify the state board of education of the conviction and sentencing. Such a conviction will result in Preston’s license to teach being revoked, a Department of Education official said, and would make it unlikely that it would ever be reinstated.
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/06/01/3636881/probation-ordered-for-former-shawnee.html#storylink=cpy

And the charge against that teacher was unlawful sex with a minor--two of the students were under 18.

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JOHNSON COUNTY, Kan. — Former Shawnee Mission West High School teacher Michelle Preston was sentenced Friday to 36 months probation for having sex with her students.

In April, Preston, 28, pleaded guilty to three counts of unlawful sex with a minor. Preston’s attorney, Scott Toth, said although her crimes carry a 31-month to 13-year prison sentence, by pleading guilty, Preston will not serve any prison time unless she violates her probation. If that occurs, she will spend 32 months in jail.

Preston must also register as a sex offender. However, under the agreement, she can have her record wiped clean in three years if there are no violations
http://fox4kc.com/2012/06/01/ex-smw-high-teacher-to-be-sentenced-in-sex-with-minors-case/

As a competent adult female, I can assure you that the government is not interfering with my ability to knowingly, willingly, and freely, consent to sex.

And no other competent adult females contributing to this thread have complained that their ability to knowingly, willingly, and freely, consent to sex has been restricted by the government.

Take your nonsense elsewhere. Women can speak for themselves.

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@firefly,

Bill is a moron. This is about protecting minors from adult sexual preditors. Nothing to do with gender, but as always he likes to cast himself as a victim.

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A mother-of-five who had sex with underage boys to "reward" them for smashing a love rival's car has been jailed for two-and-a-half-years.

Davina Travi, 42, of Rochester Road, Bournemouth, held regular parties where she would allow children to smoke and drink, Bournemouth Crown Court heard.

The sex offences were revealed to a social worker by one of the boys.

Travi was found guilty of two offences of having sex with a child under the age of 16.

The court was told Travi had sex with the boys in return for them damaging her ex-lover's partner's car.

But the woman claimed the boys were lying and said it was impossible for her to have sex with them due to a medical condition.

Maria Sciberras, for the prosecution, said: "It was the prosecution case that Davina Travi incited the two youths to commit criminal damage upon her ex-lover's partner's car with the promise of rewarding them with sex.

"There is no doubt that she used the age and immaturity of these youths for her own advantage."

In addition to her jail sentence, Travi was banned from having unsupervised contact with young boys, except for family members, and placed on the sex offenders register for life.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-17554375

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@firefly,

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Are you nuts?

Sorry dear but that is the current law in a number of states and more states are in the process of adding such laws onto their law books such as Michigan,

Then we had one man that we know of who was sentence to thirty years under such a law and was in fact servicing that thirty years repeat thiry years sentence for having consensus sex with an adult women until that state SC throwed the law out.

I do not see why in any case you are not happy over the matter Firefly as that had always seems to had been your position that the state should protected the poor dumb ladies from thier own bad judgment when it come to dealing with their sexaul relationships with evil men.

Of course you do not veiw yourself as one of those dumb femalse just most of the rest of womankind it would seems.

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@firefly,

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And the charge against that teacher was unlawful sex with a minor--two of the students were under 18.

No where in the Kansas law does it have any repeat any comment about minors it state over and over 16 years or older period.

The law lists all kind of groups that can not have consenus sex age 16 year or older such as prison guards with the prisioners they supervise and throw in 16 to death for teachers as one of such grouping.

The law is clear if you are a teacher you are a felon if you had consensus sex with a student 16 years or older as the law does not stated 16 years to 18 years or a minor from 16 years to adulthood.

Nor with the law other clauses would such a limit make sense for that matter.

Again why are you not happy as that seems to be your position all along that women should be protected from thier own bad judgment?

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@firefly,

Here is some more proof that the Kansas law apply to adult students and teachers relationaships.

Poor Firefly you had been proven wrong over and over on this matter.

http://www.ksn.com/news/local/story/Fmr-Wichita-teacher-plans-to-fight-sex-related-law/g5SClKFrHkC8KuaPh_cTPg.cspx

WICHITA, Kansas – A teacher convicted of having sex with a student will try to get the law tossed out, saying the student was an adult and the sex shouldn’t be criminal. The teacher is 30 years old. The student was 18. And a state law makes sex between the two a felony. But the teacher’s lawyer says the law is unconstitutional and will fight to get it erased from the law books.

