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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2012 12:55 pm
@hawkeye10,
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but I admire the size of your balls

I know that--your jealousy comes through loud and clear. Laughing Some of us are just well endowed, and others were at the back of the line. Laughing
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those of us who care enough to try to figure out what our "justice" system is doing.

By reading the planted leaks in the two NYC tabloids? Laughing The leaks that are obviously designed to discredit the woman, as part of the defense strategy. Laughing

You and BillRM are like two old biddies who sit on the back porch and gossip about the neighbors.

If you had any interest in the "justice system" you'd go sit in a real courtroom.

The NY Post is owned by Murdoch, who also owns Fox, which makes him Greg Kelly's employer, and Kelly is an asset to him. So, the Post will print any crap, true or not, to make that woman look bad and to put pressure on her, and on the D.A.'s office, to drop the case.

The latest "leaks" are now designed to say she wasn't really drunk, so therefore she knew what she was doing and she wasn't impaired. They are trying to cover all possible lines of defense for Kelly. This is such an obviously orchestrated attack on her it's ridiculous.

But, as long as it's anti-female, the two of you will lap it up.

Do you and BillRM do knitting while you sit in your rockers and gossip? Laughing
http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/jmp090617l.jpg

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2012 01:05 pm
@firefly,
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The NY Post is owned by Murdoch, who also owns Fox, which makes him Greg Kelly's employer, and Kelly is an asset to him. So, the Post will print any crap, true or not, to make that woman look bad and to put pressure on her, and on the D.A.'s office, to drop the case.


Who cares...I am making a general statement about how the system works (does not work). I neither know nor care much about Kelly, and he does not apply to my argument as he has not even been arrested much less charged. I do however fully support the owners of yellow journalism rags if Murdoch is indeed such, as I support free speech, so you will get no where with me arguing that Murdoch is not upstanding and/or honest.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2012 02:25 pm
What a damn joke and a waste of government resources..........


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Woman accusing NYPD boss' son, Greg Kelly, of rape exchanged 17 texts before, after encounter

Published January 29, 2012
| New York Post

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NEW YORK – It was just a chance encounter on a downtown New York City street, but she was instantly enamored.

"I've seen you on TV. You're so cute," the woman who would later accuse Greg Kelly of rape said, according to a law enforcement source.

The brunette crossed paths with the handsome "Good Day New York" TV host two days before the alleged attack.

What followed was about 48 hours of marathon text-messaging ahead of their Saturday-night date at the South Street Seaport.

"The texts were explicit," the source said. "They were sexual."

Kelly and the 29-year-old paralegal, an aspiring model and actress whose name is being withheld by the New York Post, also spoke by phone and exchanged emails before meeting up, the source said.

On the night of their date, the woman's boyfriend was at home, so she concocted an excuse to get out on her own.

"She lied to the boyfriend to meet Greg that night. She said, 'I'm going out with a girlfriend,'" the source said.

They ordered drinks at a bar, running up a tab that another source described as "laughably low" -- and then headed to the woman's lower-Manhattan law firm.

They had sex there, right in her boss's office, the source said.

If the woman was upset about the randy romp, she gave no clue in follow-up messages to Kelly, the son of Police Commissioner Ray Kelly, the source said.

"They continued to text," the source said. "Part of it was about arranging another date."
In total, there were 17 text messages between the two.

But the woman, whose brother is an NYPD sergeant assigned to the crime-scene unit, insisted she was sexually assaulted by Greg Kelly and claims that she had so much to drink that she was incapable of rejecting his advances.

The source added that investigators from the district attorney's office are aggressively looking into every possible piece of corroborating evidence, including videotape from the woman's office building and witnesses who might have seen the couple coming in or leaving.

The woman told prosecutors that Kelly, a single former US Marine, got her pregnant and that she underwent an abortion.

The source believes the case will hinge on the accuser's motivation, asking, "What drives someone who's making a delayed report?" The accuser did not come forward until last Tuesday, three months after the affair.

