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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 15 Apr, 2012 07:15 am
@BillRM,
How come you ignore it when males make false accusations? What makes you think that only females lie in that way?
Quote:
Man says his allegations about Bernie Fine sex abuse were lies - CNN.com
By Ronni Berke , CNN
2012-04-13
CNN.com

New York (CNN) -- A man who accused a Syracuse University assistant basketball coach of sexually molesting him as a child said Friday that it was all a lie.

"I fabricated everything about Bernie Fine," Zachary Tomaselli, 23, told CNN from his home in Lewiston, Maine. He said he never met Fine.

"Basically, I'm a sociopath. I take a lot of pride in lying," he said.

Tomaselli had told authorities that he and Fine watched pornography together in 2002 before Fine fondled him in a hotel room in Pittsburgh, where he'd gone to watch a Syracuse basketball game when he was 13 years-old.

In December, Tomaselli filed a lawsuit against Fine, but his attorney, Jeff Anderson, dismissed it weeks later.

"He's a troubled young man who I hope gets help," he said.

Tomaselli was among several who accused Fine of molesting them, leading to Fine's being fired in November.

Syracuse ball boys Mike Lang and his stepbrother, Bobby Davis, also stepped forward to accuse the coach of molesting them over several years.

Prosecutors said in December that despite credible allegations from Davis and Lang, they could not bring charges against Fine because the statute of limitations had expired.

When the allegations first surfaced, Fine -- married with a son and two daughters -- called them "patently false." He has not commented since.

Prison inmate Floyd "David" VanHooser also admitted making up abuse allegations against Fine, according to the Syracuse Post-Standard.

CNN has not previously reported VanHooser's allegations because sources close to the investigation said they did not believe his accounts to be credible.

"In a statement I gave I told a lot of lies about Bernie Fine," VanHooser reportedly wrote in letters, which are dated November 29. "None of what I said was true."

John Duncan, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office in New York's Northern District, which has jurisdiction over the Fine case, declined to comment on Friday's statement from Tomaselli.

Tomaselli, 23 is set to serve three years and three months in prison for sexually abusing a teenage boy in a separate case. He had pleaded guilty to those charges.

CNN's Ross Levitt contributed to this report.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/13/justice/new-york-zach-tomaselli/index.html

BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 16 Apr, 2012 02:11 am
@firefly,
LOL you mean that you are going to give credit to this man recanting as I was under the impression that people such as you next grant a "victim" with special note of a child "victim" any believe in his or her recanting.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 16 Apr, 2012 12:50 pm
@BillRM,
The man was 23 when he made his false accusation against the Syracuse coach. Is that your idea of a child?
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 16 Apr, 2012 03:10 pm
@firefly,
He however was a child when he claimed it happen!!!!!!

An not only are the government slow to credit children with recanting they are even slower when adults recant concerning claims of domestic violence.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 24 May, 2012 04:15 pm



Forcing plea deals on innocent men.
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Facebook message led to football player's rape exoneration
May 24, 2012 | 2:32 pm 2619

Brian Banks logged onto Facebook last year, and a new friend request startled him.

It was the woman who, nearly a decade ago, accused him of rape when they were both students at Long Beach Poly High School.

Banks had recently ended a five-year stint in prison for the rape, and was unemployed and beaten down. So he replied with a question: Would she meet with him and a private investigator? She agreed.

At the meeting, which was secretly recorded, Wanetta Gibson said she had lied.

"No," she was quoted as saying, "he did not rape me."

That admission set off an extraordinary chain of events that culminated Thursday morning. A Superior Court judge dismissed Banks’ conviction, undoing 10 years of turmoil in a hearing that lasted less than a minute.

Banks, 26, bowed his head and trembled, his eyes flooded with tears. His girlfriend, Pamela Soladar, yelped with joy. They made their way to each other and embraced, Banks too overwhelmed to speak.

“You made it,” she whispered to him.

It had been a long, maddening journey.

In the summer of 2002, Banks was considered a top college football prospect. A 6-foot-4, 225-pound middle linebacker at Long Beach Poly High, Banks had been courted by USC, UCLA and other football powerhouses.

He was attending summer school, and asked his teacher to leave class and make a phone call, court papers said. Then Banks, a senior, ran into Gibson, a sophomore.

