Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

Since you've already convicted her of a false accusation, there is no point continuing the discussion with you.

Of course Firefly I am convicted that after going out with the gentleman and then going to her place of employment after hours and having sex in her boss office that the likelihood of it being anything but consensus is very very small indeed.

Not to mention the others factors such as her geting pregnant when in a relationship with a man who could not be the father.

Let see 100 percent possibility that no charges will be file and a 80 percents chance that her story will be blown completely by video cameras or by her not being able to keep the lies going.

Oh sadly unlike the UK if her story is blown no meaning full punishment or no punishment at all will be forthcoming against her.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/da_office_doubts_kelly_rape_claim_0swNrxJIc0zntcz1chYIKJ


DA’s Office doubts woman's claim that she was raped by NYPD Commissioner's son Greg Kelly

Probers suspicious of gal’s delay in reporting commish’s son
By LARRY CELONA, LAURA ITALIANO, JAMIE SCHRAM and DAN MANGAN

Posted: 1:08 AM, January 27, 2012


More Print The Manhattan District Attorney’s Office has serious doubts about a woman’s claims that she was raped by Greg Kelly, the TV-anchor son of Police Commissioner Ray Kelly, and is leaning toward not filing criminal charges, sources told The Post.

Investigators “don’t buy her story,” a source said yesterday of the woman, a law-firm paralegal who told probers that Greg Kelly got her pregnant during the alleged attack and that she had an abortion.

“It sounds like a bunch of BS.”

Another source said, “It sounds like she got caught [cheating] by her boyfriend, and then he forces her hand: ‘If you’re not lying, you better report.’ ”


The DA’s office is suspicious of the accuser for several reasons, including a three-month lag in reporting the alleged rape to police. Sources told The Post last night that the woman doesn’t remember some details of what Kelly did to her — because she was so intoxicated — but claims she knows they had sex and she didn’t consent.

Investigators also have doubts that a rape victim would stay in contact with her supposed attacker, as the woman claims she did, the sources said.

“The length of time” the woman took to complain “is a problem,” the source said.

And “you don’t communicate with someone who raped you.”

Another law-enforcement source echoed the suspicion: “The fact pattern is very suspicious . . . It just reeks of BS.”

And investigators were surprised that her boyfriend would confront Ray Kelly directly at a public event well before she ever contacted cops herself, which the NYPD has confirmed.

Greg Kelly, through his lawyer, has given the DA’s office text messages he exchanged with the woman after the encounter, which he hopes will help him avoid charges, sources said.

The woman claims she was attacked on Oct. 8 in a downtown office after a boozy night with the unmarried Kelly, who is the co-anchor of Fox 5’s “Good Day New York” and a former US Marine.

She told detectives that she met him on the street and that they went out drinking at the South Street Seaport.

They ended up at the Financial District law firm where she works instead of going to her apartment, because her boyfriend was there, she told cops.

The woman believes Kelly sexually assaulted her in the office — but does not recall some details because she was so drunk, sources said. People who saw her leave the law offices later said she did not appear upset, according to the sources.

The woman and Greg Kelly later communicated with each other — reportedly through texts and e-mails — although it is not clear whether she told him she was pregnant, the sources said.



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Oh, Firefly come to think of it would be far easier to explain to family and friends aborting a child if she could claimed that it was conceived during an act of rape.

Yes many reasons indeed to be lying about the matter and once more I question that when she started down this path she had any idea that she would end up being force by pressures of those around her to report this matter as a rape to the police.

Odds are looking at least 50/50 that she will end up confessing to making up the story of being a rape victim.

The New York Post, a great source of unbiased and accurate information.


Gee, I can't imagine why law enforcement would be leaking all sorts of information, which strangely is only about the woman in this matter, with nothing about the man. Could it possibly be to try to discredit the woman in the court of public opinion? And why would law enforcement want to do that? Maybe because she filed the complaint against the Police Commissioner's son? Not that all this leaked stuff is at all biased, naw, it's just all designed to make her look like a liar.

And gullible people, like BillRM, lap it all up and believe it. Which is precisely why these "anonymous leaks" are planted. And the Post will print anything if it helps them to sell papers.

If law enforcement is planting these leaks, it's going to get politically ugly and come back to haunt papa Kelly, the Police Commissioner.

The state routinely tries its case in the court of public opinion, as I have pointed out often. This tactic is unjust, and is rarely commented on, which is alarming. It is natural for a police commissioner and his buddies to think that this is OK, because it happens all the time and is always OK with those in power.

When the leaks happen in the DSK case in the beginning or the outrageous perp walk Firefly did not see anything wrong with it happening but in this case there is something wrong with the leaks showing the woman in a bad light?

