Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@hawkeye10,

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Research shows that people, especially women, still tend to think that the woman did something to contribute to the sad event when they hear details of what she did that night...or did not do (say "no" for instance).

Hawkeye if she had a drink or two even a yes can be taken back long after the event at the woman whim or out of need such as Kelly accuser finding out she was pregnant when she could not pass the baby off on an infertility boyfriend.

Then there is the case that if she claimed to had fear the man even if he did no take any actions that would cause any reasonable person to fear saying no or not saying yes to him.

Men in the future will need to be mind readers.

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It's really quite sad that neither BillRM or Hawkeye feel that male rape needs to be included in the federal rape statistics.
Just shows how phony both of them are when they claim to be championing men's rights.

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@firefly,

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It's really quite sad that neither BillRM or Hawkeye feel that male rape needs to be included in the federal rape statistics.

Bullshit, there was no reason we could not keep the old standard for historical continuity and then added a new line in the crime reporting tool. My objection is to rubbing out the link to history which the feminists will now exploit to back their lie that sex crime is at crisis levels, at a new horrible level which requires further strengthen of the police state.

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@BillRM,

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Men in the future will need to be mind readers.

The goal is the make the men of the future under the thumb of women, because if they refuse they will be at grave danger of loss of liberty for life. as men we owe it to our boys and grandsons to object strenuously to this current attempt to subjugate males more than has already been done.

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Another acquaintance rape. Another claim by the rapist that it "was consensual".

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Man guilty of raping elderly Alzheimer's patient
Submitted by Anna Marie Hartman
Anchor/Reporter
Friday, February 10th, 2012

MEMPHIS, TN- (WMC-TV) – A Memphis man has been found guilty of a despicable crime, raping an elderly woman who suffered from Alzheimer's.

Marco Blanch only lived a few blocks away from his victim, an elderly woman who had no idea a rapist was just outside her bedroom door.

A helpless senior citizen with Alzheimer's had no idea a rapist was making himself at home inside her South Memphis house.

On Thursday, a jury convicted 29-year-old Marco Blanch for raping a 79-year-old woman who was lying in her bed when he entered her home on February 3, 2011.

Blanch's defense in court was that the sex was consensual.

But prosecutors said the elderly victim had no idea what was happening when she was sexually assaulted by Blanch, whose criminal record includes a prior domestic assault conviction.

Prosecutors say Blanch took his time committing the crime.

He let himself into the house, sat down drank and drank a beer, smoked pot and watched an NBA game before going into the victim's bedroom and raping her.

Family members had already installed video cameras inside the house to keep an eye on the victim. Images of the crime weren't caught on camera, but there was audio.

Those incriminating sounds were heard by jurors who ultimately found Blanch guilty.

Blanch will be sentenced next month. The most he could serve is 12 years.

When he committed this crime he was already out of jail after serving time on a 2009 domestic assault conviction.
http://southmemphis.wmctv.com/news/crime/69329-man-guilty-raping-elderly-alzheimers-patient

Any vulnerable female, of any age can be the victim of a rape. That's the reality of rape.
This woman did not "ask to be raped".

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@hawkeye10,

If, your sons and grandsons were totally aware of the new laws pertaining to rape, do you think that they would "attempt" any form of penetration that wasn't consentual? Do you think that it would put some fear in them, thereby, not attempting sex with anyone, until there was some form of relationship?

In one way, respect comes back into play, too many women have been used and abused by the pretence of the word "love" by men throughout their life, in another way, men would walk around in fear which I don't think is fair.

I agree with the article that "sometimes" a woman can not say no, shock sets in very quickly when you are violated.. And, not all women are strong willed either, some, may feel a rapist goes to the next step, murder and be quiet and wait for it to end.

The journey that "person" male or female has to go through especially a male who is raped by another male, who is not gay, is a long journey throughout their life, some never get over it.

Is it wrong therefore to "try" to find a way in which to stop as many rapes as possible? Probably not, it's a violation to that persons rights is it not. The right to be themselves? Which you advocate. But then do what you want, is also something you believe so it is a tricky subject in realty to answer taking the law side out of it for one minute.

Councelling has to come into play, naturally..

But, then just like there is good and evil, there is honesty and lies. I can't deny that there are hundreds of cases whereby, "people" lie and claim to have been raped when they weren't however, "Bill" threads turn but my point was that, this is not what the question was of the thread and that is what I am answering...

Can a woman ask to be raped?

Only if she is with a trusting partner and asks for it, in a game like fashion of her preference..

Otherwise, she doesn't ask for it. She may not be able to get a voice, scream, say no, comprehend what's happening, but surely any one with any brain would know if a woman is lying there doing nothing, then she's either in shock or fear or so out of it, that she's not participating.