The NYPD immediately handed the investigation over to the Manhattan district attorney because of the inherent conflict of interest.

Greg Kelly, meanwhile, was keeping a low profile and has not been seen in public since Thursday, when he took an indefinite leave of absence from "Good Day New York" on WNYW. The TV station is owned by News Corp., the parent company of the New York Post and NewsCore.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/01/29/woman-who-accuses-nypd-boss-son-greg-kelly-rape-exchanged-17-texts-following/#ixzz1ksfvQo9S
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2012 11:51 pm
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But unanimously, the scientists I talked to said their greatest challenge was finding research grants and financial support for their work. Because so many of us are peevish about the study of sex, funding agencies can be, too. But none of us should be. Human sexuality is important - and its study is something we should all get behind. Because we can’t begin to have discussions about how to best deal with problems concerning sexual behavior, sexual function and sexual intimacy until we have a better handle on what’s normal.


http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/27/why-i-orgasmed-in-an-mri-scanner/?hpt=hp_bn10

A point that I have made before.....the feminists will argue up and down that they know the "right" way to approach sex, and that they know what behavior should be criminal, but the elephant in the room is that they have never bothered to find out what normal human sexuality is, and they dont care what normal human sexual behavior is.

ON WARDS TO UTOPIA!
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2012 10:49 am
It too damn bad that the justice system does not care about the similar harm done to men when they are knowingly falsely charge with sexual assault by women and spend a year or more jail and loss businesses and other means of livelihood and have family relationships harm and on and on.

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New York private detective sentenced for rape, framing

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By Jonathan Allen

NEW YORK | Wed Jan 4, 2012 6:45pm EST

NEW YORK (Reuters) - A New York private detective was sentenced to 32 years in prison on Wednesday for raping his ex-girlfriend and then framing her for a series of fictional robberies in an elaborate conspiracy that fooled authorities and saw his victim wrongly jailed for seven months.

Jerry Ramrattan, 39, was found guilty in November of rape, conspiracy, witness tampering and falsely reporting incidents stemming from his efforts to frame Seemona Sumasar.

Prosecutors said Ramrattan attacked and raped Sumasar in March 2009 when, although they had broken up, he was living in her basement in New York City's Queens borough.

After he was arrested on rape charges a few days later, Ramrattan, using bribes and threats, convinced three people to pretend they had been pulled over while driving and held up at gunpoint by a man and a woman impersonating police officers, according to the Queens District Attorney's account.

The three people falsely identified Sumasar as the female police officer.

Ramrattan also planted a bullet at the scene of one of the fake robberies, hoping it would discredit her as a witness at his rape trial, prosecutors said.

Based on the three persons' sworn testimonies, grand juries in Queens and in Nassau County, Long Island, indicted Sumasar on charges of first-degree robbery.

Unable to afford bail, she spent more than seven months in jail, separated from her daughter and her restaurant business, which failed in her absence, her attorney said.

Weeks before her trial was due to start, an informant came forward with a tip that she was a victim of an elaborate plot, prosecutors said.

She then testified against Ramrattan at his four-week trial in state Supreme Court in Queens, where he was found guilty in November.

"Today's sentence provides a measure of justice for this victim, who survived a nightmarish rape only to be victimized again when she was arrested on robbery charges and sent to jail," Queens District Attorney Richard Brown said.

Ramrattan has maintained his innocence, claiming he did not rape Sumasar and saying he is the victim of an even larger conspiracy in which he has been framed in the charges of framing her.

Frank Kelly, Ramrattan's attorney, said he would file a notice of appeal.

Sumasar has filed a civil lawsuit against police in Nassau County, who were criticized by Justice Richard Buchter at Wednesday's sentencing, and against New York City for negligence leading to her wrongful imprisonment.

"This is extremely important to her," said Nick Brustin, her attorney in the civil case, "not only to once and for all make clear to the world what happened to her, but also to make sure it doesn't happen to someone else."