Oh information about the man being a sold citizen you mean Firefly as somehow I do not think it likely he will have the baggage that DSK was carrying with him!!!!!!!!!!

However I am sure if there is a woman that he ever went near that has a bad word to say about him it will come out in short order.

In any case this have all the classical signs of a woman lying about there being a rape.

And if there was no rape the sooner that information become public knowledge the better off the public and an innocent man will be.

The prosecutor's office is not doing the leaking,

These planted leaks are all designed to make this woman look bad, to suggest she is lying, and to imply that even the D.A. feels she lacks credibility. It's a rather concerted effort to discredit her. And Greg Kelly, the man she's lodged the complaint against, is part of the media, and likely has enough connections in both the media and law enforcement to get these "leaks" both manufactured and planted as preemptive damage control, and to try to put pressure on both the woman and Vance not to move forward with this case.

The D.A.'s office is under no time pressure to complete their investigation of this matter. I suspect they will take their time and wait for the publicity and the leaks to die down. They can't allow themselves to be influenced by any of it. They just have to do their own investigation and see where it takes them.

The political aspects of this situation, because of the connection to the Police Commissioner, are much more interesting than the rape allegation which is just another date rape case.

You mean that the information is not as one sided as in the case of DSK in the beginning Firefly?

Yes she picked on the wrong man but that fact does not change the informations coming out that show that the likelihood of a rape is almost zero is wrong.

I do not think that anyone with a woman claiming he is a rapist would view that claim as just another claim date rape case.

Does not matter, when organs of the state routinely pull this stunt other fuctionaries of the state are going to get it into their heads that this is a good idea and is an approved practice. When you see the police commissioner pull this (if it turns out that him or his friends did) then you should be joining me in calling for DA's to clean up their act.

This is another opportunity to decry that the DA post is such a political one. This is in the best interests of no one. If we ever decide to fix our broken justice system depoliticizing the DA job would be a very productive place to start.

You have a very bad memory. I thought all the leaks in the DSK case were wrong and I kept saying I wasn't interested in discussing leaks, I wanted to wait for the trial.

I am not bothered by "perp walks" that's only the media getting their photo op with someone who's arrested and in police custody.

And I've already said that, in this case, I think the media is wrong to give the story so much publicity prior to an investigation, let alone an arrest. I don't think that's fair to the man involved, but I suppose there was no way they would let this story slide by given the fact that the man is a media personality and his dad is the NYC Police Commissioner.

Comment once more we would be better off in adopting the UK position that any woman who falsely charge rape and put a man through hell as a result deserve at least a few years behind bars.

I'm not sure it is possible, or even desirable, to do that. I certainly don't want to see D.A.s appointed rather than elected.

There is always a certain degree of tension between the Police Commissioner and the D.A., this case just ramps it up a few notches.

I doubt the PC is involved with any of the leaking, but well meaning friends in the NYPD could do it for him, and Greg Kelly has enough media connections, and well meaning friends in the media, to get derogatory stories about his accuser planted in the tabloids. This is the classic defense stragegy--discredit the woman.

The only verified info is that the D.A.s office is conducting an investigation regarding a rape allegation against Greg Kelly. That's it. All is rest is "leaked" and from unnamed sources, ostensibly in law enforcement, and I'm not inclined to trust it because the content seems too orchestrated in the direction of discrediting the woman and it all sounds like PR on Kelly's behalf.

Does Firefly work for the NYT?



http://www.washingtonpost.com/kathleen-
parker/2011/02/24/ABsg1XN_page.html


Patrick Witt and the New York Times’ rush to judgment
Text Size PrintE-mailReprintsBy Kathleen Parker, Published: January 27

A  New York Times story on Friday that essentially indicted and convicted a 22-year-old star football player on an alleged sexual assault charge by an anonymous accuser should have begun as follows:

“We know absolutely nothing about this rumor except what six people told us anonymously about this guy who they say sexually assaulted this girl. We don’t know who she is or what she said, or really anything, but here’s HIS name and what ‘they’ say about him.”

.Instead, with throat-clearing authority, the story begins with the young man’s name — Patrick J. Witt, Yale University’s former quarterback — and his announcement last fall that he was withdrawing his Rhodes scholarship application so that he could play against Harvard. The game was scheduled the same day as the scholarship interview.

Next we are told that he actually had withdrawn his application for the scholarship after the Rhodes Trust had learned “through unofficial channels that a fellow student had accused Witt of sexual assault.” And there goes the gavel. Case closed.

But in fact, no one seems to know much of anything, and no one in an official capacity is talking. The only people advancing this devastating and sordid tale are “a half-dozen [anonymous] people with knowledge of all or part of the story.” All or part? Which part? As in, “Heard any good gossip lately?”

