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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2011 01:26 pm
@BillRM,
The feminist claim that women rarely lie is a known lie, and their assertion that women should not be sanctioned when they lie about sexual assault is not going to fly. We see here a case where trying to advance a Bull **** assertion carries costs for the feminists, as having sacrificed credibility we see the state unwilling to carry more water for the feminist in their mission to hurt men. Trying to move towards allowing women a free shot at ruining men's lives with a sex charge is clearly an attempt to further oppress men.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2011 01:38 pm
@BillRM,
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Firefly had complained that my false rape stories are old

No, my main complaint was that they were irrelevant to the article I posted about the rapes of two 12 year olds, acts which were videotaped--a case that has nothing, at all, to do with the issue of false accusations.

The fact that you trot out any false accusation articles, in response to that particular news story, clearly shows you have no interest in discussing the topic of rape--the actual rapes which occur--and your only interest is in compulsively harping on rapes which never took place.

And for your latest story, you dug one up from a country on the other side of the globe, where the woman was penalized for making a false report, something you are always complaining never happens.

Don't bother to post any more of them, if you were doing it for my benefit.

You're just plain tiresome.

You and Hawkeye are a perfect match.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2011 01:48 pm
@firefly,
There is no issue by anyone here Firefly that raping 12 years old is bad and should be punish your postings of such is just an attempt to paint all men as evil and rapists in waiting otherwise there would be no repeat no purpose or point to posting this sad event and your posting had nothing in any case with the tropic of the thread that for damn sure.

You are the same as our racist friend Tabludama postings one picture after another of evil looking black men charge with rape or assault and implying that most or all black men are rapists by do doing.

You do not care the color of the skin just if the person had a penis or not.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2011 02:11 pm
@BillRM,
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There is no issue by anyone here Firefly that raping 12 years old is bad and should be punish your postings of such is just an attempt to paint all men as evil and rapists in waiting otherwise there would be no repeat no purpose or point to posting this sad event.

Since you don't want to discuss the issue of rape, or why men would choose to videotape their rapes, I wouldn't expect you to see the purpose of that article, or why I posted it.

And, from a case where the men videotaped their sexually assaultive actions, with 12 year olds, I don't know how you bizarrely conclude that this means I'm trying to portray all men as rapists in waiting. That's so distorted, on your part, it raises issues about your brain functions, and ability to comprehend and draw logical conclusions.

Some of us aren't as limited and concrete in our thinking as you are. There are issues pertaining to that case which lend themseves to discussion.

As I said, you're just tiresome. And your one-note harping on false accusations has become quite stale and boring. Everyone agrees false accusations are "bad and should be punish", to quote you--so I guess your posts are "just an attempt to paint all women as evil"--meaning that's your only purpose in posting them.

Tiresome. And boring.

Talk to Hawkeye. He loves it when you feed him material.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2011 02:23 pm
@firefly,
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or why men would choose to videotape their rapes, I wouldn't expect you to see the purpose of that article, or why I posted it.


Hmm why do people not just rapists or males film their crimes would be an interesting thread perhaps but there is no tight tied in that I can see about such behaviors and rapes more then any other type of crime,

The girls beatings the hell out of another girl after luring her to one of their homes and even placing it on youtube come to mind along with a group of boys trashing homes and taping it.

Oh the boys who was went driving around and shooting peoples with paint guns and....................



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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 17 Nov, 2011 08:39 am
Is anyone laughing beside myself that a woman is going on national news interviews shows claiming to had statutes rape a teenage boy and no police investigation no DA and no arrested had occur.

Women never lied about having sex force or otherwise so where is the arrest or at least an police investigation of the woman?

One set of lawyers had already run away for her paternity suit and now another lawyer had step forward and stated that she is a victim.

Love the double standards here and I can only hope that Justin Bieber spend the funds needed to counter sue.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 3 Dec, 2011 12:31 pm
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/military/military-s-newly-aggressive-rape-prosecution-has-pitfalls/article_dd2738fb-943c-592b-b602-349ecee57e3e.html


.WASHINGTON ---- By the time Marine Staff Sgt. Jamie Walton went to trial on rape charges, his accuser had changed her story several times.

A military lawyer who evaluated the case told Walton's commander they didn't have enough evidence to go to trial on sexual assault charges. The prosecutor even agreed. But the Marines ignored the advice.

"Everyone knew I didn't rape her," said Walton, who was acquitted of the charge last year. "But they went ahead with the trial anyway."

