Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

She says, blissfully unaware that we allowing the state to hammer alleged perps 30 years after the alleged event is proof of our lack of allegiance to justice.....

Quite the opposite. It displays allegiance to gaining justice for the victims of these horrible crimes.

Rapists, like this one, are brought to justice--they are charged, and prosecuted, and, in this case, convicted by a jury--they are held accountable for their actions. That's justice. He received due process.

He's been convicted, so it is no longer an "alleged event". Jurors are the finders of fact in the legal process. He's a convicted rapist.

The shame is that he was free for the last 30 years.

Justice is predicated upon evidence, not upon your desire for a pound of flesh everytime someone claims to be a victim....30 year old evidence is not sound, we should be ashamed of ourselves for allowing this travesty of justice.

The jurors were convinced....that is how the system operates.

Throw a pity party for a pedophile who raped 6 children and managed to avoid arrest for decades. I wouldn't expect you to do anything else.

You're a bleeding heart for pedophiles, rapists, child pornographers....mainly because you identify with them.

Fortunately, other than your stooge, BillRM, no one really cares what you think.

I dont accept the pronouncements of the American "Justice"system as valid, as I deem the system to be corrupted by the police state in violation of the Constitution......do you not follow my argument at all? \


You pray that this is true, because should you ever be forced to defend this "justice" system you would immediately find yourself up **** creek.

LOL when a man is clear by a jury of rape you do not accept his likely innocent but when someone is found guilty of an event that is 30 years in the past we should not question how the hell you offer proof beyond a reasonable doubt and have a jury find him guilty?

Something does not smell right about that story to say the least and I am wondering how I would/could mount a defense of a charge by my former step daughter that I had not even seen since 1982.

Seems insane on it face.

And you're also too stupid to realize that this case is in Britain.

You don't carefully read, let alone really reflect on, anything that is posted. You just want to keep chanting your own warped and deviant views about sparing rapists, child pornographers and pedophiles from punishment. You are a bleeding heart for other deviants because you identify with them.

All countries have laws against rape and sexual assault, and those who violate such laws are brought to justice and held accountable for their acts. And nowhere on earth are these crimes regarded lightly. The purpose of the laws, and punishments, is to stop such behavior.

Your sense of morality, or lack of it, deviates markedly from the values of most people on the planet which is why no one, except your stooge, BillRM, regards your opinions on these matters with any degree of seriousness.

Do I follow your argument? I follow it, but, since it is founded on your own warped premises, that renders your conclusions meaningless. Democratically passed criminal laws reflect the moral values of a society and define those behaviors that are deemed unacceptable within that society. Because you personally don't like laws prohibiting rape, sexual assaults, and child pornography, does not mean that democratic and lawful societies, which have such laws, constitute a "police state" nor are you the interpreter of what "violates the Constitution"--laws against rape, sexual assault, and child pornography are not in violation of the Constitution, but, of course, you consider yourself more of an authority on these Constitutional matters than the U.S. Supreme Court.
So, since your basic premises are seriously flawed, your alleged "argument" is without merit, which is why it is not regarded seriously.

You whine about criminal laws the way adolescents whine about parental restrictions. You've just never grown up and matured emotionally, and you can't see beyond your own self interest.

This is exactly the same argument that favors giving any rapist a reduced sentence in a plea deal--it does help to spare victims from testifying, in addition to saving the state money, and it gives the defendant a lighter sentence than he would receive if convicted at trial. The defendant always has the option of a trial, but, offering a lighter sentence in return for a guilty plea, also gives the defendant another option he might view as preferable. And judges can, and sometimes do, also impose lighter sentences than the prosecution has requested for a variety of reasons, including the one given by the judge in this case.

Hopefully, this investigation will allow law enforcement to finally close these rape cases, and allow the victims to know that their rapist is already behind bars and not likely to ever walk the streets again.

This is quite a thread and I realize that I'm coming to the party late, but I must say that I personally knew both the father & the teenage child involved in the case quoted in the below (LaPorte, Indiana man in the Utica, MI news article).

This man was convicted and is currently serving time in prison and will be for many years. In this situation, the rape was truly more in the definition of incest, however, it took a far greater perversion, because the father used his position of authority over the teenager to brainwash and manipulate her. He manipulated her to such an extent that as a minor, she was a "willing" participant (to the extent that she "thought" she wanted the relationship too, even though he had manipulated her into believing this)... He even brainwashed her to such an extent that she believed he was going to leave his current wife (her step mother), and marry her - his own daughter. I would suggest he was (is) so mentally unsound that he had convinced himself of the same. Sick and twisted.

