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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
smcmonagle
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 01:48 pm
@BillRM,
Agreed a sexual partner who conceives doesn't make a family, however with a "sexual partner" you tend to be extra careful with for that reason, she/he is just a "sexual partner"
What was natural and the way things worked is what we call "accidents" now. So a man has a moral decision, stay or leave. Stay and provide or leave and provide. There really isnt anyway around that.
This is all rooted in the advent of any form of birth control. Playing "god" in a situation so instinctive to block the formation of life when the physical urge is there. For all we know, godly speaking, that may be the way of proper evolution.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 01:59 pm
@hawkeye10,
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since pre natal DNA testing is still risky


That is likely to be a short term problem as if memory serve me correctly there .are safe blood tests that can be done on the mother coming on line shortly.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 04:54 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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since pre natal DNA testing is still risky


That is likely to be a short term problem as if memory serve me correctly there .are safe blood tests that can be done on the mother coming on line shortly.


Cool, that makes this problem of men being deprived o our rights easier to solve.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2011 12:10 pm
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SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Authorities allege a woman was so determined to convince her husband of a need to move to a safer neighborhood that she faked being raped.
She split her own lip with a pin, scraped her knuckles with sandpaper, had her friend punch her in the face, and even wet her pants to give the appearance she had been knocked unconscious, authorities said Friday.
Charges filed by the Sacramento County district attorney allege Laurie Ann Martinez, a prison psychologist, conspired with the friend to create the appearance that she was beaten, robbed and raped by a stranger in April in her Sacramento home.
Police detectives and crime scene investigators spent hundreds of hours on the case, until one of Martinez's prison co-workers came forward to say Martinez had been talking at work about faking a crime at her home to persuade her husband to move, Sacramento police Sgt. Andrew Pettit said Friday.
Martinez, her friend and two co-workers eventually told police the whole thing was a setup to convince Martinez's husband that they needed to move from a blighted, high-crime area three miles north of the state Capitol.
It didn't work. Instead, the couple filed for divorce six weeks after the April 10 incident, according to court records.


http://news.yahoo.com/calif-prison-psychologist-accused-faking-rape-204223257.html

A bit of an unusual twist, but consistent with what we know about how women lie about rape while in pursuit of what they want.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2011 02:41 pm
The military rape law had been change back by congress so those charge with rape do not need to prove they are innocence of having sex with a "too" drunk partner.

Love the idea I was too drunk to consent to sex and the burden is on you to prove that I was not too drunk!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/military/congress-tries-again-to-get-military-sexual-assault-laws-right/article_ffc81904-e4c5-5813-8203-c821f91af786.html


Congress tries again to get military sexual assault laws right
StoryDiscussionCongress tries again to get military sexual assault laws right
By MICHAEL DOYLE and MARISA TAYLOR McClatchy Newspapers North County Times | Posted: Friday, December 16, 2011 7:00 am | No Comments Posted

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.WASHINGTON ---- Congress is quietly giving itself a do-over on the military sexual assault law it botched the last time around.

The changes included in a massive defense bill attempt to correct Congress' own mistakes, which baffled military judges called "arguably absurd," ''almost incomprehensible" and ultimately "unconstitutional."

But unlike their last ill-fated effort, when lawmakers trumpeted their revisions to the military's criminal code, this rewrite is flying below the political radar. Discreetly folded into the middle of a 1,844-page defense bill, the new changes have never been debated publicly.

"It wouldn't have been such a mess had Congress decided to hold some real hearings before enacting this legislation," said Eugene Fidell, a former military attorney who now teaches military law at Yale Law School. "I don't have any confidence in what they're going to do. It'll be guesswork or luck if Congress gets this right."

The Uniform Code of Military Justice changes, as well as other sexual assault provisions, are included in legislation that authorizes Defense Department spending for fiscal 2012. Negotiators agreed to the $662 billion bill Monday, and lawmakers are scheduled to approve it as early as Wednesday.

The legislation attracted controversy over extensively debated terrorist detention provisions.

