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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 29 Feb, 2012 10:52 am
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DNA technology finally vindicates rape victim 20 years later
GMT 29 Feb 2012

A rape victim who was spat at, beaten up and bullied over supposedly false allegations has finally seen her attacker face justice 20 years on thanks to advances in DNA technology.

The girl, who was just 13 at the time of the attack, was subjected to a hate campaign while vile Harry Davey enjoyed his freedom.

Publican Davey, 65, had twice denied raping the girl at his farm in 1992 and, even in April last year when he was re-arrested, he refuted the findings that identified him as the perpetrator.

He was finally brought to justice after West Yorkshire Police conducted a cold case review and was sentenced to six years and eight months in prison on Monday.

Tests had proved inconclusive at the time and Davey was released without charge but after going through the most traumatic experience of her life, the young girl was then spat at in the street and physically attacked after word had got round about the assault.

Leeds Crown Court heard the girl, who cannot be named for legal reasons, had gone to Davey's land in Bradford, West Yorks., to help a family friend feed pigs and was allowed to ride horses there, as were other girls.

Sophie Drake, prosecuting, said the victim was taken into the defendant's house thinking his wife was at home. They were in the living room when he grabbed her and committed the crime.

Miss Drake said: "She bumped into a friend afterwards and told her what had happened. Despite being sworn to secrecy her friend told her mother."

Word got back to the victim's mum and Davey was arrested and interviewed, denying all of the charges. Forensic testing proved inconclusive and he was released without charge.

A victim impact statement read to the court detailed the horrors that the young girl was subjected to including being slapped by the defendant's then wife and being attacked by other girls who also used Davey's horses. She was also bullied at school and had to leave home while her own mother did not believe her.

Police re-opened the cold case last year and, using advances in forensics, Davey, of Bradford, was arrested again. He denied any sexual contact but finally admitted the crime at his hearing on Monday.

Mitigating, Richard Gioserano said Davey had pleaded guilty and spared his victim the trauma of having to come to court.

Sentencing Davey, Recorder Bernard Gateshill said: "Your young victim spent 20 years thinking that you had got away with raping her.

"You have clearly ruined her life. To this day she is mentally scarred by the experience that you inflicted upon her.

"The reality is you have escaped justice for 20 years and your victim has had to wait 20 years for an acknowledgement that you wronged her."

Davey will be on licence when he is released and was also ordered to sign the sex offenders register for life.

After the case, Det Insp Howard Atkin, of West Yorkshire Police's Major Investigation Review Team, said: "Harry Davey is a dangerous individual who in 1992 took advantage of a position of trust to subject his 13-year-old victim to a serious sexual assault.

"Until now he probably thought he had evaded punishment for these crimes. This was wrong.

"Determined and tireless work by detectives in partnership with the Forensic Science Service has meant that he has finally been brought to justice.

"The destructive impact of his offending upon the victim simply cannot be imagined, and she has had to live with this for a very long time.

"I would like to pay tribute to the victim and her family in this case who have shown great courage and resolve and have supported the prosecution throughout. Justice, release and closure have finally been delivered to them.

"This conviction shows once again that there is no hiding place for criminals. Our message is clear - there is no time limit on justice."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9112400/DNA-technology-finally-vindicates-rape-victim-20-years-later.html
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 24 Mar, 2012 05:24 am
So must for the Canadian gang rape story at the rave.

Another likely case of a woman/girl falsely crying rape it would seems to explain to her family the video of her having group sex!!!!!!!!!

Too bad the Canadian authorities are not likely to released details of so embarrassing a case so we could know for sure that is what had occur.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/02/21/bc-rave-rape-charges-stayed.html

B.C. rave rape charges stayed
Only man charged in alleged gang rape of teen goes free
CBC News Posted: Feb 21, 2012 1:57 PM PT Last Updated: Feb 21, 2012 2:31 PM PT
Police have maintained that about half a dozen men were involved in the sexual assault of a 16-year-old girl at a rural B.C. rave in September 2010. (RCMP) Facebook
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Crown prosecutors have dropped charges against the only man accused of sexual assault at a notorious Pitt Meadows, B.C., rave, the man’s lawyer says.

Colton McMorris, 19, was accused of assaulting a girl, 16, at a party in September 2010, while a young offender was charged with posting pictures of the incident — described at the time as a gang rape — on the internet.