Now, this man has been completely removed from this girl's life, and while I won't say she was completely sound to begin with (as those insecurities are what put her in the position to be vulnerable to his exploits & manipulations), she is now completely numb and drawn into a life where she has lessened her own self-worth through multiple cheap relationships with young men her own age. She is now of legal age, and has taken advantage of that liberty to exercise promiscuity in an obvious effort to mask her pain.

I don't call this rape. It's incest. However, it is just as horrendous - just from a different angle. One might say that the girl "asked" to get raped, referencing back to the title of this forum... but I would suggest it is from the twisted manipulation of someone in a position of power over her.

Anyone who has been a parent of a teenager knows what poppycock this claim of brainwashing is, but we are so seeped in victim culture that we will not admit it.



or alternatively, now that she has been forcibly deprived of what she wants she goes out and finds something to get her through the day.



Obviously there must be someone to blame, as there is no way in hell that a female would ever want to be taken in hand and ravished without her consent if she was of sound mind....* sarcasm*

But how do you explain Rihanna going back to play with Chris Brown? Her career is going much better than his is, she does not need him or any man for anything, no man has power over her unless she really wants him. Where is the force being applied by Brown?

I am thinking of Woody Allen and his now wife and former step daughter after reading your posting.

The only different is that he was not the biology father even those he help raise her from infanthood and no one was able to prove he touch her sexuality one day before she turn 18 years old.

The last I hear the relationship seems to be working out so was his now wife a victim of rape or not?

So, you now condone incest?

LOL I love how Firefly drill to the moral point in question however incest between adults should be plenty must a private matter between the parties.

After all such a system ended up producing Cleopatra after a numbers of generations of brothers and sisters incest.

One hell of a woman and a ruler to say the least.

Still such couples would be wise to have a full screening of their family genes before even thinking of producing children.

Firefly now we are finding that some new medical testings of infants had a side effect of revealing cases of incests I bet there will be ten of thousands of new sex criminals reveal for you to demand to be place in prison every year or even more.

What to bet that when this kind of test become a common part of screening of new borns and not just a test done on some infants with known problems that we will find that incest is far far more common then anyone had assume up to this point in the population Firefly?

We will need to build more and more prisons.

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http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2011/feb/13/dna-testing-reveals-incest-poses-dilemma-for/

DNA testing reveals incest, poses dilemma for doctors
comment share email print font size New York Times News Service Houston doctors are reporting that the newest generation of DNA testing, now in wide use, is revealing many previously missed incest cases that raise difficult legal and ethical questions.

In a letter in the British medical journal The Lancet on Saturday, Baylor College of Medicine geneticists advise hospitals to begin grappling with the issues that arise from the testing, which unexpectedly can show a patient was conceived through so-called "first-degree" familial relationships -- father-daughter, mother-son or brother-sister.

"Hospitals that work with this sort of testing need to become more familiar with dealing with these kind of situations because they're going to be seeing them more often," Dr. Arthur Beaudet, Baylor's chairman of molecular and human genetics and one of the letter's authors, said in an interview. "We hope our letter will jump-start the process by which institutions put together guidelines."

Beaudet wrote in the letter that "clinicians uncovering a likely incestuous relationship may be legally required to report it to child protection services and, potentially, law enforcement officials" since the pregnancy might have occurred "in the setting of sexual abuse."

The letter was prompted by a Baylor laboratory's discoveries that developmental disorders in a number of pediatric patients were caused by incestuous relations not previously disclosed to doctors.

The testing is done to find the disorder's genetic basis, typically involving mutations, deletions or duplications. But large blocks of identical DNA are evidence the child's parentage involved first-degree relatives.

Children born to first-degree relatives have a developmental disability about half the time, said Beaudet.

Beaudet said the test is now being used by the nation's 20 to 30 largest medical centers. These centers and private labs routinely get blood samples shipped to them for testing.

Sex between first-degree relatives is illegal throughout the country, though it is a misdemeanor in Texas and rarely reported when both parties are adults.

Though doctors are required to report suspicions of child abuse, Beaudet said, their obligations are less clear when the mother is an adult and protected by doctor-patient confidentiality.

A committee of Baylor, Texas Children's Hospital and Ben Taub General Hospital representatives is almost finished crafting a policy about the issues raised. Chairwoman Amy McGuire, a bioethicist, said these issues include consent, results disclosure and reporting.

McGuire said she had not previously heard discussion of the issue among her counterparts, but she dismissed the idea the issues raised are new.