Yet the criminal provisions that could affect many U.S. servicemen and women elicited little or no congressional discussion. The House Armed Services Committee, for one, has held more than 100 hearings this year. None dealt with the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

"The dynamic within the House and Senate armed services committees is basically they have private conversations with the Pentagon about military justice matters and then they enact something, leaving everyone else to speculate about what they did and why," Fidell said.

Sexual assault confronts lawmakers with a particularly complex and politically sensitive area of the law.

In fiscal 2010, 3,158 sexual assaults were counted by the Defense Department's Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Office. Military officials acknowledge many assaults are never reported.

Trying to crack down, Congress six years ago changed sexual assault provisions by shifting the burden of proof to defendants who were claiming the sex was consensual, and it made it easier for prosecutors to claim an alleged victim was incapacitated because of intoxication."One of the reasons we made the effort to change (the law) was to get prosecutions," Rep. Loretta Sanchez, D-Calif. said at the time.

But in a February 2011 ruling that dismissed the conviction of former Travis Air Force Base enlisted man Stephen Prather, judges declared that shifting the burden of proof as Congress did was unconstitutional. The ruling following harsh denunciations of the law by myriad military judges.

"This law has messed up a lot of people's lives," Prather, who now lives in Houston, told McClatchy Newspapers earlier this year. "My life is ruined, all for something that should have never been a crime to begin with."

The new defense bill reverses the earlier burden-shifting changes. The Senate Armed Services Committee originated the revisions but did not hold a hearing on the subject. The revisions have never been explained on the Senate floor.

Dwight Sullivan, acting chief of the Air Force Defense Division, said the revisions don't completely clear up confusion over a defendant's ability to argue that a victim consented to sex. He suspected that the drafters thought that a lack of consent was an implicit element of rape and sexual assault, and therefore don't address it directly.

"The statute, though clearly more coherent than its predecessor, still seems a bit muddled," he said.

The new bill also boosts the number of personnel dealing with sexual assault and beefs up training for troops. This shows political commitment to the cause, though effectiveness is harder to prove.

Current troop training was described as "marginally effective" by a 2009 Pentagon task force. Troops found the training boring, complaining of "death by PowerPoint," and the task force reported that "personnel did not pay close attention" to the required training.

"If the training is bad or it's not being heard by the people who need to hear it, then the military is wasting tens of millions of dollars," said Phil Cave, a civilian attorney and retired Navy judge advocate. "Right now, the training is flawed."

Trainers, for instance, have incorrectly claimed a woman can't consent after one alcoholic drink. Judges, in response, have had to instruct potential jurors to ignore their training. During the sexual assault court-martial of Marine Corps Staff Sgt. Jamie Walton, for instance, one juror was dismissed because he couldn't reconcile the conflict between his training and the legal instructions.

The new defense bill orders the hiring of an estimated 650 additional civilians as victims advocates or sexual assault response coordinators. The Pentagon will now spend an estimated $309 million in the next five years on sexual assault response personnel.

These advocates and coordinators can run interference for victims and strengthen training for all. Their sympathies also can complicate court proceedings.

The new defense bill adopts some of the Pentagon task force's recommendations; for instance, in shielding conversations between victims' advocates and accusers, similar to the privilege granted psychologists.

"We want individuals to be able to come forward so that we can help them," Air Force Brig. Gen. Sharon Dunbar told a House panel last year. "And if they know that the individual that is designated ... can also testify against them, many of the victims are loath to come forward."

The privilege, however, has sparked concern that it would block defendants from obtaining evidence that would help clear them — such as conflicting statements by the accuser to an advocate about an alleged rape.

None of the legislative changes are expected to address broader problems with the military's handling of rape cases. A McClatchy Newspapers analysis found that the military is prosecuting a growing number of sexual assault allegations, including highly contested cases that would be unlikely to go to trial in many civilian courts. Yet only 27 percent of the defendants were convicted of those offenses or other serious crimes in 2009 and 2010, McClatchy Newspapers reported.