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Muarck
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2012 12:26 pm
@firefly,
Although I heard that several men were recently convicted of rape after in engaging in consensual sex with a drunk woman. The woman and DA later argued the woman was too drunk to rationally give consent to sex.
I need to point out if the woman had not had sex with the man but instead went joy riding and ran someone down the court would not release her saying she was too drunk to rationally choose to drive so she should be excused.
Therefore, it should be upheld you choices are your choices and you must be held to the consequences no mater how drunk you were.
Chaoschick
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2012 12:44 pm
@firefly,
I don't think that anyone can ask to be raped, unless she is one of those odd scary people who are turned on by that. Even then, though, she is allowing it. She gave someone consent to rape her. It isn't like she is sitting in the parkinglot with skimpy clothes.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2012 01:54 pm
@Muarck,
Agree as women should be view as adults who are as responsible for their own actions as any man and males should have no duty to act as their guardians if they do things like get drunk.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2012 10:40 pm
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Emily Yoffe: Good afternoon. I look forward to your questions.
Q. Friend Has Revised One-Night Stand Story: A friend recently called me and said she had a one-night stand after drinking too much. She was beating herself up over drinking too much and going home with a guy she met at a bar. I reassured her that everyone makes mistakes and didn't think much more of the account. However, since then, she has told many people that she was a victim of date-rape—that the guy must have put something into her drink . She spoke to a rape crisis line, and they said even if she was drunk, she couldn't have given consent so she was a victim of rape. She now wants to press charges—she has the guy's business card. I have seen her very intoxicated on previous occasions, to the point she doesn't remember anything the next day. I'm not sure on what my response should be at this point. Pretend she never told me the original story?
A: Trying to ruin someone else's life is a poor way to address one's alcohol and self-control problems. Since her first version of the story is that she was ashamed of her behavior, and since you have seen her knee-walking drunk on other occasions, it sounds as if she wants to punish the guy at the bar for her own poor choices. Yes, I agree that men should not have sex with drunk women they don't know. But I think cases like the one you are describing here—in the absence of any evidence she was drugged—where someone voluntarily goes home with a stranger in order to have a sexual encounter, makes it that much harder for women who are assaulted to bring charges. Talk to your friend. Tell her that she needs to think very long and hard about filing a criminal complaint against this guy if there's any way her behavior could be construed to be consensual. Say you understand her shame, but you're concerned about her drinking, and if she addresses that, she won't find herself in such painful situations.


http://www.slate.com/articles/life/dear_prudence/2012/01/hooking_up_drunk_should_my_friend_call_her_one_night_stand_a_rape_.html

Poor Emily clearly has no clue how the definition of "rape" has been changed by the feminists to encourage female victimhood, of how the state has removed the right to consent to sex (and only sex, as sex law operates under its own rules completely divorced from the rest of law) from drunk women. She will now get a lashing from the victim culture advocates.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 4 Feb, 2012 07:10 am
Another case of a poor man who had a woman trying to get out of cheating and becoming pregnant on her boyfriend by another man by crying rape.

No punishment of any kind even having her name known will occur to her as she drag a man good name into the mud that he will never be able to climb out of completely.

But what the hell as the Fireflies of the world does not give a **** to the injustices done to men by women only the reversed matter.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/kelly_kiss_tell_QXfGrayDjKC870hTce99RM

Kelly's accuser hurting own case with candid conversations: sources
By BRAD HAMILTON, JAMIE SCHRAM and TIM PERONE


More Print She’s the defense’s best witness.

The woman who claims she was raped by the TV-anchor son of Police Commissioner Ray Kelly was so forthcoming in her sit-downs with investigators that they believe the sex was consensual, sources told The Post.

The accuser, whose name The Post is withholding, has had two extended conversations with officials in the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office since filing a rape allegation Tuesday against Greg Kelly, the sources disclosed.