Attorneys for 30-year-old Charles Edwards are not fighting his firing from the Wichita School District. But they say his arrest on criminal charges is unconstitutional. Edwards taught vocal lessons at Northwest High School and had sex with an 18-year-old student.

Kansas law bans any sex between any kind of law enforcement officer and inmates. There’s also a clause saying it’s criminal if the offender is a teacher or a person in position of authority and the person with whom the offender is engaging in consensual sexual intercourse is a student enrolled at the school where the offender is employed.

Edwards’ attorney says his client pleaded guilty to the charge so they could begin appealing the law.

“How far do we want the state to pry into our individual consensual sexual relationships?” said legal analyst Dan Monnat, who is not representing Edwards.

Monnat says Edwards may have a case against the constitutionality of the law.

A Supreme Court ruling declaring laws banning gay sex between consenting adults may apply to this case. Monnat says just because people may find a relationship inappropriate, doesn’t mean it should be against the law.

“There may be all kinds of consensual sexual relations that the public finds in bad taste, but does the public want to send those persons to prison?” he said.

Edwards will be sentenced on the conviction in May. His lawyer is expecting probation because of his client’s clean criminal record. The appeals process is expected to take about a year

http://www.kansas.com/2012/03/17/2260504/teachers-behaving-badly-schools.html

• Also last fall, two Clearwater teachers – Cathleen Balman and Amber Dull – were charged in separate incidents with having unlawful sexual relations with students. In Kansas, it’s illegal for a teacher to have sexual relations with a student of any age.
• And last spring, former Wichita Northwest High School choir teacher Charles Edwards received one year probation after admitting he had consensual sex with an 18-year-old student.

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To sum up a woman can indeed ask to be "raped" as an adult and fully legaly competent woman can and had have her rights in some states to consent to sex limited in the name of protecting her from evil males teachers.

This assuming most courts allow such laws to stand is going to be the knife blade into banning sex between all manner of legal adults for thier own good.

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Lord I am happy as I see I am now getting voted down for the misdeed of posting news stories proving my friend Firefly once more dead wrong.

Poor babies who can not take the truth it would seems that some states governments are in the business of protedcting adult women from themselves and in order to do so are cheerfully taking away thier rights to consent to sex in some situations.

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@BillRM,

Now that you have proved her wrong again its time for the cartoons and assertions that you are a defective.

ROLL EM Firefly!

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@izzythepush,

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Bill is a moron. This is about protecting minors from adult sexual preditors. Nothing to do with gender, but as always he likes to cast himself as a victim.

Bill is not only a moron, his current straw-man argument, about competent adult women being denied their right to willingly and knowingly consent to sex, is one of the most idiotic and illogical he has come up with.

These teacher/student illegal sexual contact laws have nothing to do with gender--gender is never mentioned in these laws. The only reason Bill brings up gender is because he wants minors available to adult predators--and he is specifically, and repeatedly, emphasizing that he wants those minors to be females. And this has nothing to do with valid "consent" issues-- he just doesn't want these adult predators to have to face legal sanctions for their inappropriate sexual behaviors toward 16 and 17 year old female minors. It's similar to his arguments that collectors and distributors of child pornography involving females of that age shouldn't be punished severely--in Bill's mind, these children are fair prey for both sexual exploitation and sexual involvement by adult men.

Apparently, Bill feels there should be be no ethical or moral constraints on the sexual behavior of teachers regarding their contacts with students in grades K-12. I doubt that any school district, or profesional teachers organizations would support him in that view. Whether or not such sexual behavior on the part of the teacher is regarded as criminal, it is regarded as being professionally unethical, and unacceptable, and intolerable, for reasons that are apparent to any thinking person. Even in cases where the students are legal adults, this sort of behavior on the part of a teacher is not going to be tolerated, nor should it be tolerated. There are lines of professional responsibility and ethics that cannot be crossed in certain situations, and teachers are aware of that and expected to abide by such standards. Not that Bill seems even dimly aware of notions of ethics.