In my opinion.

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@FOUND SOUL,

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If, your sons and grandsons were totally aware of the new laws pertaining to rape, do you think that they would "attempt" any form of penetration that wasn't consentual? Do you think that it would put some fear in them, thereby, not attempting sex with anyone, until there was some form of relationship?

Given that the state standard is a verbal yes from the woman each and every time I sure hope that they would attempt to have sex without the proper consent. The state demand is unreasonable, it is the state's intrusion into personal matters that must be changed mostly, as I am not convinced that men are usually bad guys when it comes to intimate contact with women.

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Otherwise, she doesn't ask for it. She may not be able to get a voice, scream, say no, comprehend what's happening, but surely any one with any brain would know if a woman is lying there doing nothing, then she's either in shock or fear or so out of it, that she's not participating.

She is participating, she is just not participating with the state demanded enthusiastic YES!. When a woman lets a man have his way with her without objection she has participated.....in a pretty customary way I might add. I elect to continue with this level of participation from my wife but would be unlikely to with other women, and I also have sex when my wife is drunk, which is why Firefly calls me an admitted rapist. I would want my boy to follow in my footsteps rather than to comply with the state's demands.

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@hawkeye10,

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When a woman lets a man have his way with her without objection she has participated

So, the 79 year old woman with Alzheimer's was consenting, because she didn't fight back? She "participated" so it wasn't rape?

What crap.

It's pathetic that both you and BillRM, both aging men, still can't understand, or recognize, "consent"--that you can't tell whether a woman is freely agreeing to the sexual act or not.

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Given that the state standard is a verbal yes from the woman each and every time

No, that is not the standard in the state of Washington, where you live. Your ignorance of the sexual assault laws of your own state makes you look like a fool. In your state, consent is freely willing agreement. Are you too stupid to understand what that means?
It does not mean that someone "participated" because she was fearful and totally passive, or because she was pinned down and could not resist, or because she was so drunk she was incapacited, or because she had Alzheimer's and couldn't understand what was happening to her--those things do not indicate consent--consent is "freely wiling agreement" where you live.

If, you can't tell whether a woman is consenting, then you've never paid attention to what the woman wants or doesn't want. You think that requiring consent is "unreasonable" because you don't want to have to take into account what the other person wants. And people who think that way are the reason we need the sexual assault laws.

If someone takes your property from your home, without your permission, you certainly would understand the meaning of consent, and why, without your consent, the taking of your property would be a crime. Just as sexual intercourse without consent is a crime--the crime of rape.

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I also have sex when my wife is drunk...I would want my boy to do the same thing.

You want your son to have sex with his mother when she is drunk? You really believe in keeping deviancy in the family, don't you?

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@firefly,

Think he corrected that last statement:)

I think you and your wife Hawkeye have a "different" type of relationship, she consents when sober to you having sex with her when drunk and I would hope if your son was to do the same, he would be in a simular relationship, because "some" men would have sex with their wives when drunk and even get her drunk just to have sex and that, is abuse.

Don't get me wrong, I love sex when I'm drunk but that's not the point of the above comment in return....

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@firefly,

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If, you can't tell whether a woman is consenting, then you've never paid attention to what the woman wants or doesn't want. You think that requiring consent is "unreasonable" because you don't want to have to take into account what the other person wants. And people who think that way are the reason we need the sexual assault laws.

My problem is not with the validity of the theory of consent, it is with the level of consent demanded by the state, as well as the state's claim that it has the right to after the fact decide who had the right to consent and who did not, thus retroactively making a man into a rapist.

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@FOUND SOUL,

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because "some" men would have sex with their wives when drunk and even get her drunk just to have sex and that, is abuse.

UNless the man lied about the alcohol content of the drink or forcibly poured it down her throat he has done nothing wrong, and he should not be made to fear the state if he should have sex with this drunk woman so long has she both still has the conscious ability to say no and also does not say no.

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@hawkeye10,

Ahh , "as long as she had the conscious ability to say no"...

Think on that one Smile

You know that my comments aren't soley based on the law, they are based on thoughts .... So, in that. He doesn't have to force the drink down her throat if he pre-meditated ( law) the act for the purpose of having sex Smile

Then you would have to agree that she just thought that she was able to get drunk with no concerns what so ever of her body being violated Smile

But, he pre-mediated the whole thing knowingly... So then who is wrong?

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@hawkeye10,

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My problem is not with the validity of the theory of consent, it is with the level of consent demanded by the state,

"Freely willing agreement" is a perfectly reasonable, and understandable, level of consent that can be understood by anyone of average intelligence. And that is the definition of consent in your state.