Another man, Dennis John Allen Warrington, 19, was charged with distributing child pornography.

Lawyer Tony Serka said the Crown admitted in Port Coquitlam provincial court Tuesday that it did not have a strong enough case against McMorris to proceed with a trial.

"There wasn't any substantial likelihood of conviction from the start of this case," Serka said outside the courtroom.

There wasn't a gang rape, in fact. And [McMorris's] family is happy, not because my client is getting off something that he did, but that he was innocent and they believed him and everybody who knew him believed his innocence right from the start.”Police said during their initial investigation that as many as half a dozen men may have been involved in the assault and that the victim had been drugged.

Conflicting accounts
McMorris did nothing wrong and accompanied the complainant and her friends to McDonald's after the party, Serka said.

Serka said the charges have ruined his client's reputation: "That can never be erased. That can never be taken away."

After McMorris and Warrington were charged in January, the alleged victim released a statement through police, calling the September incident and the aftermath a “terrible ordeal.”

Her family released a statement at the same time.

"We are pleased to hear of Crown approving charges against these men," the statement read. "There has never been any doubt in our minds that our daughter was sexually assaulted.”

In January, the young offender who posted the pictures on Facebook was sentenced to one year's probation.

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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 24 Mar, 2012 11:24 am
There is no evidence, whatsoever, of any "false allegation" in the rave party gang rape case. From the outset, the RCMP have had difficulty obtaining information from witnesses because of a "code of silence" that has shielded the attackers, and that's what has stymied the ability of law enforcement to prosecute this case.
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“Code of silence” in rape case in Pitt Meadows is shameful
Globe and Mail
Feb. 26, 2012

Where are the young people with moral courage in Pitt Meadows, B.C.?

It is a disturbing spectacle when a teenage victim of a gang rape feels impelled to step forward at a news conference, with her father, to plead for someone to tell the truth about what happened to her. The RCMP say that up to 12 people witnessed the attacks at a rave on Sept. 10, 2010, on a rural property east of Vancouver, but that a “code of silence” protects the attackers. Is the victim the only young person with courage in Pitt Meadows?

The young are not excused from the obligation to report crime and stand up for law, and against brutality. They have a duty to protect their world, present and future, much the same way as adults do. The police don’t act in a vacuum. They can’t be everywhere. Law isn’t some nebulous thing maintained in books or courtrooms. Where ordinary people turn a blind eye to violence, out of physical fear or worry about being ostracized, or simply because they are misguided, they clear the way for criminals and thugs to rule. At the extreme, that passivity and non-involvement lead to fascism. Democracy cannot function when people don’t stand up for law.

RCMP investigating officers have said publicly that they have seen cellphone photos taken of the attacks (some of the images were posted, with horrifying cruelty, online) and that there is no doubt the gang rape took place. Yet, 18 months later, the only sexual charge filed in the case was stayed last week because of a lack of evidence. The girl’s family says she was bullied when she returned to school, and had to leave the school.

Her father said, “At some point in your life, you will have to explain, perhaps to your own kids, to do what’s right in life. And it’s never too late to do that.” What sort of world do the young people of Pitt Meadows expect to live in, raise their own children in? A world in which some may hurt others with impunity? And how do these young people propose to control the inevitable violence, to make sure it doesn’t touch them or their children?

A world in which the young lack courage is not a promising one.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/editorials/code-of-silence-in-rape-case-in-pitt-meadows-is-shameful/article2349440/?utm_medium=Feeds%3A%20RSS%2FAtom&utm_source=Opinions&utm_content=2349440

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Another likely case of a woman/girl falsely crying rape it would seems to explain to her family the video of her having group sex!!!!!!!!!

Anyone who thinks that young teenage women freely and knowingly consent to "group sex" with strangers, in public places, with a crowd watching, photographing and videotaping the event, has obviously been watching too much porn and cannot distinguish fantasy from reality.
This is not normal consenting sexual behavior on the part of a female, nor is it normal for young males to participate in public sex in this manner. To try to reframe such a situation as consenting "group sex" is absurd, and the epitome of rape denial.

It is shameful that the RCMP could not adequately investigate and prosecute this case because the people who witnessed this event chose to protect the attackers rather than uphold the law.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 24 Mar, 2012 11:48 am
@firefly,
Let see there was a video repeat video and by others reports three witnesses that the police stated did come forward. God alone know how many police manpower the Canadian police spend on this case also.