Bill doesn't understand legal consent issues--the issues he has been raising are not consent issues. It's because he can't understand what "consent" is all about, as it pertains to competent adults, that he can't meaningfully contribute to a discussion of sexual assault/rape, and the exact laws that define those criminal acts.

Calling him a moron is an understatement. He is considerably more perverse than that.

Mainly, he's just a pathetic old fart who's been using this thread to get his rocks off about women, and indulging his own pathetic fantasies about sexually assaulting the most vulnerable.

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@firefly,

There has to be a line drawn in the classroom. some of the students may be adults, but they're vulnerable adults. They should be experimenting sexually with each other not older people in authority.

As an ex-teacher myself I can't think of any of my colleagues that would support Bill's sick fantasies. A line needs to be drawn, and when a colleague acts unprofessionally it undermines the whole profession, and makes teaching that bit harder for everyone.

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@firefly,

I love it, as Hawkeye would say, you are never never wrong even when proven wrong and no I do not think the government should be in the business of locking people up for twenty years or half an hour for that matter because the vast majority does not approve of what is in effect none of their business when we are talking about consensus sex between legal adults.

Once you go down that road there is no clear end point for the state to stop interfering with adults acts of consenting sex.

From gay sex as in the past to SM sex to teacher/student sex to GPs patient sex to lawyers clients sex to a Bill Gate courting a lower level employee at Microsoft.

Not everything that might be morally wrong/distasteful should be legally wrong with special note not when it involved taking away one of the most basic rights of adults to form consenting sexual relationship with other adults.

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@firefly,

Footnote as far as your claims that such laws are sex neutral no one care about an 18 year old male getting lucky with a 3o something woman teacher as is shown by how female teachers are given a slap on the wrist time after time for having sex with 14 or 15 years old boys where male teachers are send away for long long long years behind bars for the same offense.

These new laws that interfere with a legally adult student having sex with a teacher is all to protected the poor dumb females from their own stupidity in the society eyes not males who the society always had assume are far more able to govern their own lives then females happen to be and we are far more willing to allow them to make their own errors in life.

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@BillRM,

What supports your belief that teachers have those "rights" to sexual contacts with their students?

Professionals, including teachers, are bound by professional standards of behavior and conduct which are apart from, and in addition to, any criminal laws. And that includes sexual contacts with their students.

This is not about consent, it has nothing to do with professional behavior on the part of teachers. And, most definitely, when that teacher holds a license issued by the state, those standards will be enforced on a state-wide level. That's how the integrity of the profession, and the license is maintained.
consent, it has everything to do with setting standards for appropriate and acceptable
And that is true in the state of Florida, where you live.

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Florida teacher sexual misconduct cases: a list
April 25, 2010
The Sun Sentinel

In the past five years, more than 175 Florida teachers have had their licenses revoked for sexual misconduct ranging from inappropriate comments to touching and actual affairs with students. Other teachers have been accused of or arrested for alleged sexual misdeeds, and their cases are still winding through school disciplinary proceedings and the courts.

Complaints against teachers take two tracks: a police investigation if criminal activity may be involved, and an administrative investigation to determine disciplinary action. The administrative investigations are handled first by the school district. If substantiated, the district can take action ranging from reprimands to dismissal. The districts must also determine whether the teacher's conduct may have violated the code of ethics. Those cases are referred to the state Department of Education, which conducts its own investigation to determine whether action should be taken against the teacher's license. If "probable cause" is found to indicate a teacher has violated ethics rules or laws, the Education Commissioner files a formal complaint with specific allegations. Improper relations with students carry the most severe penalty: revocation of the teacher's license, called an educator's certificate. The state Education Practices Commission issues a formal order revoking the teacher's certificate and adopting the allegations as fact. Even in cases where teachers surrender their licenses or choose not to contest the charges, the allegations are still considered proven and their certificates revoked.

Here are cases of teachers from South Florida and other parts of the state and their acts of misconduct as described in police reports and disciplinary documents filed by the state Education Practices Commission.

BROWARD COUNTY

Their relationship started when he was her math tutor. Alex Anninos, a teacher at Cypress Bay High School in Weston, was 30 and his student 17. Their tutoring sessions progressed to dating and sex. The girl told school investigators she was in love with the teacher. Anninos resigned, and the state took away his teaching license in December 2007.