But her interviews have suggested to the veteran investigators that she came forward only after pressure from her boyfriend.

“This is such a common kind of situation, a delayed report driven by a boyfriend or husband after finding out what happened,” one source said.

Another said that, so far, “there are no facts in favor of [prosecuting]” Kelly, a former Marine pilot.

The tryst occurred Oct. 8 when the two met for drinks at a bar at the South Street Seaport after a chance encounter on a street two days earlier.

The 29-year-old paralegal freely admitted that she was star-struck meeting the co-anchor of “Good Day New York” and told him, “You’re so cute.’’

After that, they began “sexting” leading up to their rendezvous.

Perhaps most damning was her disclosure that she continued texting with Kelly after their romp in the law office where she works, hoping to set up another hookup.

The text messages from her phone “say in substance, ‘Do you want to meet up again?’ ’’ according to a law-enforcement source.

“The texts sounded like she enjoyed her time with him and was asking if they would meet up again,” the source said. “She has been forthright with the investigation and showed texts that have her not acting like a rape victim.”

In all, the pair exchanged 17 texts, the last of which was sent two days after they had sex. It wasn’t clear whether they had any communication after that.

The woman, whose brother is a sergeant in the NYPD, has insisted during her meetings with the DA that she was too intoxicated to reject Kelly’s advances, sources said.

The woman, an aspiring model and actress, became pregnant and had an abortion.

She has told authorities it was Kelly’s child.

Her boyfriend confronted Ray Kelly at a public event and told the commissioner that his son “ruined my girlfriend’s life.”

Despite their initial doubts, investigators, led by longtime sex-crimes prosecutor Martha Bashford, are charging ahead with a probe of the woman’s claims.

Officials are seeking video footage of Kelly and the woman entering the downtown law-firm office or at the bar. They also want to talk to witnesses who may have seen them.

They have yet to interview Greg Kelly, and his attorney has not produced his phone or any printouts of his texts, the sources said.

Kelly hasn’t been seen since Thursday and has taken a leave of absence from his job on Fox 5. The station is owned by The Post’s parent company, News Corp.



Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/kelly_kiss_tell_QXfGrayDjKC870hTce99RM#ixzz1lPy8Q8Jn
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 4 Feb, 2012 07:47 am
We see here another case of the American "Justice" system using effective refusal of bail as a form of punishment......according to them it took them 15 months to get around to arresting the guy, and he did not seem to run during those 15 months, but now they need $23 million dollars bail to make sure that he does not run??!!

BULLSHIT!

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Los Angeles (CNN) -- Another teacher has been arrested at Miramonte Elementary School in Los Angeles on allegations of lewd acts on young pupils, authorities said Friday.
Capt. Mike Parker of the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department said that Friday's arrest is "quite different" from the arrest earlier this week of another teacher, Mark Berndt.
Berndt, 61, was accused of taking bondage photos of more than two dozen students in his classroom, some showing suspected semen-filled spoons at the children's mouths, authorities said.
Investigators from the special victims bureau arrested the second teacher, Martin Bernard Springer, 49, of Alhambra, California, on Friday, Parker told reporters. Springer's arrest came after investigators received "new information" on Thursday morning that led them to the teacher.Authorities say that the allegations involved two young girls "who were allegedly fondled in the classroom" by the suspect, Parker said.
The girls were about 7 at the time of the alleged offenses, which occurred "during the past three years," Parker said.
Springer's bail has been set at $2 million, according to Parker.
Los Angeles County prosecutors are reviewing whether to file charges against Springer, a spokeswoman said Friday. "We'll see have to see how far the evidence goes in the latest arrest," spokeswoman Sandi Gibbons told reporters.
Aside from the two teachers being assigned to the same Los Angeles school, "I'm not aware of any connection" between them, Parker said.Parker said he didn't know whether the two teachers allegedly committed offenses against the same pupils.
Berndt, a 30-year teaching veteran, is being held on $23 million bail: $1 million for each of the 23 counts he faces of lewd acts on a child.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/03/justice/california-teacher-bondage-photos/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 02:03 pm
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The office of the Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., concluded its inquiry into the accusation leveled against Mr. Kelly’s son Greg Kelly, a local television anchor, concluding that “the facts established during our investigation do not fit the definition of sexual assault crimes,” according to a brief letter to Mr. Kelly’s lawyer, Andrew M. Lankler. “Therefore, no criminal charges are appropriate.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/08/nyregion/manhattan-prosecutors-wont-charge-police-commissioners-son-in-rape-accusation.html?scp=2&sq=kelly%20rape&st=cse

