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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 04:01 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
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deliberately set out to "prey" on those that can't handle their drink/drugs, in pre-meditation


So?

A lot of women prey on men who have weaknesses of one kind or another however we do not normally talk about taking an adult man right to his adulthood away as a result.

The whole idea that women as a class should have and need special protections is an insult to women as a class.

Like men if women find that drinking cause them problems they should have the choice of decreasing or stopping the drinking or living with the results.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 04:03 pm
@BillRM,
Probably the only post that you've made sense in.

Still doesn't give "anyone" a right to prey...............................................
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 04:05 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
Poor BillRM, he can't tell the difference between the one doing the sexual penetrating and the one on the receiving end of the penetrating. Laughing That's why he thinks an intoxicated woman is responsible for her own rape. But, she didn't violate the sexual assault law, if she didn't do the penetration.

If a woman, or man, suddenly shoved an object up BillRM's anus, without asking him about that first, or if she did it while he was too drunk to resist, you can bet that' he'd suddenly understand the meaning of "consent"--fast.

These laws have nothing to do with "protecting women as a class" as BillRM is claiming. These laws protect men from sexual assaults as well.

The laws quite rightly recognize that incapacited individuals, both males and females, do not have the capacity to awarely and knowingly consent to sexual activity when they are mentally and cognitively incapacited, or incapacited by chemical substances.

BillRM just wants to be able to take advantage of drunk women and not have to face legal consequences for doing that. He supports preying on the vulnerable.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 04:11 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
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How about the fact that they can't consume as much alcohol as men can? T


So we should divide men up as to their body and weight size and give a free pass on drunk driving to the smaller men?

If you think women can not handle alcohol as a class we may as well save a lot of problem by making it illegal for women to drink.

After all you already wish to treat women as children in granting them special protections as you can not grant protections and not at the same time not limit women rights to act as adults.

You in this case are talking about we taking away the woman right to consent to sex when having alcohol in her bloodstream.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 04:18 pm
@BillRM,
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do not have the capacity to knowingly consent to sexual activity....
in this case are talking about we taking away the woman right to consent to sex when having alcohol in her bloodstream.

BULLSHIT.

She can consent, if she wants to. The state takes away no right to do that. But, then she won't charge you with rape either. If she really was freely willing, and she knowingly consented to sex, she's not going to regard it as rape, even if she was a little drunk

You are too dumb to understand the laws.

Women have no "special protections" that male victims of sexual assault do not have.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 04:22 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
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Still doesn't give "anyone" a right to prey


Well the word prey is an emotionally loaded term but we all "prey" on each other in all kind of legal way.

Women and men prey of each other all the time as it is part of the mating game.

Now we are starting to talk about rape by fraud an the new frontier in sexual laws where you can charge someone with rape if he lied about his religion or if he is married or how must income he earn in order to get a woman into bed.

We are going to end up like the Muslim countries where there must be a male guardian at all time with any woman who is outside her home as that is where this logic lead to in the end.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 04:24 pm
@firefly,
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difference between the one doing the sexual penetrating and the one on the receiving end of the penetrating


The sexual plumbing of the parties involved change what Firefly?
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 04:26 pm
@firefly,
Oh Firefly you do indeed have a sexual hang up on the power of the penis it would seem how interesting and sad.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 04:29 pm
@BillRM,
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The sexual plumbing of the parties involved change what Firefly?

It changes who is regarded as commiting the sexual assault--it's the one penetrating the body of another without consent. And that person can be either male or female.

Geez, you're so dumb you don't even understand the basics of the sexual assault laws.Laughing

As I said, if someone, male or female, shoves an object up your anus, without your consent, or if you are too incapacited to give consent, you'd understand this topic pretty fast.

BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 04:50 pm
@firefly,
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As I said, if someone, male or female, shoves an object up your anus, without your consent


LOL I been rape if a finger count during an act of 69ing!!!!!!!!!!

She rape me she rape me I will have to go and report the woman as a rapist to the police as I did not give her consent ahead of time............in fact it was a complete surprise.

Sorry Firefly but an asexual woman or any asexual person for that matter should not be the one setting the rules for the rest of us.

There is nothing special about the plumbing between a man and a woman that call for special rules and laws.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 05:23 pm
@firefly,
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Poor BillRM, he can't tell the difference between the one doing the sexual penetrating and the one on the receiving end of the penetrating.


Poor Firefly who cant tell the difference between the woman who opens her legs without resistance and the woman who tries to keep them closed as she is telling her man " no".....
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 05:32 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Poor Firefly who cant tell the difference between the woman who opens her legs without resistance and the woman who tries to keep them closed as she is telling her man " no".....