"Certainly, the concept of incest gets people a little on edge," said McGuire. "But we do a lot of diagnostic tests that have the potential to show possible evidence of child abuse, the most dramatic ethical issue raised by this testing's occasional discoveries of incest."

Between adults and those 15 and under no, otherwise I dont care much about it so long as it is between willing participants. Furthermore I dont think that the state should butt in.

Hawkeye Firefly wish to be the sex czar of this nation and only sex acts she approve of and preform in a manner she approve of by people she approve of should be legal.

You should be behind bars and your wife should be in a force reconditioning program in the Firefly universe.

I should be behind bars not because of my very in the middle of the bell curve sex life as a married man but because I do not happen to agree with Firefly that you should be behind bars, or a young man who go out drinking with a young lady who regret having had sex the next day should be behind bars.

The funnies thing is that I would bet a large amount of money that our friend who wish deep in her heart to be the sex czar is a virgin.

http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/1314185

Do you remember this monster?

Or:-

HARTFORD, Conn. — A girl who vanished a year ago and was found hidden in a room in a man's home assumed a new identity that made her part of his family, authorities said today, as they investigated whether he had inappropriate relationships with her and other girls.

The man, Adam Gault, 41, was arrested and charged Wednesday in her disappearance after police served a search warrant and found the missing 15-year-old girl locked in a hidden closet-like room in his house. The girl, who had a history of running away from home, vanished a year ago.

Gault, a dog trainer, was arrested with two women who lived in the house, 40-year-old Ann Murphy and Kimberly Cray, 26. The three were arraigned today, charged with conspiracy to commit unlawful restraint, conspiracy to commit risk of injury to a minor and interfering with police.

Gault's bond was set at $1 million. Murphy, who police described as Gault's common-law wife, was held on $750,000 bond. Cray's bond was set at $500,000. It was unclear if Gault had a lawyer.

Cray's attorney, Michael Georgetti, told reporters that before the girl disappeared, she reported to police she had been sexually abused, though he said no arrests were made.

Georgetti did not say who he believed had sexually abused the girl. He said Cray and the others were offering her a safe haven.

She lived in Gault's house for a year, attending school, and owned a cell phone, Georgetti said. He said that she was hiding from police Wednesday but was otherwise free to come and go.

"If you were taking actions to prevent someone from being abused, that is not a crime," Georgetti said. "We can protect animals from abuse. I think we should be able to protect children from abuse."

But West Hartford police Capt. Lori Coppinger said the girl was not attending school and disputed Georgetti's claim that the teen had been offered safe haven.

"Information that we have would lead us in another direction as to what her welfare was at this time," she said.

Investigators believe the girl sometimes traveled out of state and assumed a new identity while living with Gault, of nearby West Hartford, Bloomfield Police Capt. Jeffrey Blatter said.

"She was compelled to use a new name, to assume a new identity," Blatter told The Associated Press. "She did assume a name that would suggest she was part of that family."

Other girls may have experienced "something very similar to what's going on right now with this young girl" found Wednesday, Coppinger said. Police said Gault was associated with at least two or three other girls before police found the girl Wednesday.

The cases involving the other girls have not been prosecuted because the frightened girls were reluctant to give statements necessary to pursue the cases. Police said they will be interviewed and additional charges may be filed against Gault.

"The case is definitely ongoing," Blatter said. "There are obviously greater suspicions that are being pursued."

The girl's stepfather told WCBS-TV in an interview today that her mother had been allowed to spend a few hours with her Wednesday.

"She's having some issues," Hesse said of the girl. "She didn't even know who she was."

He said family members, who own a kennel and dog day care in Bloomfield, had limited information about what had happened to the girl in the year she was gone.

"We're just as much in the dark as everybody else is right now," said the stepfather.

The teen had no obvious external injuries. Investigators would not speculate on what she might have experienced during the past year or if she was held against her will.

Blatter said the girl remained in protective custody today so investigators could continue talking with her.

Police said they had already established that Gault knew the missing girl, and said he and the girl's parents had some sort of undisclosed business transaction in the year before she disappeared.

Cell phone records showed that Gault and the teen talked often before she vanished, Blatter told CNN.

"There was an inordinate amount of contact via cellular phone and then, during follow ups, there were a lot of other circumstances that led us to believe there was an inappropriate relationship," he said.

Officers had questioned Gault several times, but he always denied any involvement in her disappearance. They served a search warrant on his home Wednesday morning, seeking a DNA sample and other evidence.

The girl was held in a locked tiny room, about 3 feet high and 4 to 5 feet deep. The doorway was hidden by a bureau.