Read more: http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/military/congress-tries-again-to-get-military-sexual-assault-laws-right/article_ffc81904-e4c5-5813-8203-c821f91af786.html#ixzz1gv8LEAxw
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2011 03:00 pm
@BillRM,
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Love the idea I was too drunk to consent to sex and the burden is on you to prove that I was not too drunk!!!!!!!!!!


Innocent till proven guilty?? Not in sex law, it does not need to conform to the Constitution. It is only a matter a of time before we apply the same theory to treason as so many oppressive regimes have done all up and down history.

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"One of the reasons we made the effort to change (the law) was to get prosecutions," Rep. Loretta Sanchez, D-Calif. said at the time.


Justice be damned when hammering more men is the objective.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jan, 2012 06:34 am
Pumping up and rigging the numbers so the fireflies of the world can claim that rape is increasing instead of decreasing sharply.


US redefines rape to count more people as victims
By PETE YOST, Associated Press – 3 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration says it is expanding the FBI's more than eight-decade-old definition of rape to reflect a better understanding of the crime and to broaden protections.

The new definition counts men as victims for the first time and drops the requirement that victims must have physically resisted their attackers.

Vice President Joe Biden, author of the Violence Against Women Act when he was in the Senate, said the new definition announced Friday is a victory for women and men "whose suffering has gone unaccounted for over 80 years." Calling rape a "devastating crime," the vice president said, "We can't solve it unless we know the full extent of it."

The change will increase the number of people counted as rape victims in FBI statistics but will not will not change federal or state laws or alter charges or prosecutions. It's an important shift because lawmakers and policymakers use crime statistics to allocate money and other resources for prevention and victim assistance.

The White House said the expanded definition has been long awaited as many states and research groups made similar changes in their definitions of rape over recent decades.

Since 1929, the FBI has defined rape as the carnal knowledge of a female, forcibly and against her will. The revised definition covers any gender of victim or attacker and includes instances in which the victim is incapable of giving consent because of the influence of drugs or alcohol or because of age. Physical resistance is not required. The Justice Department said the new definition mirrors the majority of state rape statutes now on the books.

Congress approved $592 million this year to address violence against women, including sexual assault, domestic violence, dating violence and stalking, under the Violence Against Women Act and Family Violence Prevention and Services Act. Of that amount, $23 million goes to a sexual assault services program and $39 million to a rape prevention and education program administered by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The Obama administration had sought $777 million to combat violence against women.

The change likely will result in big increases in the number of reported rapes, but it was not immediately clear how big. To take just one example of how the FBI totals will change, Chicago didn't report any rapes to the FBI for 2010 because its broad definition of the crime didn't match the FBI's narrow definition.

The change has been sought by women's groups for more than a decade.

The Women's Law Project, on behalf of more than 80 sexual assault coalitions and national organizations concerned about violence against women, wrote FBI Director Robert Mueller in 2001 that the narrow definition reflected gender-based stereotypes and requested it be changed.

Using the old definition, a total of 84,767 rapes were reported nationwide in 2010, according to the FBI's uniform crime report based on data from 18,000 law enforcement agencies.

Nearly 1 in 5 women and 1 in 71 men in the U.S. have been raped at some time in their lives, according to a 2010 survey by the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which used a broader definition.

The revised FBI definition says that rape is "the penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object," without the consent of the victim. Also constituting rape under the new definition is "oral penetration by a sex organ of another person" without consent.

Copyright © 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2012 06:00 pm
Men don't "ask to get raped" either...
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The New York Times
January 23, 2012
Men Struggle for Rape Awareness
By RONI CARYN RABIN

Keith Smith was 14 when he was raped by a driver who picked him up after a hockey team meeting. He had hitchhiked home, which is why, for decades, he continued to blame himself for the assault.

When the driver barreled past Hartley’s Pork Pies on the outskirts of Providence, R.I., where Mr. Smith had asked to be dropped off, and then past a firehouse, he knew something was wrong.