John Cowmeadow, a Coral Springs Middle School science teacher, sent e-mails to one of his former students, then 14, referring to himself as Mr. Moo. "You don't have to say you love me,'' wrote Cowmeadow, 55 at the time. "I feel it when we hug … when I close my eyes I see the top of your head and feel you on my shoulder." The student's mother reported the e-mails to the principal. Cowmeadow retired, and the state revoked his teaching license in March 2005.

Alain Cupas is serving a 30-year prison sentence for molesting a 15-year-old student at Everglades High School in Miramar, where he was a wrestling coach. While escorting the student to class, Cupas, then 28, kissed and fondled her and exposed himself. The girl testified at his trial last year that Cupas backed her against a wall and said, "Damn, you're so fine, you're so sexy. I shouldn't be doing this. I could get fired for this.''

High school teacher Gerard Czwartacky made inappropriate sexual comments and touched female students. In one case, the former teacher at Cypress Bay High School in Weston discussed an upcoming class party with a student, pulling her close and saying, "We will have our own party.'' He played with students' hair, rubbed their backs and once traced a line with his finger on the body of an 18-year-old student, touching her from below her breast to her waist. Czwartacky, then 55, resigned. His license was revoked in January 2008.

Orville Edwards Jr. was arrested in April on charges that he had sex with an eighth-grader at Ricklands Middle School in Oakland Park. Edwards, 36, asked the girl to meet him in his science classroom, then took her to a lab and had sex with her, a Broward Sheriff's Office report said. Edwards acknowledged to investigators that he had a relationship with the student, brought to light when someone discovered a sexually explicit text message on a cell phone. His case is pending.

High school history teacher Philip Gioco exchanged hundreds of text messages with five male students and called them "during all hours on school days, weekends and during breaks,'' a state disciplinary complaint says. The Hollywood Hills High School teacher supplied students with alcohol, bought them dinner and gave two of them money. He did not contest the allegations, and the state revoked his teaching license in January 2009.
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2010-04-25/news/fl-teacher-misconduct-profiles-20100416_1_education-practices-commission-alex-anninos-science-teacher

This isn't about "consent"--the issue in these cases is about sexual misconduct on the part of a teacher, conduct that violates ethical standards.

Just because you have a driver's license doesn't entitle you to drive drunk. Just because you have a teacher's license doesn't entitle you to use the student population of your school to satisfy your sexual needs.

The basic issues involved, as usual, are over your head.

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@firefly,

Sorry dear it is not the teachers right to have sex with adult students that concern me but the right of any adult to form consenting sexual relationships with other adults without the state interfering with the process.

Take note that at least one state supreme court had agree with my position not your and I would bet that when the challenge reach the Kansas SC will rule in the same way.

It sad however that such laws are passed in the first place as it is none of the society business what adults form sexual relationships with what others competence adults.

If society question that 18 years olds females should not be consider competence adults then the more honest approach would be to raised the age of adulthood for women at least.

How does thirty sound to you Firefly?

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@firefly,

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This is not about consent, it has nothing to do with professional behavior on the part of teachers.

That was a typo on my part that contained an omission.

It should read...

This is not about consent, it has nothing to do with consent, it is about professional behavior on the part of teachers.

The issue is clearly too difficult for BillRM to grasp.

The adult student is free to consent, but the student's teacher may still lose his or her job and/or teaching license, because that teacher is bound by certain standards of professional conduct.

It's not about consent. It's about professional standards of conduct mandated for teachers.

And the issue has nothing to do with gender.

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Back to the topic of this thread.

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Bold campaign raising awareness about date rape
By Larissa Barlow
Posted 3 hours ago

A bold new campaign from the YWCA of Banff bringing awareness to date rape wants men to take notice and to “don’t be that guy.”

The Be Date Rape Aware/ Don’t Be That Guy campaign has posters going up in Banff nightclubs with some in-your-face images and messages about date rape. One image shows a woman passed out on a couch with the message “Just because she isn’t saying no… doesn’t mean she’s saying yes,” and another shows a man helping a woman into a car with the note, “Just because you help her home… doesn’t mean you get to help yourself.”