Walton's questionable prosecution clashes with the public's perception of a soft-on-rape military. A McClatchy Newspapers analysis found that the military is prosecuting a growing number of rape and sexual assault allegations, including highly contested cases that would be unlikely to go to trial in many civilian courts.

However, most of the accused aren't being convicted of serious crimes.

Such results are provoking cynicism within the armed forces that the politics of rape are tainting a military justice system that's as old as the country itself.

"In the media and on Capitol Hill, there's this myth that the military doesn't take sexual assault seriously," said Michael Waddington, a former Army judge advocate who now defends the cases. "But the reality is, they're charging more and more people with bogus cases just to show that they do take it seriously."

McClatchy's review of nearly 4,000 sexual assault allegations demonstrates that the military has taken a more aggressive stance. Last year, military commanders sent about 70 percent more cases to courts-martial that started as rape or aggravated sexual-assault allegations than they did in 2009.

However, only 27 percent of the defendants were convicted of those offenses or other serious crimes in 2009 and 2010, McClatchy found after reviewing the cases detailed in the Defense Department's annual sexual assault reports. When factoring in convictions for lesser offenses ---- such as adultery, which is illegal in the military, or perjury ---- about half the cases ended in convictions.

The military's conviction rate for all crimes is more than 90 percent, according to a 2010 report to Congress by the Pentagon.

"The pendulum has swung," said Victor Kelley, a former federal prosecutor who's a defense attorney with the law firm National Military Justice Group. "It may be true that years ago some of these allegations weren't given the attention they deserved. But now many of them are given more deference than they're due."

But legal officials with all four military branches say the low conviction rate shows how difficult it is to convict the suspects, not that innocent people are being sent to trial. One common problem in all courts ---- military and civilian alike ---- is that a sexual assault victim's behavior comes under attack as much as that of the accused does. As a result, juries may not convict despite hearing significant evidence that a rape occurred.

Making acquittals even more likely, the military is prosecuting more contested cases under a controversial law that broadens the definition of sexual assault. Under the 2006 law, the military can argue that a victim was sexually assaulted because she was "substantially incapacitated" from excessive drinking and couldn't have consented.

"What would you have us do? Tell the victim she can't get justice just because it's a hard case?" asked Timothy MacDonnell, an Army prosecutor who retired in 2008. "Then you're saying to sexual predators, 'Just be careful and make sure you do it in private and you'll get away with it.'"

In dozens of interviews, however, a wide range of people involved in the military justice system questioned whether the military was weighing the proper legal considerations when deciding whether to take criminal action.

Unlike in the civilian justice system, a military commander, not a prosecutor, makes the final call on whether to press charges. At times, the commanders disregard their legal advisers' recommendations and pursue allegations of sexual assault, raising concerns that the anti-rape campaign of advocacy groups and Congress is influencing them.

Even some prosecutors say the strategy has backfired, making it more difficult to crack down on the crime in general.

"Because there is this spin-up of 'We have to take cases seriously even though they're crap,' it creates a kind of a climate of blase attitudes," said one Navy prosecutor, who asked to remain anonymous because she feared retaliation for speaking out.

"There is a pressure to prosecute, prosecute, prosecute. When you get one that's actually real, there's a lot of skepticism. You hear it routinely: 'Is this a rape case or is this a Navy rape case?'"

Behind the crackdown

The reality, of course, is that many women and men are raped or sexually assaulted in the military. When confronted with the crime even now, some commanders aren't aggressive enough in cracking down, many from all perspectives agree.

North Carolina native Stephanie Schroeder, for instance, said her superiors were unsympathetic after a fellow Marine followed her into a women's bathroom and raped her.

Her superior said, " 'Don't come bitching to me because you had sex and changed your mind,'" recalled Schroeder, who's since joined a lawsuit alleging that the military failed to protect her from the 2002 assault.

Her attacker was never punished, Schroeder said, while she was disciplined after her commanders concluded that she'd lied.

A federal judge is expected to decide soon whether to give Schroeder and others class-action status in suing the military.

But many military attorneys describe cases such as Schroeder's as isolated instances that garner most of the attention and outrage.

"Even with this spotlight shining on the military, it has not eliminated the horror story of some commander ignoring valid charges," said Dwight Sullivan, senior appellate defense counsel for the Air Force. "We haven't prevented the horror stories, and now we've created another problem of overcharging."