“I tried to open the car door, but he had rigged the lock,” said Mr. Smith, of East Windsor, N.J., now 52. Still, he said, “I had no idea it was going to be a sexual assault.”

Even today, years after the disclosure of the still-unfolding child abuse scandal in the Catholic Church and the arrest of a former Pennsylvania State University assistant football coach accused of sexually abusing boys, rape is widely thought of as a crime against women.

Until just a few weeks ago, when the federal government expanded its definition of rape to include a wider range of sexual assaults, national crime statistics on rape included only assaults against women and girls committed by men under a narrow set of circumstances. Now they will also include male victims.

While most experts agree women are raped far more often than men, 1.4 percent of men in a recent national survey said they had been raped at some point. The study, by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, found that when rape was defined as oral or anal penetration, one in 71 men said they had been raped or had been the target of attempted rape, usually by a man they knew. (The study did not include men in prison.)

And one in 21 said they had been forced to penetrate an acquaintance or a partner, usually a woman; had been the victim of an attempt to force penetration; or had been made to receive oral sex.

Other estimates have run even higher. A Department of Justice report found that 3 percent of men, or one in 33, had been raped. Some experts believe that one in six men have experienced unwanted sexual contact of some kind as minors.

But for many men, the subject is so discomfiting that it is rarely discussed — virtually taboo, experts say, because of societal notions about masculinity and the idea that men are invulnerable and can take care of themselves.

“We have a cultural blind spot about this,” said David Lisak, a clinical psychologist who has done research on interpersonal violence and sexual abuse and is a founding board member of 1in6, an organization that offers information and services to men who had unwanted or abusive sexual experiences as children.

“We recognize that male children are being abused,” Dr. Lisak said, “but then when boys cross some kind of threshold somewhere in adolescence and become what we perceive to be men, we no longer want to think about it in this way.”

Even when high-profile cases dominate the news, said Mai Fernandez, executive director of the National Center for Victims of Crime advocacy organization in Washington, “attention goes to the things we feel more comfortable talking about — such as whether Penn State had done enough, and what will happen to their football program — and not to the question, ‘What do we do to prevent boys from being sexually assaulted?’ ”

In an interview with The Washington Post this month, Joe Paterno, the Penn State football coach who was fired after the abuse scandal erupted and who died of lung cancer on Sunday, said that when an assistant had told him about witnessing an inappropriate encounter between a young boy and Jerry Sandusky, the former assistant coach who is facing charges of sexual abuse, he had been confused and unsure how to proceed. Mr. Paterno said the assistant “didn’t want to get specific. And to be frank with you, I don’t know that it would have done any good, because I never heard of, of rape and a man.”

Much of the research on the sexual assault of men has focused on prisons. But men are also raped outside of prison, usually by people they know, including acquaintances and intimate partners, but occasionally by complete strangers. They are raped as part of violent, drunken or drug-induced assaults; war crimes; interrogations; antigay bias crimes; and hazing rites for male clubs and organizations, like fraternities, and in the military.

In one study of 3,337 military veterans applying for disability benefits for post-traumatic stress disorder, 6.5 percent of male combat veterans and 16.5 percent of noncombat veterans reported either in-service or post-service sexual assault. (The rates were far higher for female veterans, 69.0 percent and 86.6 percent respectively.)

A Pentagon report released on Thursday found a 64 percent increase in sexual crimes in the Army since 2006, with rape, sexual assault and forcible sodomy the most frequent violent sex crimes committed last year; 95 percent of all victims were women.

Some studies have reported that the risk of rape is greatest for men who are young, are living in poverty or homeless, or are disabled or mentally ill. The C.D.C. study found that one-quarter of men who had been raped were assaulted before they were 10 , usually by someone they knew.

And young men raised by poor single mothers are especially vulnerable to male predators, said Dr. Zane Gates, an internist who cares for low-income patients on Medicaid at a community health center in Altoona, Pa.

“You’re looking for a male figure in your life desperately, and you’ll give anything for that,” he said.