Blatter said it did not appear the girl lived in the hidden room, and that police did not find bedding or other items that would suggest it was used as living space.

A 16-year-old boy identified in court documents as Murphy's son was also living at the house. He was placed in the custody of the state Department of Children and Families, which also will decide if the missing girl should be returned to her parents
Other girls may have experienced "something very similar to what's going on right now with this young girl" found Wednesday, Coppinger said. Police said Gault was associated with at least two or three other girls before police found the girl Wednesday.

The cases involving the other girls have not been prosecuted because the frightened girls were reluctant to give statements necessary to pursue the cases. Police said they will be interviewed and additional charges may be filed against Gault.

"The case is definitely ongoing," Blatter said. "There are obviously greater suspicions that are being pursued."

The girl's stepfather told WCBS-TV in an interview today that her mother had been allowed to spend a few hours with her Wednesday.

"She's having some issues," Hesse said of the girl. "She didn't even know who she was."

He said family members, who own a kennel and dog day care in Bloomfield, had limited information about what had happened to the girl in the year she was gone.

"We're just as much in the dark as everybody else is right now," said the stepfather.

The teen had no obvious external injuries. Investigators would not speculate on what she might have experienced during the past year or if she was held against her will.

Blatter said the girl remained in protective custody today so investigators could continue talking with her.

Police said they had already established that Gault knew the missing girl, and said he and the girl's parents had some sort of undisclosed business transaction in the year before she disappeared.

Cell phone records showed that Gault and the teen talked often before she vanished, Blatter told CNN.

"There was an inordinate amount of contact via cellular phone and then, during follow ups, there were a lot of other circumstances that led us to believe there was an inappropriate relationship," he said.

Officers had questioned Gault several times, but he always denied any involvement in her disappearance. They served a search warrant on his home Wednesday morning, seeking a DNA sample and other evidence.

The girl was held in a locked tiny room, about 3 feet high and 4 to 5 feet deep. The doorway was hidden by a bureau.

Blatter said it did not appear the girl lived in the hidden room, and that police did not find bedding or other items that would suggest it was used as living space.

A 16-year-old boy identified in court documents as Murphy's son was also living at the house. He was placed in the custody of the state Department of Children and Families, which also will decide if the missing girl should be returned to her parents

Other girls may have experienced "something very similar to what's going on right now with this young girl" found Wednesday, Coppinger said. Police said Gault was associated with at least two or three other girls before police found the girl Wednesday.

The cases involving the other girls have not been prosecuted because the frightened girls were reluctant to give statements necessary to pursue the cases. Police said they will be interviewed and additional charges may be filed against Gault.

"The case is definitely ongoing," Blatter said. "There are obviously greater suspicions that are being pursued."

The girl's stepfather told WCBS-TV in an interview today that her mother had been allowed to spend a few hours with her Wednesday.

"She's having some issues," Hesse said of the girl. "She didn't even know who she was."

He said family members, who own a kennel and dog day care in Bloomfield, had limited information about what had happened to the girl in the year she was gone.

"We're just as much in the dark as everybody else is right now," said the stepfather.

The teen had no obvious external injuries. Investigators would not speculate on what she might have experienced during the past year or if she was held against her will.

Blatter said the girl remained in protective custody today so investigators could continue talking with her.

Police said they had already established that Gault knew the missing girl, and said he and the girl's parents had some sort of undisclosed business transaction in the year before she disappeared.

Cell phone records showed that Gault and the teen talked often before she vanished, Blatter told CNN.

"There was an inordinate amount of contact via cellular phone and then, during follow ups, there were a lot of other circumstances that led us to believe there was an inappropriate relationship," he said.

Officers had questioned Gault several times, but he always denied any involvement in her disappearance. They served a search warrant on his home Wednesday morning, seeking a DNA sample and other evidence.

The girl was held in a locked tiny room, about 3 feet high and 4 to 5 feet deep. The doorway was hidden by a bureau.

Blatter said it did not appear the girl lived in the hidden room, and that police did not find bedding or other items that would suggest it was used as living space.

A 16-year-old boy identified in court documents as Murphy's son was also living at the house. He was placed in the custody of the state Department of Children and Families, which also will decide if the missing girl should be returned to her parents

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/5758007-dna-test-free-man-convicted-of-rape-after-thirty-years-in-prison

Yes, there are many a man that has been accused of rape that has in fact (30) years later through DNA established that he was innocent.