Yet the one guy that they did go after there was not enough evidence to go forward with a case and he and the so call victim of this so call gang rape went to a fast food place together in a group right after the Rave!!!!!!!

The young people who also knew her and some who had even seen the forbidden video did not give her story any credit at all and stated so online.

Footnote the last time there was a claim witnesses code of silent it concern a so call gang rape and was directed at the Duke team members not being willing to testify about a rape that in fact never happen

By Occam's razor the likelihood of this is just another case of a female crying rape to cover up her own actions is very high indeed.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 24 Mar, 2012 12:15 pm
@firefly,
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Anyone who thinks that young teenage women freely and knowingly consent to "group sex" with strangers, in public places, with a crowd watching, photographing and videotaping the event, has obviously been watching too much porn


Would you like me to post cases where young girls indeed had group sex in the open with a number of men and then cry rape?

It had indeed happen.............

Let me see if a fast google search will turn up an example or more....

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=299880.0;wap2

Initially, Ndonye told police that she was gang-raped early the morning of Sept. 13 after a man she was dancing with at a party stole her cell phone, then lured her into a bathroom in Estabrook Hall, where his friends were waiting. She told police that five men used a rope to tie her in a stall and raped her.

Four men - Bedward, Stan Felipe, 19, and Jesus Ortiz, 19, all of the Bronx, and Kevin Taveras, 20, of Brentwood - were arrested and arraigned on charges of first-degree rape. Authorities still were seeking a fifth man when the case took a marked turn.

On Sept. 14, the district attorney's office learned that a video of part of the bathroom incident might exist.

On Sept. 16, prosecutors who were interviewing the young woman told her that the incident may have been videotaped. She soon admitted that sex with the men had been consensual.

Within hours, charges against Bedward, Felipe, Ortiz and Taveras were dropped and they were released from jail.

After Ndonye recanted her story, Hofstra officials suspended her pending an internal judicial process.

With Alfonso A. Castillo

'Gang rape' woman admits she lied
source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/lancashire/8082765.stm
A woman has admitted falsely accusing three men of raping her after video footage on a mobile phone disproved her claims.

Victoria Salter pleaded guilty to perverting the course of justice at Preston Crown Court on Wednesday.

The 26-year-old's false allegations of rape led to three men being arrested. But one of the men filmed the incident and provided mobile phone evidence.

Det Insp Marc Nasser said the allegations were "malicious".

She made false report in September, when she said she had been followed home by four men, three raped her while the fourth watched.

firefly
 
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Reply Sat 24 Mar, 2012 06:00 pm
@BillRM,
No, neither of those cases took place in a public totally open area, with a crowd of strangers/witnesses standing around photographing and videotaping the event as though it were a form of entertainment--the only people present in those cases were directly involved in the sexual activity.

And, as been mentioned numerous times in this thread, the young woman in the Hofstra incident was found to be mentally disturbed, which is why the DA declined to press any charges. Your constantly re-posting the same material is quite tedious, particularly when it is irrelevant.

In the two cases you posted, video-taped evidence exonerated the men involved, but in the rave party incident in Canada, the video-tapes incriminated the men involved. That's another very significant major difference you are choosing to ignore.

The teenager involved in the rave party incident was apparently drugged and/or drunk, and the RCMP said they had no doubt that the images they viewed of the incident documented a gang rape. Because of her intoxicated state, the girl did not recall the event the next day and she was shocked to see the images of what happened to her posted on the internet. There was never a question of a false allegation in this case. From the very outset, the RCMP complained of a "code of silence" which hampered their investigation and attempts at prosecution.

If you think that normal unimpaired high school girls are taking part in fully consensual group sex in open public places, with crowds of strangers standing around watching and taking photos and videos, you are out of your mind. Not only are you watching too much porn, and confusing it with reality, you are apparently watching child porn to boot.

BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 24 Mar, 2012 10:46 pm
@firefly,
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No, neither of those cases took place in a public totally open area, with a crowd of strangers/witnesses standing around


A bathroom that is open to the public is hardly any more private then a dark part of a field at night!!!!!!!!

In any case we surely do have women that are also more then willing to do group sex with others/strangers watching.