The pressure ratcheted up in 2003, when female cadets at the Air Force Academy accused commanders of ignoring their sexual assaults. In the wake of the scandal, the military prosecuted several of the accused.

The cases didn't go well. One of the juries took only 20 minutes in 2006 to acquit a defendant. After a judge dismissed charges against another cadet, civilian prosecutors declined to charge him in 2007 because of a lack of evidence.

In fact, none of the men accused in the scandal were convicted of charges related to non-consensual sex, said attorneys who were involved.

Citing such failures, Congress boosted the military's anti-sexual assault budget and crafted the new law to help prosecute cases.

As lawmakers turned up the pressure, the military acted on the demands. The number of all sex-crime allegations sent to courts-martial increased from 113 in 2004 to 532 in 2010, according to Defense Department data.

Iffy cases

Too often, however, defendants are being prosecuted despite qualms about the evidence, attorneys said.

In Walton's case, the accuser initially denied having sex with him when her commander questioned her.

After Walton confessed to adultery and urged her to tell the truth, she admitted having an affair with him. At that point, she said in a sworn statement that she and Walton had picked up "protection" before heading to a hotel. She denied drinking any alcohol.

Three months later, she changed her account again, saying Walton had plied her with hard liquor before taking her to the hotel. While they were watching TV on the bed, she said, "he all of a sudden rolled on top of me."

"I don't think I said anything," she said in a statement. "I just remember my clothes coming off and I accepted it was happening."

The woman said she realized she'd been raped after attending anti-sexual assault classes. She notified the lawyer who was defending her against adultery charges. The woman also told her estranged husband.

When a military lawyer, known as an investigating officer, reviewed her allegations, he recommended that the Marines drop the aggravated sexual assault charge.

Not only had the accuser's story changed, friends said she'd told them the sex had been consensual and that she would do it again because she thought her husband was cheating on her.

The commander nonetheless rebuffed the lawyers' advice, pursuing nine charges against Walton that ranged from aggravated sexual assault to indecent language. Walton's possible fate changed from expulsion from the military to 30 years in prison.

"They threw everything at me to see what would stick," he said.

Commanders such as Walton's are instructed to consider the evidence, but they aren't required to follow their lawyers' advice. They also can weigh other interests such as the "good order and discipline" of their troops.

Given the push to prosecute, many commanders may see a trial as the best way to determine whether allegations are true.

"Most of the rape cases that I've defended in the military system never would have gone to trial in a civilian system because the prosecutor would say, 'There's no way I'm taking that to trial because I'm not going to get a conviction,' " said Charles Feldmann, a former military and civilian prosecutor who's now a defense attorney.

"But in the military, the decision-maker is an admiral or a general who is not going to put his career at risk on an iffy rape case by not prosecuting it. It's easy for him to say, 'Prosecute it.' If a jury acquits or convicts, then he can say justice was done either way.

"If a military commander dismisses a case and there's political backlash, he's going to take some real career heat over that dismissal," Feldmann said.

Low conviction rates

Prosecutors outside the military appear to have more success at trial. There's no exact comparison with the civilian justice system, but a study of the nation's largest counties showed that 50 percent of the defendants charged with rape were found guilty of felonies in 2006, the most recent year for which those statistics are available. In New York state, almost 88 percent of the defendants charged with felony sex crimes were convicted in 2010.

In many civilian jurisdictions, the victim has to be unconscious or physically helpless or some sort of force would have to be used for prosecutors to proceed with sexual assault charges.

"A lot of the cases I help people with today I couldn't prosecute in my old jurisdiction because it's not criminalized by state law," said Teresa Scalzo, a veteran civilian prosecutor and the deputy director of the Navy's Trial Counsel Assistance Program.

While the 2006 law allows the military to pursue more sexual assault allegations, it didn't make the prosecution of such cases any easier, attorneys said.

In one recent case, an enlisted woman said she was drunk and fading in and out of consciousness when Army Spc. Kevin Olds touched her breast and put her hand on his penis. The pair had been drinking heavily together during a party. The woman, who was married, told a friend she "did not stop what was happening because she did not want to hurt (his) feelings," according to court records.

At one point, she said, "No, it's OK." That meant, she testified, that she didn't want him to be mad, but she did not want him to continue. She conceded that he may have misunderstood what she meant.

Olds, who was married as well, said he'd thought the woman had consented.

Earlier this year, an investigating officer warned that "insufficient grounds" existed for a sexual assault prosecution.

