Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@hawkeye10,

An women never lied not even for a nice $$$$$$$$ settlement worth years of normal income.

It look like there was a settlement decades ago of some nature at least.

Now the question will be will someone paid these women enough to break a likely confidentiality agreement and go public?

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@BillRM,

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Now the question will be will someone paid these women enough to break a likely confidentiality agreement and go public?

I assume it was not the feminists, for while I expect that they dont much like Cain they dont want to be drawing attention to the connection between accusing men of mistreating women and naked political opportunism....as the feminists have been playing that game balls to the wall every day for the last 20 years....

The way governments have chosen to go after WikiLeaks was a wake up call for many..the feminists need to let that approach rest for awhile now, or else they are going to get caught.

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@hawkeye10,

I think myself it is likely to be GOP supporters of another candidate as he would be the dream candidate for Obama to run against so it not the likely to be the democrats.

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@BillRM,

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I think myself it is likely to be GOP supporters of another candidate as he would be the dream candidate for Obama to run against so it not the likely to be the democrats.

Yep, and they have little care if the feminists get ratted out in the process, as the feminists long ago ran most of the conservatives out of the movement. Every time the charge that men abuse women is used for political gain in a way that can not be explained away with the cover story that victims ( IE women) are being saved the future of this tactic that the feminists have long used with great success gets closer to being over. It is bad enough that there are now guys like me calling attention to the scam, who are yelling into the wind that we men have nothing to be ashamed in our dealings with women other than that we have not stood up for ourselves against the feminist assault upon our character.

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A third woman has reportedly accused leading Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain of inappropriate behaviour in the workplace.

She alleges she received unwanted comments from Mr Cain during his tenure as head of a restaurant lobby group.

She told the Associated Press Mr Cain had commented on her attractiveness and invited her to his corporate apartment.

The unnamed woman is the third former employee to make such allegations in recent days.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-15566388

As if I need to prove that men are supposed to be mind readers of what women want and dont want to hear, and then conform to their demands. Choose not to do this, choose not to affix the restraints and then see how long it takes to get tarred as an abuser of women.

Herman told a female she looked nice, and invited her to spend time with him, and for that transgression (sarcasm) he gets made into an abuser!

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@hawkeye10,

Barbara Risman

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don't have an easy answer, but I do know we'll never solve the problem by trying to figure out what he said or she said. Instead, we have to decide what, as a society, we want to be acceptable or not in our workplaces and schools and then enforce the norms with legal penalties. Here's a first volley: It should be illegal for men (or women) to make sexual overtures to their subordinates.

End of story

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/04/opinion/risman-sexual-harassment/index.html?hpt=hp_bn9

Yes boys and girls, some feminists really do want to go there. But we knew of this puritanical streak long before now. And we certainly knew that the feminists tend to think that the law carrying a big club is the answer to most all of the alleged slights that our allegedly constantly victimized women currently suffer thought.

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@hawkeye10,

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It should be illegal for men (or women) to make sexual overtures to their subordinates.

End of story

Barbara I can only wonder how Bill Gate wife would feel about that position along with any numbers of other women who met and married a man who was their bosses in the work place?

You are not protecting women so must as taking away the rights of adult women to decide for themselves who they will form sexual relationships with.

Can't have a romance with your boss or with your GP or with your lawyer or with..........as the society need to protect you from having bad judgment in picking mates.

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@BillRM,

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Gender Structure Book
While the study of gender has become legitimate and even central to the field of sociology, the conceptualization of the term “gender” remains remarkably vague and disputed. In this book, Professor Risman traces the history of ideas and development of the use of gender in sociological theory, and analysis. She then offers her own feminist theory of gender as a social structure. The book provides elaboration of how gender is constructed and sometimes deconstructed at the individual, interactional and institutional levels. By reviewing the articles and projects which have used her theory, Professor Risman revises her argument about how social change towards gender equality might effectively occur. She ends with a utopian vision for a society that has moved beyond gender.

http://www.barbararisman.com/research.html

So here we have it Bill, she wants to rub out the genders, she aims to kill off the masculine/feminine dance. She is offended by sexual flirting.

****. Her.

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@hawkeye10,

Gender As a Social Structure
Theory Wrestling with Activism
Barbara J. Risman

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Finally, the author suggests we pay more attention to doing research and writing theory with explicit attention to how our work can indeed help transform as well as inform society

http://gas.sagepub.com/content/18/4/429.abstract

Interesting, we used to think that Academics were supposed to be educators and scientists...when did it become OK for them to view their jobs as social agitation? Activist professors, Activist judges, Activist behavior health specialists......we have more busy-bodies running around trying to tell us how we should be living and thinking then we can shake a stick at!

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@Arella Mae,

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Oh my! I was totally confused! Sheesh! I must be getting old. But isn't part of the play about a woman seducing a 13 year old? I need to go back and read it again.