Eugene Porter, a therapist in Oakland, Calif., and the author of the book “Treating the Young Male Victim of Sexual Assault,” said that while some assailants seek power and dominance, others “find that aggression enhances their sexual experience.”

“There is no arena in which rape takes place between men and women that it does not take place between men and men,” he said.

Like women, men who are raped feel violated and ashamed and may become severely depressed or suicidal. They are at increased risk for substance abuse, problems with interpersonal relationships, physical impairments, chronic pain, insomnia and other health problems.

But men also face a challenge to their sense of masculinity. Many feel they should have done more to fight off their attackers. Since they may believe that men are never raped, they may feel isolated and reluctant to confide in anyone. Male rape victims may become confused about their sexual orientation or, if gay and raped by a man, blame their sexual orientation for the rape.

“If you’re sexually assaulted, there’s this idea that you’re no longer a man,” said Neil Irvin, executive director of the organization Men Can Stop Rape. “The violence is ignored, and your sexual orientation and gender are confronted.”

Many rape crisis centers — which often also provide services for victims of domestic violence — do not have the resources to counsel male victims. Remarkably few male victims seek professional help for injuries, screening for sexually transmitted diseases or counseling after an attack, often waiting years or decades.

One study of 705 men in Virginia found that 91, or 13 percent, had been sexually assaulted, a vast majority of them before they turned 18. Fewer than one-fifth of victims had ever received professional services related to the assault.

“Men are affected — they have high rates of P.T.S.D. and depression — but the majority don’t get help,” said Dr. Saba W. Masho, the lead author of the Virginia study and an associate professor of epidemiology and community health at Virginia Commonwealth University. “It’s easy for you and I to talk about it, but when you put yourself in that victim’s shoes, they’re asking, ‘Do I want people to know? How do I seek help? Do I want my doctor to know? Where do I go?’ ”

Mr. Smith told his older brother and father about what had happened as soon as he got home, and the three went to the police to file a report. Mr. Smith had memorized the license plate number of the car, and the owner, who was known to the police because of a conviction for distributing pornography, was arrested. He was killed on the streets of Providence before he could stand trial.

Today, Mr. Smith is a member of the speakers bureau for Rainn, the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network, which provides online counseling for victims. For years, he said, he suffered from nightmares in which he was fleeing his assailant’s car, scared that the man, who had handed him $10 and dropped him off almost three hours after picking him up, was coming back.

“I was waking up screaming,” he said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/24/health/as-victims-men-struggle-for-rape-awareness.html?hpw

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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 08:36 am
Well perhaps Vance had learn his lesson and is going to investigate this time before arresting a high profile man and doing a perp walk with him.

The sad fact is that this woman is given the power to drag a man name in the mud and is protected herself at the same time.

And if she is found to had make an unfounded claim of rape oh well girls will be girls it would seems.



http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/top-cops-star-son-accused-of-rape/story-fn6e1m7z-1226254834872


A SON of the New York Police Department’s commissioner is being investigated over an alleged sexual assault, sources have said.

NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's newsman son, Greg, was being investigated for allegedly sexually assaulting a woman in lower Manhattan, sources told the New York Post.

The woman filed the complaint Tuesday against Greg Kelly - the co-host of FOX affiliate WNYW-TV's "Good Day New York" morning show - alleging that she was sexually assaulted last October, the sources said.

The case was being investigated by the Manhattan District Attorney's Office because of the conflict of interest present within the NYPD, according to the sources.

Greg Kelly's lawyer, Andrew Lankler, "strenuously denied" the allegation.

"Mr Kelly strenuously denies any wrongdoing of any kind, and is cooperating fully with the district attorney's investigation. We know the district attorney's investigation will prove Mr Kelly's innocence."