A commander decided that charges should be pursued anyway. When the accuser said she'd prefer not to testify, the military sent the case to a summary court-martial, which is the equivalent of a misdemeanor court. Olds represented himself, and was acquitted on Nov. 15.

"It never should have seen the inside of a courtroom," said Charles Gittins, who represented Olds at the outset.

Army Sgt. Derek Akins was supposed to go to trial earlier this year in Fort Riley, Kan., after he was accused of sexually assaulting a fellow enlisted man's wife, according to court documents.

All three had been drinking heavily at a party at the couple's house. The husband said that he and his wife had shared a bottle of rum. The woman said Akins had flirted with her but that she didn't remember any sexual encounter because she'd passed out. The husband, however, contended that Akins had had sex with his semiconscious wife in his presence while all three were in the couple's bedroom.

In a last-minute reversal, the husband said that what had happened had been consensual. The military dropped the sexual assault charge.

"This is how nuanced and difficult these cases can be," said Philip Cave, Akins' lawyer and a retired Navy judge advocate. "The prosecution can be lied to as well."

In fact, an accuser and a defendant can have powerful motives to withhold important facts or lie about consensual sex. The military treats "fraternization" ---- socializing with someone who's lower in rank ---- as a crime. It's also illegal to have an extramarital affair or to have sex in some overseas locations.

McClatchy tried to talk to commanders about their roles in specific cases, but they either declined to be interviewed or referred a reporter to public affairs offices.

However, attorneys involved in prosecutions maintained that the military is weighing only the legal merits of cases, not the political ramifications.

"We have seen a push to prosecute more challenging cases," said Scalzo, who added that commanders "have become bolder because they've been educated about the nature of non-stranger sexual assault, especially when alcohol is involved."

Officials also denied that a low conviction rate signals any problems with the cases.

"I don't think it's an accurate way to measure the success of our program," said Janet Mansfield, an attorney with the Army's Office of the Judge Advocate General.

Asked how the Army was determining whether it's working, she responded that it was "hard to define."

"We want to see that due process exists," she said. "We want to see that victims are happy with the experience of the court-martial, if not the outcome."

Walton, however, thinks that the justice system has tilted unfairly in favor of the accuser.

After a two-year ordeal, the Marines convicted him of adultery and sent him to prison for six months. As soon as she made the rape accusation, the service dropped the adultery charge against his accuser. She was promoted, while he received a bad conduct discharge.

After 13 years in the military, Walton has lost his retirement and veteran's benefits, and the ability to attend college for free. And he worries that even an acquittal will be seen as a mark of guilt.

"A lot of people aren't going to like me because I made a stupid decision and I cheated on my wife," he said. "But I don't deserve to be seen as a rapist."

Michael Doyle and Tish Wells contributed to this report.



Read more: http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/military/military-s-newly-aggressive-rape-prosecution-has-pitfalls/article_dd2738fb-943c-592b-b602-349ecee57e3e.html#ixzz1fUutcrM6
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 4 Dec, 2011 12:06 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
"Everyone knew I didn't rape her," said Walton, who was acquitted of the charge last year. "But they went ahead with the trial anyway."

Walton's questionable prosecution clashes with the public's perception of a soft-on-rape military. A McClatchy Newspapers analysis found that the military is prosecuting a growing number of rape and sexual assault allegations, including highly contested cases that would be unlikely to go to trial in many civilian courts.

However, most of the accused aren't being convicted of serious crimes.

Such results are provoking cynicism within the armed forces that the politics of rape are tainting a military justice system that's as old as the country itself
I believe I said much the same thing about a year back....the military is the first in America to fully exercise this abuse of men that the feminists have been fighting for, but they certainly expect the civilian courts to get with the program, and they almost certainly will in short order if we the people dont stand up now and rebel against this subversion of justice to the politics of male oppression.

Getting convictions does not matter, bankrupting those who go against the imperative for the male to get irrefutable consent when he chooses to engage in the dangers practice of sex with a woman, as well as sliming these men as abusers who got off at trail, is good enough to keep men in line.

NOTE: The feminists will lay down the lie for as long as they can get away with it that the military is a hot bed of the abuse of women where men get away with it, because they need cover for as long as possible to get this new program of oppressing the males established. It is our duty as citizens to know the truth, to not allow ourselves to be manipulated by those scheming for a political advantage though which they intend to impose their will on the rest of us.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2011 06:50 am
@hawkeye10,
There is a current news story concerning a former Miss American being charge and held responsible for driving a car when her blood alcohol level was .2 at the time of testing.