At sex clubs there are women and men more then willing to have group sex in open areas with strangers where other strangers are watching and not that long ago two FBI agents married to each other was found to be at a sex/swinger club and lost their jobs because of it.

Sorry some small percents of women will indeed have group sex in such a situations and the one we are talking about seems to be one of those women and it only became rape when she needed to explained to dad about her staring role in the video.

So your attempt to spin the idea that no woman would have group sex in public is pitiful indeed.

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If you think that normal unimpaired high school girls are taking part in fully consensual group sex


By the way who said that I consider this girl/woman normal as in or near the middle of the bell curve as far as female sexuality is concern????????!!!!!????

She is likely to be many SD units from the normal bell curve in that regard and also without any conscious as far as being willing to throw innocent men under the bus by falsely claiming rape.
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 24 Mar, 2012 11:02 pm
@BillRM,
That rave party situation was a gang rape, but, you, of course, are better informed than the RCMP who actually viewed the images of the event and said there is no question it was a gang rape.

Bye, BillRM. Go back to talking to yourself. Laughing


hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 24 Mar, 2012 11:05 pm
@firefly,
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That rave party situation was a gang rape, but, you, of course, are better informed than the RCMP who actually viewed the images of the event and said there is no question it was a gang rape
Which might only mean that she has been deemed to be under the influence and so her right to consent has been removed. She may well have wanted the sex, and tried to consent for it, we dont know.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 24 Mar, 2012 11:23 pm
@firefly,
Yes Firefly and yet those same police with this video in hand could not make a case against anyone raping this young lady!!!!!!!

Oh yes a code of silent where expert police interviewers could not get teenagers to come clean over this claimed gang rape!

They must be the most lacking in abilities of any police investigators/interviewers in the history of law enforcement.

Seems this is the same or similar to the complains about a code of silent in the Duke case where the police stated that the team had a code of silent concerning that so call rape case.


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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2012 04:06 am
@firefly,
Below is the same kind of statements by the police/DA in the Duke players case as the Canadian police are issuing in this case.

All those police man hours and a video in hand and the police are crying about a so call code of silent of teenagers stopping them from making a case against anyone.

Those teenagers must indeed be remarkable with all the pressure the police are likely placing on the so call witnesses to this so call rape to be able to maintain this silent.

Not even mob members are able to maintain such a tight code of silent!

History seems to repeat itself when the police can not get the statements they would be happy with from witnesses.


http://www.ajr.org/article.asp?id=4379


Nifong showed no such restraint, accusing the players of hiding behind "this stone wall of silence." He told CNN, "t just seems like a shame that they are not willing to violate this seeming sacred sense of loyalty to team for loyalty to community." In reality, the co-captains had voluntarily given statements and taken DNA tests; they also offered to take polygraph tests.

Nevertheless, some in the media seized on Nifong's statements as gospel. A popular early theme for columnists was excoriating the players--in pieces often laden with a presumption of guilt--for their alleged conspiracy of silence. "There's something disgustingly wrong when a Duke University men's lacrosse team...puts some skewed code of silence ahead of telling Durham, N.C., police everything they know," Johnette Howard, a sports columnist at Newsday, wrote March 31. Howard asserted that "not one" of the players "has broken ranks and spoken to investigators about what happened at the house that night. The code is that strong."

New York Times columnist Selena Roberts railed against the "code of silence" that same day, declaring, "At the intersection of entitlement and enablement, there is Duke University, virtuous on the outside, debauched on the inside...a group of privileged players of fine pedigree entangled in a night that threatens to belie their social standing
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2012 01:12 am
@BillRM,
for Bill

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LONGVIEW, Wash. – A woman who said she lied as an 11-year-old when she said her father raped her won't be prosecuted for her testimony, which sent him to prison for more than nine years


Prosecutor Sue Baur said charging Cassandra Ann Kennedy of Longview might discourage others who might have lied in similar situations from coming forward to tell the truth. She noted, however, that it was simply a case of a person withdrawing their story - not an indictment of the system.

"Unfortunately, a man spent 10 years in prison before that happened," the prosecutor said.

Now 23, Kennedy said guilt prompted her to tell police that she lied in 2001 when she lived in Kalama, The Daily News reported Sunday ( http://is.gd/3F53OU).

"I did a horrible thing," Kennedy told detectives in January, according to a police report. "It's not OK."