Nor is the D.A. in any way suggesting that this was a deliberate false accusation, which is why they are not filing charges against this woman.

If Kelly feels she slandered him, he can sue her in civil court, which is the appropriate venue for redress of that sort.

This turned out exactly as most people thought it would, particularly because of the long delay in reporting the alleged rape.

And there was absolutely no excuse for the kind of character-bashing of this woman that went on in the media through all of the anonymous "leaks" that were obviously planted by allies of Kelly.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 02:24 pm
@firefly,
So no problem Firefly with a man name being draw in the mud to cover up the woman having a one night stand and getting pregnant to her boyfriend but you do have a problem with the newspapers being unkind to her.

Cute and of course she being a poor stupid woman had no idea that she got into a sexual relationship of her own free will and therefore should not be punish by the law for filing a false report.

Shaking my head over how silly you are willing to look.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 02:46 pm
@firefly,
Oh Firefly I also love the idea you had just put forward that the sexual assaults laws in NY can now be so unclear that a grown woman with legal training (paralegal) can not tell if she been rape under them or not and therefore could file a rape charge by honest error.

Hmm and a teenage boy with no legal training should somehow find this new invisible line that an adult paralegal could not see in good faith by your reasoning?

Got to love you............
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 03:23 pm
@BillRM,
The laws aren't unclear. But you can't wait 3 months to report a rape, without some supporting evidence to back that up, and really expect rape charges to be brought.

She may genuinely feel she did not consent. If he wasn't using a condom, that would explain why she might not have been consenting about intercourse after having been initially willing to engage with him. And, she might have been willing to live with a rape until a pregnancy and abortion presented her with a different set of consequences of that rape, and then she decided to report it.

There are other explanations possible here beside false accusation.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 03:45 pm
@firefly,
Right Firefly all your excuses are fun to read but this lady by Occam's razor found herself with child and in a relationship with a man who she could not pass off the child on.

SO..........

Dear I was rape rape I tell you as I would never cheat on you and get pregnant by another man.

The dumb boyfriend like you gave her story some credit and hound her to file a police report and the rest is history.

At the minimum this lady name should be a matter of public record so the next man she approach on the streets of NYC can google her name and be warn to keep clear of her.

My poor grandkids as they grow up and every other male for that matter who is not yet in a stable relationship are now at the mercy of such women.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 04:57 pm
@firefly,
Oh Firefly I love the idea that there is no problem in having a man falsely charge with rape in order to cover up an affair and have his name drag in the mud as he can sue her after all!!

Yes sir a paralegal have enough networth to make it worthwhile to spend fifty thousands or so in legal bills to sue her.

Of course he could do it in part as an attempt to get back his good name IE spending more funds of his own because of her misdeeds.

An after he got a meaningless civil judgment again her people like y0u would state that does not prove anything and he still could be a rapist.

As you had posted here once charge there is no way for a man to clear his name.

firefly
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 09:24 pm
@BillRM,
Whoever goes out with Greg Kelly better bring her own condoms--and insist that he use them.

If he's not concerned that he might impregnate someone, or contract a STD, what makes you think he'd be concerned about lack of consent if she said, "Stop, you're not wearing a condom"?
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 09:53 pm
@firefly,
My my Firefly any male who had sex with a woman without using a condom must be a rapist is that your new theory in the Grey Kelly ver Maria Di Toro case?