Hawkeye Firefly have some very serous sexual hangups that is very clearly coming out with her most recent postings and it is frightening that we have allow such people to assume so must power over our sexual laws!

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 05:42 pm
@BillRM,
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Hawkeye Firefly have some very serous sexual hangups that is very clearly coming out with her most recent postings and it is frightening that we have allow such people to assume so must power over our sexual laws!


I dont think so, I think with her it is all about trying to grab power for women.....I think she believes that women are generally victims in our culture and that men are abusers, and the she is on a moral crusade to right the wrong by depowering men. She is out of touch with reality.....the reality is that American women are some of the most privileged, well cared for and snotty females that the human race has ever produced. Almost all of the grievances that she whines about have not been valid for over a decade, and women were never 1/4 abused as she thinks they were.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 06:31 pm
@BillRM,
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There is nothing special about the plumbing between a man and a woman that call for special rules and laws.

http://static.pplaylist.com/uimg/T/p/Y/i15766480385l.gif

You don't understand the sexual assault laws, you schmuck. Laughing

What grown man talks about people's "plumbing"? Laughing

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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 06:32 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I think with her it is all about trying to grab power for women.....


http://static.pplaylist.com/uimg/T/p/Y/i15766480385l.gif

Right, I single-handedly control sexual assault law. Laughing

And it's me, not you, who wants to see the sexual assaults of men regarded as rape. You aren't concerned with the assaults of men at all.
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I think she believes that women are generally victims in our culture and that men are abusers,

I don't think women, as a group, are victims at all. Women are strong, talented, intelligent, and smart enough to get politically active.

On the other hand, you're the drama queen who is always whining about men being victimized, abused, marginalized, etc. by women. You bitch and snivel constantly about feeling a lack of power because women no longer act like doormats. Well, grow up, Buster, it's the 21st century--women now enjoy their full rights as citizens, and they are going to exercise those rights. No one stops you from getting up off your ass and doing the same.

You and buddy BillRM are two pathetic aging clowns. Laughing

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 06:44 pm
@firefly,
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Right, I single-handedly control sexual assault law.

And it's me, not you, who wants to see the sexual assaults of men regarded as rape. You aren't concerned with the assaults of men at all.


evasion.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 07:00 pm
@hawkeye10,
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evasion

So stop evading. Laughing

You make up complete bullshit about me and you expect to be taken seriously?
http://static.pplaylist.com/uimg/T/p/Y/i15766480385l.gif
You are a joke.

You're the one obsessed with power and your need to prove you have power. Laughing

And no woman in this thread ever whined, and sniveled, and bitched as much as you have with all your complaining about your alleged loss of power because you can't rape as freely as you'd like to. Oh, those awful rape laws. Laughing Women aren't rape victims, it's men who are victimized by the rape laws. Laughing

Boy, that's a real masculine "powerful" image you project with all that whining--do you even do it in drag?. Laughing Poor victimized, Hawkeye. Done in by the fact that women got the vote--and they use it. I'll pass the Kleenex. Laughing
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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 07:28 pm
Rape is a crime which tends to be repeated. Hopefully this rapist will now be put away for a long time,
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Feb. 10, 2012
Tulsa Police: Serial rapist arrested and linked to three attacks
Suspect is a sex offender out of Texas
By Nicole Burgin

Tulsa police arrest a man they are calling a serial rapist and have reportedly connected him to three rapes, one in January and two in November in Tulsa.

Michael Ray Harris allegedly grabbed a 17 year old girl and raped her behind a restaurant near Admiral and Sheridan at the end of January.

Tulsa Sex Crimes Unit Sergeant Mark Mears says on January 27th, an officer spotted Harris who matched the description given by the victim and she was able to identify Harris as her attacker.

Mears says he was arrested and then additional investigative work was able to connect Harris to two other unsolved rapes from November.

Authorities say Harris approached the two victims in November about giving them a ride and then drove to a secluded area and raped the women.

Mears says Harris was on a bike in January and was able to overpower the victim and drag her behind a restaurant and rape her.

“Two of them were 17 and one was 38 so there isn’t necessarily a commonality in their ages but the primary commonality is that they were walking- they were on foot,” says Mears.

He believes there could be more victims and investigators are working to see if Harris is connected to any other unsolved cases.

"We are going back through all of our other cases and looking at any cases that might match his methods. And we have also shared the information with other agencies in Oklahoma, in cities where he's lived, specifically that we know of, Inola and Catoosa," says Mears.