A police spokesman referred all questions to the Manhattan District Attorney's office. A spokeswoman for District Attorney Cyrus Vance declined to comment.

firefly
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 11:31 am
@BillRM,
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Well perhaps Vance had learn his lesson and is going to investigate this time before arresting a high profile man

You seem to miss an essential aspect of this story--it is really without precedent that the entire police department is being excluded from a criminal investigation. The entire investigation is being done by the D.A.'s office because this involves the Police Commisioner's son. Because of the political implications, it is essential that the investigation be thorough and not appear to be dismissive of the woman's complaint.
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The sad fact is that this woman is given the power to drag a man name in the mud and is protected herself at the same time.

The woman is entited to file a criminal complaint if she feels she was raped. She's not dragging this man's name through the mud, the media is. And she's not legally "protected"--it's the media who choose not to report her name. They are free to identify her if they choose to do so.

The question is why the media is doing this to a man who has not even been arrested.
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And if she is found to had make an unfounded claim of rape oh well girls will be girls it would seems.

If the claim cannot be supported by sufficient evidence, there will be no case against the man, but that does not mean the accusation was false. If they can determine that the rape claim was a deliberate false accusation, or made for malicious reasons, you can be sure this woman will be charged with filing a false police report as well as being hit with a civil lawsuit by the man involved.

Instead of focusing on the woman, you really should be wondering why the media is more concerned with covering a sensational story than protecting the identity and reputation of a well known man who hasn't even been arrested for anything. If you weren't so intent on bashing women, you'd be able to see the real culprit in this situation.



BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 11:47 am
@firefly,
Sorry dear but most states still have on the law books punishments for daring to reveal a poor so call victim name even it those laws have problems with the constitution and people like you who would beat your females chests if a so call victim is treated like anyone else filing a criminal charge.

And you are right once a charge is file there is no way in hell for an innocent man to clear his name completely.

So any woman no matter who she is or if she even know the man for that matter have the power to harm a man good name at her whim and keep her name from being reveal to the public.

Lovely one sided justice system we had allow to come into being.
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 12:04 pm
@BillRM,
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Sorry dear but most states still have on the law books punishments for daring to reveal a poor so call victim name even it those laws have problems with the constitution and people like you who would beat your females chests if a so call victim is treated like anyone else filing a criminal charge.

New York State has no such law.
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So any woman no matter who she is or if she even know the man for that matter have the power to harm a man good name at her whim and keep her name from being reveal to the public

Please tell me which states do have a law preventing the media from revealing the name of a crime victim.

The woman didn't make this man's name public--the media did that.

You seem to resent the fact that the woman even filed a police report.
Are you saying that women shouldn't have a Constitutional right to make criminal complaints if they feel they have been victims of crimes?

No one says that anyone can accuse another person of a crime "at whim"--and if the woman in this case has made a deliberately false accusation, you can be sure she will be criminally and civilly charged.





BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 12:17 pm
@firefly,
My state Florida come to mind even if the courts had declare you can not enforce it the last I look it is still on the books.

In order to get around the constitution in this matter Florida had added the following.

http://www.ehow.com/list_6685126_florida-rape-laws.html

Privacy Law
Florida rape law does not permit public employees to disclose names or information about sexual battery or rape victims to people not directly involved in handling the case. Violation of this law is considered to be a second-degree misdemeanor.

Sorry the courts had end stop us from enforcing the law on revealing the name of so call rape victims but such records are not a matter of public record and we will jail any state employee that reveal the names.





BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 12:36 pm
@firefly,
Here is the law in Florida that can not be enforce any longer but is still on the law books and somehow I question if a similar situation does not exist in New York State.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0794/0794.html

.03 Unlawful to publish or broadcast information identifying sexual offense victim.—No person shall print, publish, or broadcast, or cause or allow to be printed, published, or broadcast, in any instrument of mass communication the name, address, or other identifying fact or information of the victim of any sexual offense within this chapter, except as provided in s. 119.071(2)(h) or unless the court determines that such information is no longer confidential and exempt pursuant to s. 92.56. An offense under this section shall constitute a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
History.—s. 1, ch. 6226, 1911; RGS 5053; CGL 7155; s. 2, ch. 74-121; s. 16, ch. 75-298; s. 180, ch. 91-224; s. 1, ch. 94-88; s. 430, ch. 96-406; s. 6, ch. 2008-234.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 12:39 pm
@BillRM,
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Privacy Law
Florida rape law does not permit public employees to disclose names or information about sexual battery or rape victims to people not directly involved in handling the case. Violation of this law is considered to be a second-degree misdemeanor.