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the state's claim that it has the right to after the fact decide who had the right to consent and who did not, thus retroactively making a man into a rapist.

No the state never decides after the fact who had the right to consent--that's a bullshit rape excuse. The sexual assault laws defining consent, including those instances where consent can not be legally given (by minors, the developmentally disabled, those who are helpless or incapacited for any reason, etc.) are in effect before the sexual assault took place, they were simply disregarded and violated by the rapist.

The person commiting the rape is the one who makes himself a rapist by violating the sexual assault laws. No one is "retroactively" turned into a rapist--the laws, and definitions, were in place before the rape took place, the rapist chose to disregard those laws.

It's rather pathetic if the only time your wife will have sex with you is when she's drunk. Laughing

Does it excite you to regard it as "a rape"?

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@hawkeye10,

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Bullshit, there was no reason we could not keep the old standard for historical continuity and then added a new line in the crime reporting tool. My objection is to rubbing out the link to history which the feminists will now exploit to back their lie that sex crime is at crisis levels, at a new horrible level which requires further strengthen of the police state.

One hundred percents in agreement as it were embarrassing that people was able to bring up the fact that reported rapes are at a 33 years low and dropping as the fireflies or the world are trying to sell a large and growing rape crisis.

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@hawkeye10,

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UNless the man lied about the alcohol content of the drink or forcibly poured it down her throat he has done nothing wrong, and he should not be made to fear the state if he should have sex with this drunk woman so long has she both still has the conscious ability to say no and also does not say no.

In total agreement as otherwise it is not only harmful to the men but take away women adulthoods and placing a burden of being women guardian onto men in this one area.

Adults are responsible for their actions when under the voluntary influences of alcohol or drugs.

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@BillRM,

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Adults are responsible for their actions when under the voluntary influences of alcohol or drugs.

And, there will always be those that deliberately set out to "prey" on those that can't handle their drink/drugs, in pre-meditation................................

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@FOUND SOUL,

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Then you would have to agree that she just thought that she was able to get drunk with no concerns what so ever of her body being violated

Strange even females are normally held responsible for such actions as drunk driving or breaking the law such as shoplifting when drunk but are poor weak creatures when it come to having sex.

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@BillRM,

Weak creatures, women? Laughing

That says it all Bill, exactly what you think of women, the weaker sex.

How about the fact that they can't consume as much alcohol as men can? That, if they choose to have a drink, they are not thinking about someone coming onto them for sex, and if that occured, most women that are single, may feel horny but they have to "consent" and agree to have sex.

Preying on those "weak woman" that likeminded men like you would do as you vew them as weak, which means vulnerable, is exactly what we as women were warned about at a young age, on the most part, have found it hard to avoid because you think with your dick not your head. Mr. Green

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@hawkeye10,

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there was no reason we could not keep the old standard for historical continuity and then added a new line in the crime reporting tool

The new definition is more inclusive, better reflects state criminal codes and focuses on the various forms of sexual assault understood to be rape.

The new rape definition is: “The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.” The revised definition was recommended by the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Criminal Justice Information Services Advisory Policy Board.

Rape traditionally has been regarded as forcible male-on-female traditional sexual intercourse. That definition excludes these types of situations:

• A man having unwanted sexual activity with another male.

• A person of either sex sexually violating a child.

• An elderly person in a nursing home is sexually assaulted, but is unable to communicate that the incident has occurred.

• A woman who engaged in sexual activity, but was unable to consent because she was mentally incapacitated temporarily or permanently, was under the influence of drugs or alcohol, or because of age.

The traditional definition of rape, first established in 1927, was “the carnal knowledge of a female, forcibly and against her will.”

Sorry, the outdated federal definition failed to recognize that men, and children, are also victims of the crime of rape, and it failed to recognize those situations where force by the assailant is not necessary because resistance by the victim may not even be possible. Since these types of rapes are already prosecuted under state laws, the new federal definition will simply make the crime statistics more reflective of the actual occurance of the crime of rape.

As usual, your thinking does not reflect the way most people, both men and women, now view the crime of rape. There is no point in having federal crime statistics if they do not accurately reflect violations of currently existing state sexual assault laws.

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@firefly,

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The person commiting the rape is the one who makes himself a rapist by violating the sexual assault laws. No one is "retroactively" turned into a rapist--the laws, and definitions, were in place before the rape took place, the rapist chose to disregard those laws

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When the laws get so crazy and can not be change back in a peaceful manner it is time to consider breaking out the guns for the welfare of our sons and grandsons and their sons.

Not to mention the welfare of the women who love these men the mothers and the daughters and so on.

We now have the best government special interests can buy and are now seeing the results where the new sex laws are concern as well as in a hundreds of other ways.

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