Harris is a sex offender out of Texas who failed to register as a sex offender when he moved to Tulsa.
http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/tulsa-police-serial-rapist-arrested-and-linked-thr/nHZZ5/

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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 07:40 pm
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The Irish Times
Monday, February 13, 2012
Slutwalk shows clothes not the problem
CLÍONA SAIDLÉAR

In a rape culture, no matter what women are wearing, we are all sluts

I ONCE MET a man who had an unusual interest in elbows. His interest was of the lustful bent! So, does that make my elbows indecent and if so what should I do about it? Well, if the time and place was appropriate and I was so inclined, I could roll up my sleeves and angle my elbows to their best advantage (if there’s such a thing). On the other hand, if I were not inclined, should I hide my elbows in case he catches a glimpse and misunderstands? Should I feel shame that my elbows are out and on view?

Of course the answer is I have no control over how he reads my elbow “signals”. He cannot know my intentions. If he wants to move beyond guesswork he will have to ask me.

Seems straightforward except that at every turn in our society we are told that guesswork about consent to sexual activity is not only possible but sufficient, that under certain circumstances a person can be assessed to be “up for it” and that if someone wasn’t in fact “up for it”, they were at least “asking for it”.

If we start there, then how are we to hold perpetrators of sexual violence to account? After all, was it even their fault?

The movement Slutwalk was initiated when a police officer in Canada expressed the view that how others define you, makes their choice to commit a crime against you your responsibility or at least in part your fault. Protesters in Canada took to the streets to challenge this.

Slutwalk protested the meanings being given to women’s dress and behaviour, the right and legitimacy of others to define any woman’s meaning, and the use of this meaning to explain and understand sexual violence.

Defining who is and isn’t a slut in a society with epidemic levels of sexual violence, the vast majority of which is perpetrated by men against women, girls and boys, was named as a political act; a political act that supports and facilitates a society with a high tolerance for sexual violence – a rape culture.

In terms of sexual violence, where rape victims are blamed and shamed, quizzed and judged about their behaviour prior to the rape, meanings matter. The meaning given to a woman’s dress and demeanour matter when the whole world is judge and jury of a crime committed against her. Slutwalk came about because someone stood up and said, “This meaning hurts and I’m not okay with it.”

If we believe that sluttiness is a cause of rape, this belief acts as a form of control over women. Indeed if we believe sluts are asking for it, are we sanctioning rape as legitimate punishment for women who do not conform?

What is it that women must do to conform? The “rule” Slutwalk rails against is essentially women’s “wrongdoing” of being sexually desirable to men. Given the cornucopia of taste we are capable of, to someone, somewhere, every one of us is a slut; under these circumstances all women break the rule simply because they are female.

The problem isn’t the specific clothes, the problem is that the meaning of your appearance is defined by another and your own intention and meaning is irrelevant. Slutwalk simply says my clothes are not my consent, and certainly not your excuse.

At the heart of Slutwalk is a public and defiant NO to being defined by others, particularly in relation to our “responsibility” in our victimisation. For those who try to define who the sluts in Slutwalk are, unfortunately the point is in a rape culture, no matter what we are wearing, we are all sluts.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2012/0213/1224311683063.html

firefly
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 07:53 pm
Another serial predator--this one looked for potential victims in parking garages.
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Police Make Arrest in Vanderbilt Rape Case
Feb 12, 2012

NASHVILLE, Tenn.- Metro Police have arrested a suspect in the Friday night rape of a 21-year-old Vanderbilt student.

Not only are detectives charging this suspect in Friday evening's assault inside a campus parking garage, but they say he was brazen enough to attempt the same thing three times early Sunday morning.

Tyrone Batts is a convicted felon and was convicted last July of indecent exposure inside a West End parking garage. He also has a drug conviction on his record. According to Metro's Sex Crimes unit, he was busy again Sunday morning.

Police say around 4:30 a.m. he approached a woman in her car inside Baptist Hospital's mid-state garage. Police say he tried to sexually assault her, but he failed. He did manage to take her cell phone.

Then at 6 a.m., detectives say Batts shoved a woman to the ground inside Vanderbilt Medical Center's garage on 21st Avenue South. He allegedly took her cell phone as well.

Then, at 7:10, Batts is charged with approaching another woman inside Baptist's 21st Avenue North parking garage and robbing her of her work-bag.

Metro Police say during an interview Sunday morning, Tyrone Batts confessed to Friday evening's rape and robbery of a 21-year-old Vanderbilt student inside the Terrace Place parking garage.

Sunday afternoon, Metro Police Chief Steve Anderson praised security officers at both hospitals and his Sex Crimes detectives for being able to make such a swift arrest.

Even though Tyrone Batts has a criminal record, detectives want to keep his mug-shot private until his alleged victims can see him in a suspect line-up.
http://www.newschannel5.com/story/16918515/police-make-arrest-in-vanderbilt-rape-case

 

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