Shame on the law.


http://www.sott.net/articles/show/226670-UK-It-took-me-30-years-to-prove-I-was-raped-How-DNA-breakthrough-caught-attacker-but-forced-victim-to-relive-night-that-scarred-her-for-ever

And then there is this............

Beyond a reasonable doubt. I believe is the term.

Do you guys realise that whilst it is fair and reasonable that so many are accused, judged and sentenced only to be freed at a point and time when they are destroyed inside, knowing they never did it, comes the other side, DNA that proves after 30 years that not only were you raped/male or woman, but he , or she, usually he, raped others , so many along the way.

There are always two sides remember that.

All you guys are doing really is saying well did he? Yeah right, who can prove it after 30 years.

Guess what. DNA is an amazing thing and it can and it does and so life goes on.

Hi ConcernedCheryl.

I personally would like to thank you for sharing your story.

I agree, as I posted also on an "incest" situation but at the end of the day, there is a apparently known name for these types of people in illness...but they still raped their child.

People have passions, I am a very passionate person about life and all that exists but I also know evil, wrong and remember that, you let go of those they are not part of your make-up , who you are, who you will become unless you allow that person/those to destroy you for the rest of your life.

I can only hope that women/girls/boys/children can look past something so horrific and realise that.

For all reading... At 14 years of age, I walked the usual path.. Down my street, crossing a reserve to get to the bus stop, for school... One day, three boys I knew of one, the others not, from 2 houses from me, cornered me and pushed me down the creek... laughed, as I lay there on my back still in shock (20 seconds less later) and told me they were going to rape me... Shock stopped me, I believe it takes at least 30 or 60 seconds to react (your brain) to anything, alas the Mother , feral as she was, seemed to appear and screamed at them.. they left... I got up and went home... I , still in shock, covered in dirt tried to speak.. My Mother got the gist and called the police.

At 18, I was dancing, in a nightclub... I went to the toilet. When I walked out, a man grabbed me and dragged me out through suposidly a locked door , exit door, and hit me.. I saw stars.. He held me by the throat, 6 plus foot tall and dragged me to his car... As he tried to push me into the car, a taxi driver pulled up.. I held on for life, and even though he was tall, strong, he could NOT push me into that car... As he looked at the taxi driver, blood pooring down my nose, I got free and ran... He, was found to be a pimp, and the Judge asked, Is your name ...............and do you live at.................whilst this guy was in court. Imagine? He was set free with a warning? I lived in my house for a few months before moving.

At 23, I was living in a house, in Kensington... I am an ex Model, not relevant but therefore, I like clothes, always "classy" and around the house, out no different, I am not/was not one to wear bras/knickers or such around the house by window etc... This guy, scratched the wire of the windows up and down as I slept, somehow came close to coming inside through the laundry, as the door was adjar and then, I found his , well bowels on the lawn, wiped by my towel, thrown on my garage, at this point I did this.

Next time he scratched down my screen on my bedroom window, I told him " I'm not afraid of you, get lost", "I am not moving so deal with it"... I did three months later...

I've told you this because I am very grounded, I have no fear. I've dealt with more than this in my life, it's just life.

I am engaged, I have a healthy sex life always have. Maybe I am different, I don't allow things that are negative to affect me, after the fact.

But, I am damned if I am going to accept that because i was a Model, because I was attractive, that men have the right to take, try to take, try to kidnap, try to scare me.... Because what is attractive to someone may not be to others, but ultimately a man whom rapes , is attracted to that person, they may remind him of someone or only have the same colour har and then, they may be a pimp and want to use what I have posted, links for, hide her, take away her identity self worth.

If you guys can not understand that a women does not ask for it, after reading this? Then the old cave man, drag her by the hair, **** her, who cares, you are the dominate ones, we are the weak ones, is all I can think of in your thinking.

Just to clarify, I understand, horny, sexual and sensual.

And, I am capable of putting the three together if desired. What I really understand is love, commitment, the ability to have no in-hibitions and to realise that people in this world are for self gain and people in this world are for not...

I'm the lucky one, none of this has affected me... thank god.

But, don't try to justify that women who are raped, almost raped, ask for it, just because they are a woman because I will always come back ten fold.

Only one person knows who I am here, and if he reads this, that's cool..

I make no apology for being "real" can't speak for some people.

Bill you remember when I said, I commended you on something. Now is the time to go to realisation instead of reading all of those guys that were sentenced and shouldn't have been.

I have read crime books all my life. I know alot are victims that should not be.

I was one, more than three times, "almost" if it wasn't for fate, luck and determination to ensure.

It's life, we women have alot to deal with and we deal with it.

Get real on this subject.

FS