That says nothing about preventing the media from revealing the names of victims.

In the case in NYC that we are discussing, nothing prohibits the media from disclosing her name--nor can you find laws in any other state that prohibit the media from disclosing victim names. Don't tell me about laws that can't be enforced or which have been repealed.

It is the media, and not the woman who filed the criminal rape complaint, who are exposing the man to unnecessary publicity, given the fact he has not even been arrested.

Woman have Constitutional rights to file criminal complaints if they feel they have been the victim of crimes.

I fail to see where you are making any valid point regarding this case. You are just trying to find another lame excuse for bashing women. The culprit in this case is the media.

It's a sensational story because he's the Police Commissioner's son and because he is well known in his own right, and the media is blowing it up for those reasons, without even waiting for the investigation or for an arrest.



BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 12:41 pm
@firefly,
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The woman didn't make this man's name public--the media did that.


LOL it is never the woman fault for the bad things that tend to happen when a woman file a false charge of sexual assault on a man.

It law enforcement fault for believing her and arresting him and it is the news fault for publishing his name and on and on.................

You should hang your head in shame.............
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 12:55 pm
@BillRM,
So you are already accusing this woman of making a false accusation?

Nice double standard you have--he is innocent before being proved guilty, but she isn't it.

I repeat...
Women have a Constitutional right to file criminal complaints if they feel they have been the victims of crimes.

This is just your usual woman-bashing bullshit.

I feel the media was wrong to disclose this man's identity before an investigation and an arrest. They are subjecting him to unnecessary negative publicity.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 12:57 pm
@firefly,
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That says nothing about preventing the media from revealing the names of victims.


Once more here it is for florida.......

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0794/0794.html

.03 Unlawful to publish or broadcast information identifying sexual offense victim.—No person shall print, publish, or broadcast, or cause or allow to be printed, published, or broadcast, in any instrument of mass communication the name, address, or other identifying fact or information of the victim of any sexual offense within this chapter, except as provided in s. 119.071(2)(h) or unless the court determines that such information is no longer confidential and exempt pursuant to s. 92.56. An offense under this section shall constitute a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
History.—s. 1, ch. 6226, 1911; RGS 5053; CGL 7155; s. 2, ch. 74-121; s. 16, ch. 75-298; s. 180, ch. 91-224; s. 1, ch. 94-88; s. 430, ch. 96-406; s. 6, ch. 2008-234.

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the case in NYC that we are discussing, nothing prohibits the media from disclosing her name--nor can you find laws in any other state that prohibit the media from disclosing victim names. Don't tell me about laws that can't be enforced or which have been repealed.


Lol where had you shown proof of your claims that no such law exist in New York state?

As far as not being enforce they are free to try to do so as long as it is on the book and perhaps bankruptcy you before you can get it dismiss.
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 01:03 pm
@BillRM,
When you can discuss this case without your obvious bias against women, I might respond to your comments.

I'm not listening to your usual woman-bashing bullshit.

The woman had a right to file a criminal complaint if she genuinely believes she was a rape victim.
If she has made a deliberately false accusation, I have no doubt she will face criminal penalties and will probably be hit with a civil lawsuit.

The media should not have disclosed his name prior to an invesigation or arrest.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 01:05 pm
@firefly,
The odds are at least 50/50 that this is a bullshit charge in my opinion and the harm had already been done to the gentleman before any charge had even been file by the DA if it going to be.

Because as you had said even if the case is drop it does not mean he is not guilt so to put it another way for the rest of his life even if completely innocent his good name will have a question mark behind it.

Any woman can harm any man innocent or guilty of a sexual crime for the rest of his life while remaining hidden herself.

A completely one side system that should be ended at once.
 

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