Banks said they fooled around, but that their sexual contact was consensual. His mother, Leomia Myers, believed him, and said she sold her condo and her car to pay for his defense.

“I knew I didn’t raise my son to do something so horrendous,” she said.

Gibson’s version shifted over the years. She could not be reached Thursday for comment.

Initially, court papers said, she told a classmate in a note containing misspellings: “he picked me up and put me in the elevator and he took me down stairs and he pulled my pants down and he rapped me and he didn’t have an condom on and I was a virgin now Im not.”

As the legal process wore on, Banks had a choice. He could take the he-said-she-said case to trial and, if he was convicted, risk being sentenced to 41 years to life in prison. Or, as his lawyer advised, he could accept a plea deal.

Banks pleaded no contest to one count of forcible rape. He was incarcerated for five years and, after his release, had to register as a sex offender.

Had Gibson not contacted Banks via Facebook, it’s unlikely their paths would have crossed again.

According to Banks and his private investigator, Gibson refused to tell prosecutors that she’d lied, lest she have to return the money she and her family had won in court. She also said she feared what her children would think of her, court papers said.

But based on the new evidence, the California Innocence Project took on Banks' case.

firefly
 
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Reply Fri 25 May, 2012 07:37 pm
@BillRM,
I am glad that this wrongfully accused and convicted man has finally been exonerated. What his accuser did to him is inexcusable.

But, no one "forced" a plea deal on him--he pled "no contest" on the advice of his attorney, it was a decision he chose to make in lieu of a trial. He did have the option of a trial available to him.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 25 May, 2012 07:46 pm
A serial date rapist is finally put behind bars...

Quote:
Serial rapist who thought he was "untouchable" jailed indefinitely

A former Army captain felt he was “untouchable” after police failed to prosecute him for two rapes and one sexual assault, leaving him free to go on and rape his fourth victim, a court heard yesterday.

By Victoria Ward
25 May 2012

Brian Witty, 41, was jailed indefinitely as a judge described him as a "demanding, frightening and determined rapist" who posed a very real danger to women.

The father of two was arrested and questioned after all three initial attacks but managed to escape charge for 16 years.

Judge Nicholas Price QC said that had he been successfully prosecuted at an earlier stage, Witty “may well have not have been free to commit these later serious offences.”

"Justice has been for too long delayed,” he said.

Lisa Longstaff, of Women Against Rape, condemned the police and the Crown Prosecution Service for failing to charge Witty until his fourth victim came forward.

"The fourth investigation was far better than the previous ones, witnesses who had been neglected were interviewed and evidence gathered," she said.

"This is what should happen every time rape is reported. It is a salutary lesson. People slapping themselves on the back now really need to look at the way things are done for the future."

Kingston Crown Court heard that Witty had attacked his first victim, a 24-year-old nanny, after meeting her in a pub in 1995.

When she rejected his advances, he jumped out of bed and said: “I don’t believe this, I’m a good looking bloke” before declaring that “no means yes” and raping her at his flat in South West London.

The woman reported the incident to police and Witty was questioned but claimed that the woman consented.

In 2006, he sexually assaulted a 25-year-old recruitment consultant in an alleyway in Covent Garden, London, after meeting her on a dating website, jurors heard.

Before the date, he emailed her to say it was her “lucky day” and promised her “all day laughter”. She too, reported the attack to the police but Witty was not charged.

Two years later, Witty met his third victim in a City bar, where he saw her “suggestively” eating chicken.

He raped her two days later at his riverside flat and again, Witty denied the allegations and escaped charge.

A thorough investigation was only launched when Witty, who served in the Parachute Regiment and later became a City financier, raped his fourth victim, a 42-year-old whom he met last year through datingdirect.com and arranged to meet at a pub in Teddington.

He was arrested after the woman fled from his flat “shaking and crying”. Police subsequently reinterviewed all three previous victims.

Judge Nicholas Price QC praised the four victims’ courage in coming forward to give evidence, nothing that the fact that no action had initially been taken “led inevitably to feelings of loss of self-worth and despair that they had not been believed”.

Sentencing Witty, who is originally from Hull, to a minimum of eight years imprisonment, he said it was clear he set out to prey on vulnerable women.

“You hid your base intent behind a veneer of charm which lulled each of your victims into a false sense of security,” the judge said.