A statement Friday afternoon on Witt’s behalf denied any connection between his withdrawal from the Rhodes application process and the alleged assault. Moreover, when Witt requested a formal inquiry into the allegations, he says, the university declined. “No formal complaint was filed, no written statement was taken from anyone involved, and his request . . . for a formal inquiry was denied because, he was told, there was nothing to defend against,” according to the statement.

The Times apparently didn’t know these facts, but shouldn’t it have known them before publishing the story? It’s not until the 11th paragraph that readers even learn about the half-dozen anonymous sources. Not until the 14th paragraph does the Times tell us that “many aspects of the situation remain unknown, including some details of the allegation against Witt; how he responded; how it was resolved; and whether Yale officials who handle Rhodes applications — including Richard C. Levin, the university’s president, who signed Witt’s endorsement letter — knew of the complaint.”

Translation: We don’t know anything, but we’re smearing this guy anyway.

Without any facts, it would have been easy enough to conclude that Witt withdrew his Rhodes application because he was guilty of something, as the Times implied. But this would have been an assumption based on an allegation circulated by anonymous accusers. There’s not much meat there, except the red kind, metaphorically speaking, that sends mobs in search of their pitchforks.

It also could have been possible that Witt wanted to preempt the inevitable investigation and humiliation. Whether the charge of “sexual assault,” whatever that is, was ever true is irrelevant to the immediate and substantively unfounded assault on Witt’s character.

By now readers have made the inevitable association to the infamous Duke lacrosse case and the media’s rush to judgment when three young men were accused of assaulting an exotic dancer hired to perform at a team party. The teammates eventually were exonerated, but not before their lives had been ruined by an over-eager prosecutor and a community inclined to believe the worst about jocks.

Who knows what “assault” even means as used in this case? The definition of assault can range from “unwanted sexual advance” to rape as most understand it. As long as we’re making inferences based on anonymous allegations, an inquisition by any other name, we might just as readily conclude that this was no rape. The accuser first reported whatever happened to the university’s Politburo-sounding “Sexual Harassment and Assault Response & Education Center,” then later filed an informal complaint with the “University-Wide Committee on Sexual Misconduct.” Why not just call it “The Torquemada Institute”?

If the young woman believes that she was assaulted, one hopes that she gets the help she needs. This is no apology for bad behavior — and no indictment of Witt’s accuser. It is a plea for due process for Witt and others similarly accused. By anyone’s understanding of fairness, Witt has been unjustly condemned by nameless accusers and a complicit press.

Of course, knowing full well that he wishes it so. Police do the same thing when reporters to calling, knowing full well the lines that the DA wants to see written without being told.



there used to be a lot more, back when DA's took their duties to perform justice more seriously. Now that there is general agreement that police and the DA's office has as their prime job to get the bums off the streets one way or another this tension is gone. The rank and file cops are never going to be happy that the DA will occasionally go after cops for misconduct, but the cop bosses dont want rogue cops out on the streets any more than the DA does. And dont hold your breath waiting for the DA to nail cop bosses, it was the feds who got Kerik, nothing so far as I know ever happened to Kelly for ordering that crime statistics be forged.


http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-01-21/news/30651712_1_crime-victims-police-officers-report-crimes
HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!

But since our "justice" system so rarely has a trial, so rarely has an accounting of the facts, this basically boils down to call from you to stfu up about the case.

This matter from the known facts up to this point is not even going to see an indictment less alone a trial.

But as Firefly had already stated the poor man name is not going to be clear by a failure to indicted him and if he is try and found innocent that would be meaningless to Firefly also!!!!!!!

Love this so call justice system and people like Firefly.

I don't care if you and lamebrain BillRM want to feed on the planted leaks, I just find that meaningless, particularly in a case that's still in the investigation stage, and where no real reliable info has been released. The two of you enjoy gossiping, which is what that amounts to.

And neither of you are actually discussing the case. Both of you are simply going into your usual tired rants--you carp about the government and the justice system, and BillRM harps about false allegations--and those recycled, self-indulgent displays contain no new ideas, and they simply reveal the impoverishment of thought you both share. The two of you enjoy being repetitive because your thinking is too limited to do much else. It all winds up being quite bor-ing, which is why the two of you always wind up talking only to each other. And, what's really funny is that the two of you don't really listen to each other either.

Because letting our "justice" system operate in complete secrecy is such a better option than is using what little information we have to try to evaluate its performance......The root problem is the lack of transparency of the system, a problem which is both caused by and can be fixed by those who run the the system, but I admire the size of your balls which allows you to cast dispersion on those of us who care enough to try to figure out what our "justice" system is doing.