Yet under the change military law and under the ideal sexual assault law in Firefly view if she had have sex instead of driving under the influence and regret it the next day she would be a rape victim and her sexual partner a rapist.

On one hand a woman is totally and even criminally liable for her own actions under the influence of drug or alcohol but in the other a third party is the one who we hold liable.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 12:51 am
FBI Takes Major Step Toward Updating Narrow Definition Of Rape
12/ 6/11 09

WASHINGTON -- An FBI advisory board overwhelmingly voted to update the narrow, archaic way the agency defines rape on Tuesday, a move that women's rights advocates hailed as a long-overdue success.

Currently, the FBI defines rape as the "carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will."

This definition, which has not been updated since 1929, is narrower than the one used by many police departments around the country, and women's rights advocates say it leads to the under-counting of thousands of sexual assaults each year.

At a meeting in Albuquerque, N.M. on Tuesday, the FBI's Criminal Justice Advisory Policy Board voted to change the definition of rape in its Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Summary Reporting System, following the recommendation of a lower panel in October. The new terminology says rape is "penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim."

This new definition expands the old one by taking out the requirement of a "forcible" assault and the restriction that the attack must be toward a woman. It also now includes non-vaginal/penile rape and rape by a blood relative.

"Although long overdue, we are pleased that the FBI has vetted this change extensively with its local and national law enforcement advisors and a clear consensus has emerged that a more accurate definition will better inform the public about the prevalence of serious sex crimes and will ultimately drive more resources to apprehend sex offenders," Carol E. Tracy, executive director of the Pennsylvania-based Women's Law Project (WLP), said in a statement. WLP began the campaign to redefine rape in the UCR a decade ago.

The Feminist Majority Foundation also recently led a "Rape is Rape" campaign, calling on the public to pressure the FBI to update its definition. More than 160,000 emails were sent to the FBI in support.

"It's a great victory," said Eleanor Smeal, president of Feminist Majority Foundation, in a statement. "This new definition will mean that, at long last, we will begin to see the full scope of this horrific violence, and that understanding will carry through to increased attention and resources for prevention and action."

Although Tuesday's vote was "a very big deal," according to Tracy, the official definition is not yet changed. The recommendation -- along with all the others agreed upon by the policy board at its meeting -- now goes to FBI Director Robert Mueller for final sign-off, most likely in the new year.

The FBI's current narrow definition of rape has created complications for law enforcement agencies, which can't report all of the rapes they prosecute for inclusion in federal statistics if their state or locality has a broader definition.

For example, in 2010, the Chicago Police Department reported nearly 1,400 sexual assaults. None of them, however, appeared in the federal crime report because they didn't fit the federal government's definition of rape.

"We prosecute by one criteria, but we report by another criteria," Steve Anderson, chief of the Metropolitan Nashville Police Department, told The New York Times. "The only people who have a true picture of what's going on are the people in the sex-crimes unit."

According to the federal 2010 Uniform Crime Report, there were 84,767 sexual assaults reported in 2010, a 5 percent drop from the previous year.

In a recent survey by the Police Executive Research Forum, nearly 80 percent of the 306 police departments that participated said the federal definition of rape was outdated.

On Monday, Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-Calif.) wrote an op-ed in The Hill stating that changing the FBI's definition could critically affect her work on the House Appropriations Committee.

"In the coming months, we face a tough fight to preserve funding for critical programs that aid victims and help put their assailants behind bars," wrote Roybal-Allard. "The UCR data plays a key role in the allocation of vital resources for prevention, treatment and enforcement. With so much hanging in the balance, it is imperative that the FBI move swiftly to adopt the proposed changes. By taking this simple step and updating the Bureau's definition to include all types of rape, we can make a real difference in the fight against this horrific crime."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/06/fbi-definition-of-rape_n_1132913.html

It's about time.

BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 03:49 am
@firefly,
My my you won Firefly one step and perhaps now you will get to see a one time false jump in the rape numbers you can point to in alarm.

No more will you need to deal with the annoying fact that real rapes had been going down for decades and is now at a 33 years low.

More grant money to paint women as poor victims of evil men every time they go out drinking with those evil men and end up willingly in bed with them if afterward they are unhappy with the results.

Too bad the same theory can not be used in DUI cases where if any man had even a feeling that a woman might be under the influence and allow her to drive he is the one who will get charge with DUI not the woman.