Her father, Thomas Edward Kennedy, denied the rape allegation but was sentenced in 2002 to more than 15 years in prison. Now 43, he was released last week and all charges against him were dismissed. Reached Friday by the newspaper, he declined to comment, saying he's simply trying to get on with his life.

In recent months, Cassandra Kennedy has been staying at Mountain Ministries, a Christian addiction treatment center. Gary Miller, the organization's director, said she was in Mexico doing missionary work and couldn't be reached.

She told detectives this year that she wanted to talk about her father's conviction, according to investigative reports.

Kennedy told police her father never touched her. For nearly a decade, she said, he had been sitting in prison based on her lies.

"I just want him to be out and freed," Kennedy said in her interview with detectives. Then, she said, "I will be free on the inside."

Kennedy said she got the idea of setting up her father from a friend whose stepfather was sent to prison for a child sex crime.

"I thought that is what I would do to make my dad go away," she told police.

Thomas Kennedy and his wife divorced around 1991, and their daughters, Cassandra and her older sister, began spending one weekend a month with their father, according to court documents. The girls slept on foam mattresses in the living room of Kennedy's home.

"I wanted him to love me, and I didn't think he did at that time," she told the detectives.

Kennedy said she made up the rape story largely because her father disappointed her. "I took my own vengeance," she told police

The jury convicted Thomas Kennedy of three counts of first-degree rape of a child and the conviction had been upheld on appeal.

Read more here: http://www.theolympian.com/2012/04/02/2054406/rape-lie-recanted-kalama-man-freed.html#storylink=cpy
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2012 05:34 am
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye as Firefly would say it no big deal as it just a man who was harm not a woman and we can not be a hundred percents sure he did not in fact rape his daughter after all even now.

I am worry about my three grandsons as they reach the age of sexual activities in this society that the Fireflies of the world are creating.

We surely need to press back hard for the benefits of the coming generations of males and the women who love them for that matter.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2012 05:54 am
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye I was visiting my now wife when her house alarm was accidentally set off and the police responded.

Being the only male in the house at the time they look at me oddly and placed themselves between me and the women.

Now there was no one upset or any other indications that there had been any kind of disagreements going on inside the home and yet as a male I was assume to be some kind of possible dangerous to my now wife and her two daughters.

Once they let we all commented on their behaviors and I wonder out loud if my now wife had still been on blood thinners and was cover with black and blue marks due to that medication if I would had been taken to jail no matter what the three women would had said.

The whole society is joining Firefly in becoming androphobia.


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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2012 10:51 am
@BillRM,
The word of one female can now put a man in prison, and the word of one female can get a man out......this I am sure gives FIREFLY orgasims.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2012 12:08 pm
@hawkeye10,
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The word of one female can now put a man in prison, and the word of one female can get a man out......this I am sure gives FIREFLY orgasims.


Only the part about putting a man in prison is likely to give Firefly orgasms as somehow I do not think that Firefly care for a woman to had the power to get a man out of prison only to place him into prison.

In fact men are being jail even if the woman stated that he did not harm her such as might had been the case for me if the house alarm had gone off a few months earlier and my then girlfriend would had been found cover by black and blue marks.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2012 01:02 pm
@BillRM,
Did you notice that this female who caused gross injustice to be done to a man will receive no punishment at all for her bad act??

I know.....nothing new there so far as American "justice" goes.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2012 01:34 pm
@hawkeye10,
To be fair she was 11 at the time however not punishing the female or at most just slapping her on the wrist is the way almost all false charges is deal with in the US.

Had taken note that women had been locked up for a few years in similar situations in the UK however.




hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2012 04:05 pm
@BillRM,
That is not the reason that the state claims she should not be dealt with, it is that they don't want to discourage women comming forwards to say that their lies are the reason that a man is in prison. Just how many men does the state figure are currrently suffering from this particular failure of the justice system I would like to know. And I suppect like me you think that the real criminal act is not this 11 year old girl using the "justice" system to get rid of a male that she had a grudge against, it is that this unjust state allowed her to get away with it then and still allows her to get away with it.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2012 05:13 pm
@hawkeye10,
The failure was in not in investigating the claims of an 11 years old girl closely enough to detect that she was lying n the first place.

But then we are not suppose to question the words of a "victim" no matter what as women/girls do not lied about rape even those the few studies we do have show otherwise.

 

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