“Each of them was beguiled into believing that with your military background and apparent social attributes, you were a gentleman and would behave as one.

“Each of your victims described in chilling evidence how you changed from being plausible and caring into a bullying, self-obsessed, arrogant sexual predator who was determined to indulge in fulfilling your sexual desires, irrespective and dismissive of their pleas that you should desist.”

Det Insp Michael Murfin of the Metropolitan Police described Witty as a “predatory rapist” and urged anyone who believes they may have been raped or sexually assaulted by him to contact the police in confidence.

Witty will only be released when the parole board considers he no longer poses a risk.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9290998/Serial-rapist-who-thought-he-was-untouchable-jailed-indefinitely.html
wmwcjr
 
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Reply Fri 25 May, 2012 08:39 pm
@firefly,
I wonder who will post next. Wink
wmwcjr
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2012 06:37 pm
@wmwcjr,
No one?

Has BillRM finally given up?

Time will tell.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2012 07:30 pm
@wmwcjr,
I doubt it. That's too much for hope for. Laughing

He's only interested in false accusations, not actual crimes of rape.
wmwcjr
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2012 10:12 pm
@firefly,
Well, let the band play on; and send in the clowns! Laughing

Gotta admire you for your perseverance.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2012 04:08 am
@wmwcjr,
I am also very very interest in the drive to be able to charge men with rape when the adult repeat adult woman go out and get herself voluntary under the influence of either of alcohol or drugs and then regret having sex the next day or the next week or the next year for that matter.

So any woman who go out partying of her own few will, at her whim, can charge any of her sexual partners with rape.

Rape would no longer depend on the actions of the man but the feelings of the woman after the event and that is crazy to say the least.

Adults are held responsible for their actions under the voluntary influence of drugs and or alcohol but for women having sex it would seems.

Holding a woman responsible for getting into a car and driving is fine but not for laying down and spreading her legs to a sexual partner.

By that logic we should never charge a woman with DUI as long as there is a man anywhere near that we can assign the duty to had stop her from driving under the influence.

izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2012 04:26 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

I am also very very interest in the drive to be able to charge men with rape when the adult repeat adult woman go out and get herself voluntary under the influence of either of alcohol or drugs and then regret having sex the next day or the next week or the next year for that matter.


Welcome to the world of Bill. A world where men never take advantage of drunk women and viewing child pornography is a victimless crime.

A real man, as opposed to some slobbering semi-literate creep like you, would never take advantage of someone who is so far gone they cannot give consent. If you were to do that, you'd never get laid.
stucky
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 12:00 am
@firefly,
waoo what a wonderful theme and i really plan to do so
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 12:06 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
A real man, as opposed to some slobbering semi-literate creep like you, would never take advantage of someone who is so far gone they cannot give consent.


Drunken and stoned sex romps are one of the supreme joys that makes life worth living. **** the government and their anal joy killing requirements for legal sex. They have become as skilled as the church at ruining sex, they thus deserve to be ignored just as the church is now ignored on such topics.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 01:52 am
@hawkeye10,
Drunken sex romps are one thing, taking advantage of someone who is so far gone they cannot give consent is something else entirely. Bill will not contemplate this ever happening.

I'm English, we'd all be virgins if it weren't for alcohol.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 02:14 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
I'm English, we'd all be virgins if it weren't for alcohol.


All you men would be criminals, and all your women would be your victims, if the American feminist program on sexual regulation is ever is fully instituted there.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 03:01 am
@BillRM,
Coming in late, but you know how I love to eventually get involved in these discussions but seriously?

Quote:
The failure was in not in investigating the claims of an 11 years old girl closely enough to detect that she was lying n the first place.


She is 11... Whilst I get what you are saying... all kids lie.. Sure if this is the case it's wrong but then the "police are dads"..

Quote:
But then we are not suppose to question the words of a "victim" no matter what as women/girls do not lied about rape even those the few studies we do have show otherwise.


This is the biggest problem.. 90% of victims do not come forward.. There is no question about that.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 03:23 am
@hawkeye10,
That is the biggest load of bollocks I've ever heard.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 03:24 am
@FOUND SOUL,
FOUND SOUL wrote:
This is the biggest problem.. 90% of victims do not come forward.. There is no question about that.


Exactly, but you're arguing with two sexual preditors whose only concern is their pursuit of pleasure.
 

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