Lovely nonsense.............................
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 09:28 am
@BillRM,
Quote:

No more will you need to deal with the annoying fact that real rapes had been going down for decades

No more will you be able to promote your false concept of what constitutes a "real rape".

What's reported on the federal level will now be more consistent with the crimes charged and prosecuted on the state level--so the federal statistics will be more accurate and reflective of the incidence of rape in this country.

Too bad you can't appreciate the fact that this updated definition means that serious sexual assaults of men will now be recognized as "real rape".

Your preoccupation with taking sexual advantage of intoxicated women is rather unseemly for a man of your advanced years. Well, BillRM, if that's the only way you can get laid...
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 10:48 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
No more will you need to deal with the annoying fact that real rapes had been going down for decades and is now at a 33 years low.


In all likelihood the FBI will not keep a rape by force number, so all linkage to the past will be lost. THe feminists will continue to narrow the definition of consent to favor women so we can now look forward to expanding "rape" numbers for as far as the eye can see. It is all about the money, as given the cutbacks in Federal Spending the feminists had to have bigger numbers to keep the spigot of Federal Funding open enough to support their industry.

The next big battle should be a move to remove the right to have sex when drunk, and we will see if women go along with that. Hopefully this is the point were we can wake people up to the oppression that the government/feminist team is applying to Americans, and where the women figure out that the feminists are not fighting for women but rather are fighting for power and money.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 11:04 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
remove the right to have sex when drunk, and we will see if women go along with that


Women will aways had a right to had sex when drunk they will just add the right to declare any such sex as rape afterward at their whim.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 11:26 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
remove the right to have sex when drunk, and we will see if women go along with that


Women will aways had a right to had sex when drunk they will just add the right to declare any such sex as rape afterward at their whim.


as bad as that plan is I think you give the feminists too much credit...under their theory of consent a man having sex with a drunk woman makes the man a rapist no matter what the woman thinks or wants...the feminist are not going to continue to hold their fire just because the woman in question wants them to. The current policy of letting victims decide if the state goes after rapists is but a way station on the road to the utopia where men are kept in their rightful place, under the spiked heels of both women and the state .
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 11:29 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Women will aways had a right to had sex when drunk they will just add the right to declare any such sex as rape afterward at their whim.

If you, or anyone else, really worries about that, they can just obstain from sex with drunken women. But, as I said before, if that's the only way you can get laid, BillRM...

Women can also say they are using birth control, and then, after they get pregnant, hit the guy up for a life-time of child support. A smart man protects himself. Not that you'd know what smart men do...
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 11:34 am
@firefly,
Quote:
Women can also say they are using birth control, and then, after they get pregnant, hit the guy up for a life-time of child support. A smart man protects himself. Not that you'd know what smart men do...
Negro's learned how to do that pretty well, stay out of the way of whitey and thus stay out of trouble, the old south being the model for how the feminists want to rebuild the female/male relationship. The feminists love oppression, so long as women are oppressing men and the feminists get to make the rules and swim in government money.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 11:47 am
@hawkeye10,
There are not enough prisons or jails in the world let alone the US to hold all the evil rapists in that case Hawkeye.

For that matter there would not be enough males outside of prisons to run the society except in Utah where the non-drinking Mormons live in mass.

Beside courts are already making rulings to stop the practice of allowing prosecutions of men for domestic violence by bringing in hearsay when the women will not testify.

No even in the ideal world of Firefly we would still need to sadly wait until a woman get annoyed at her boyfriend/husband and declare a rape had occur due to her having sex under the influence with him.

firefly
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 11:48 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
The feminists love oppression, so long as women are oppressing men and the feminists get to make the rules and swim in government money.

Laughing

Wow, I never realized the feminists now controlled the entire federal government.

And those allegedly "male-enslaving feminists" just pressured the feds to recognize the fact that men can be raped too---that it's not just a crime commited against women. How dare they push for such female/male equality in the rape laws? Laughing

Better learn the meaning of CONSENT, Hawkeye--that's what defines "real rape" now, even on the federal level. Rape is rape.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2011 11:55 am
@firefly,
Quote:
Wow, I never realized the feminists now controlled the entire federal government.


As I have stated often it is only the sex law which the government has subcontracted out to them, thus forming the government/feminist partnership. The feminists get power and money with which to drive towards their utopia, the government gets out of the endless squabbles of sexual and gender politics.
 

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