The messaging is a departure from other date rape awareness campaigns that generally target women — as the potential victim — to watch their drinks in bars and to always stay with a friend.

“What we know from the research is those campaigns aren’t working,” said Kathryn Williams, director of programs and community support for the YWCA. “They’re not doing anything except to continue to perpetuate myths around females that feel like it’s their fault when there’s an alcohol fuelled date rape situation, because after all these campaigns, women will go back and say, ‘well, I didn’t watch my drink I didn’t have a friend,’ and they’ll blame it on themselves.”

This campaign targets men, and focuses on how sex without consent is sexual assault.

“We know one in four women will experience an incident of sexual assault in their lifetime,” Williams said of the national statistic.

“In Banff we’re no different, and actually it is a big issue especially considering the alcohol (issues) in our community.

“Alcohol is the most common and prevalent date rape drug, but it’s not readily recognized as a tool used by perpetrators.”

Over the next few months, Williams said they hope to have posters in all nightclubs and some bars to bring awareness to how frequently alcohol is used in situations of sexual assault.

The poster will have a QR code that links to a website with common myths, statistics and contact information for support services.

As part of the campaign, the YWCA will also be giving out coasters to bars with less shocking imagery that includes some facts about date rape.

A similar campaign was run in Edmonton, and the YWCA of Banff received funding from the Banff Community Foundation to run one here throughout the summer.

Williams said the messaging may be shocking, but it needs to be to generate conversations about date rape.

“It’s a serious issue, you need to be bold to get people to take notice,” she said.

“Half of sexual assaults that young adults are experience are under the influence of alcohol.”

Locally, Bow Valley Victims Services responded and worked with 12 Banffites in 28 months who had survived a sexual assault.

For the Bow Valley as a whole, 38 people received support after a sexual assault.
http://www.banffcragandcanyon.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3590172

Take note of this

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One image shows a woman passed out on a couch with the message “Just because she isn’t saying no… doesn’t mean she’s saying yes,”

That's a consent issue.

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@firefly,

According to most feminists just because she is kissing you and rubbing your dick does not mean she is saying yes (has appropreatly consented thus freeing the man from potential rape convictions).......either. THAT is the kind of BS which the law is headed towards. It is time for all good citzens to scream ENOUGHT!

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@hawkeye10,

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just because she is kissing you and rubbing your dick does not mean she is saying yes (has appropreatly consented thus freeing the man from potential rape convictions).......either. THAT is the kind of BS which the law is headed towards. It is time for all good citzens to scream ENOUGHT!

Or jumped into your bed Hawkeye when you are sleeping and begin to have sex with you as happen to the West Point Cadet as the poor thing was to "drunk" to consent to the sex acts she started.

Passed out or nearly passed out is one thing being high however due to her own voluntary drinking or drugging is another thing completely.

We hold adults responsibility for their own actions when under the voluntary influence of alcohol or drugs such as driving but wish to place some duty to act as an adult woman guardian on her male sexual partners with possible years in prisons hanging over them if they do not do so and the woman regrets her actions after the fact. Rape due to regret after the fact.

Side note the involuntary used of so call date rape drugs by evil males in a woman drink is so rare it is almost an urban myth.

By Firefly standards, in any case, women are children that the society demand men treat as children when it come to sex.

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@BillRM,

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Passed out or nearly passed out is one thing being high however due to her own voluntary drinking or drugging is another thing completely.

We all know you see a drunk woman as a rare opportunity for you to get laid--given that no sober woman would bother with you.

However, under the law, sex with an incapacitated person is rape--regardless of the cause of the incapacitation.

So, if you can't exercise appropriate restraint and self control, and refrain from sexual intercourse under such circumstances, you might well be appropriately charged with rape. And bitching about the law will do you no good--you will be held responsible for your behaviors and your disregard for the law.

If you can't understand the relatively simple sexual assault/rape laws, I sure hope you don't drive a car--all those confusing traffic signals, not just red and green lights but blinking red lights and yellow lights, single and double lines in the center of the road, different speed limits, rules about passing school buses, etc.--no way you could understand all those complicated traffic laws.

Better stick to masturbating to your porn collection--and using public transportation as well. It's the safest route for someone of your limited capacities.

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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

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