You know the case where the DA released a letter stating no laws had been broken by Mr. Kelly!

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“After reviewing all the evidence, we have concluded that the established facts do not constitute a crime under New York criminal law,’’ DA rep Joan Vollero said in a statement
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It nice in any case that her name and her picture is now out in the public domain thank to the NYP so the males in the New York area can be place on notice of the dangerous of allowing her to take you to her place of employment after hours for sex in her boss office.

Now did or is her law firm going to be firing her for bringing lovers to her work place after hours for sex?

Somehow any male that had that kind of information came out about him would be looking for another job in short order.

I remember with some amusement when in the 70s a whole section gang <crew that repair railroad tracks> walk into one of the New York and Long Branch railroad draw bridge control houses to find the bridge tender getting busy with his girlfriend and union member or no he was fired at once.

But then the rules are not the same when it come to females misdeeds in the sexual area of life to say the least!!!!!!!
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 9 Feb, 2012 12:59 am
@BillRM,
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Oh Firefly I love the idea that there is no problem in having a man falsely charge with rape in order to cover up an affair and have his name drag in the mud as he can sue her after all!!

You are such a jerk. If anything, this story shoots down all the crap you post about women who have regrets after the fact and then get an innocent man charged with rape--but you're too dumb to realize that Laughing

This man wasn't charged with rape. And his name wasn't dragged through the mud. That's the point of the story. Like any other crime, there has to be evidence to support the allegation, otherwise charges aren't filed. This case lacked evidence, which is why no one was really surprised charges were not filed. So, all your claims about how easy it is to get some innocent man charged with rape are bullshit. That's not how the system works.

So, you were just proven wrong--big time. Laughing

And it wouldn't cost Kelly anything in legal fees if he wanted to sue her for slander or defamation of character--the lawyers in those suits work on a contingency basis. But, if he did that, he'd have to expose his own entire past sexual history, which is why most lawyers don't think he'd pursue that course of action. And he'd have to show she knowingly made false statements about him, and there really isn't evidence of that either.

She, on the other hand, has nothing to lose now by going public and selling her version of the story to the highest bidder, or just telling it without compensation, to try to set the record straight, because she's been so trashed in the tabloids. The prosecutors don't think she was lying. She believes she was too drunk to consent, and they didn't think she was lying about that. There was just no evidence to support her degree of intoxication--not 3 months after the fact--and, in NYS, she would have to be incapacitated and helpless from alcohol for it to be rape. But she might want to go public to explain what she feels happened that night, and why she went to the police.

Her boyfriend may not have cared at all about her one night stand with Kelly, you don't know what kind of relationship they have, or how open it is. He may have cared about the fact that Kelly didn't use a condom and that he got her pregnant and she then had to have an abortion, because that's what he really may have been angry about when he confronted Kelly's father. The pregnancy/abortion may have sent the woman into an emotional nosedive, and her boyfriend may have been genuinely upset by seeing her in that state. This may have nothing to do with her making up a story to appease her boyfriend. It sounds more like the boyfriend genuinely cares about her and feels Kelly really did something to harm her. And he's free to tell his story now too.

So, I don't know that the Post really did Kelly a favor by completely outing the identity of this woman and the identity of her boyfriend. Now they both can go public and drag this story out even longer. And if they want to clear their names and reputations, after all the tabloid smears, they might just do that. And I'm sure they'll find someone in the media who'd want to listen to them and hear their side of it.

So, the D.A, shot down your bullshit claims about how easy it is to get someone charged with rape. And your delight about the fact that the NY Post revealed her name and showed her photo might not be so great if this woman and her boyfriend start making the rounds of the media to tell their version of events, because that's definitely not going to make life easier for Kelly if that happens.
Actually, I'd like to hear this woman's side of the story and the effect that all of this has had on her. It would probably be very interesting.
 

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