This is what I was talking about:

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In the award-winning radical feminist play by Eve Ensler entitled The Vagina Monologues, a 24-year-old woman plies a 13-year-old girl with alcohol, then sexually seduces her. By statute and by feminist definition, this "seduction" is rape. Yet, from the stage, the little girl declares, "Now people say it was a kind of rape ... Well, I say if it was rape, it was a good rape..." Apparently, the reference to "good rape" has been deleted from some performances but the surrounding language makes the rape’s goodness clear. For example, the little girl eulogizes her orgasm:

So let me see if I got it straight. The ones that some call rape feminists are against what is in that paragraph? I am sorry I am so confused.

Not only does all reference to the word 'rape' get removed from later versions, but the girl's age is changed from 13 to 16. The whole "it is a highway of blood" quote is from the year prior to it, when she was 12

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As if it isn't bad enough that girls and young women are getting sexually assaulted, now the males involved seem to make a habit of videotaping these assaults--so they can relive the experience.
The only positive note is that those videotapes make prosecuting these creeps much easier.
This current case involves 12 year olds.

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Officials say teens sexually assaulted two girls
Tuesday, November 15, 2011

BRIDGEPORT, Conn. (WABC) -- In Connecticut, officials say three teenage boys forced two 12-year-old girls to have sex with them and recorded it on a cell phone.

Two of the suspects in Bridgeport are 18 years old and the other is 17.

A mother let out anguished screams over the pain of having a son in serious trouble with the law.

Bridgeport Police have charged 18-year-old Marcus Jeanty and two friends with sexually assaulting two 12-year-old girls, and videotaping the encounters with a cell phone.

Emmanuel Jeanty denied his son's involvement.

Police first learned about the case from a counselor at Wilber Cross School.

One alleged victim told the counselor and later detectives that she was repeatedly abused during the summer months in the basement of a home.

Police say they have recovered a cell phone with the videos.

In one video, a voice can be heard saying it was "just like a homemade porno."

Investigators say the suspects threatened to show the girls' mothers the videos unless they continued to have sex with them.

Marcus Jeanty and 18-year-old Malcolm Rivera turned themselves in Monday afternoon.

17-year old Quadere White surrendered Monday night.

It's a case of alleged abuse and intimidation that has shocked even seasoned investigators.
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/northern_suburbs&id=8432940&pt=print

The three young men face first degree sexual assault/rape charges. I don't wonder that the mother of one them screamed out in anguish when she learned of her son's arrest.

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@firefly,

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The only positive note is that those videotapes make prosecuting these creeps much easier.
This current case involves 12 year olds.

And sometime the video taping of sex is the only thing that end up saving innocent young men from spending years in prison.

Of course we never seems to punish the women who do this beyond a slap on the wrist.

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MINEOLA, N.Y. (CBS/AP) She was a Hofstra University freshman who had claimed she was raped by five men in a dormitory bathroom, but she has now changed her story after prosecutors confronted her with the revelation that a video of the encounter may have been recorded, a prosecutor said Thursday.

The recantation on Wednesday night led to the immediate release of four men, including one student at the Long Island college, who had been arrested on rape and other charges. Police had been seeking to arrest a fifth man when the charges were dropped.

The sex did occur in a bathroom but was consensual, a prosecutor said. Authorities could decide within weeks whether to charge the 18-year-old woman for making up the story.

Nassau County District Attorney Kathleen Rice said Thursday that the woman, whom she would not identify, was interviewed Wednesday night by two senior prosecutors as a routine part of a follow-up investigation.

The woman first told police she was lured to the dormitory and raped early Sunday after her cell phone was stolen by a man she had met at a dance party, Rice said. She said she was bound with rope while the five men took turns sexually assaulting her in a men's bathroom stall.

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@BillRM,

Bill, your case is a nice illustration of how easy it is now for women to lower the hammer on men....increasingly the state will arrest first and investigate later, the state will arrest men for sex crimes based upon nothing more than the undocumented assertions of a woman. Forget "he said, she says"...we are now at "she says and what he says is irrelavant".

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@hawkeye10,

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state will arrest men for sex crimes based upon nothing more than the undocumented assertions of a woman. Forget "he said, she says"...we are now at "she says and what he says is irrelavant".

It does not matter if you and your friends are upper middle class college students with clean records and your accussor in a dancer/hooker or if you are the head of the IMF and you accussor is a third world con woman you will be charge at the very least.

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@BillRM,

I am sure that Firefly will be along shortly to claim that the system worked since there was never a conviction....that getting arrested on nothing more than the lies of a woman and thus cooling your heels in jail or comming up with bail as well as leaving all the people in your life with the impression that you are a probable abuser of women is nothing more than the cost of doing business if you happen to be a man.

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@hawkeye10,

No, firefly is just amazed that you and BillRM still do nothing but rape denial and whining about men being abused.

I post a current news story about 12 year olds being sexually assaulted, where the incidents were videotaped by the three perpetrators, a situation that in no way relates to an issue of false accusations, both because of the videotape evidence in this case and the fact that the age of the females makes this a non-consenting situation, and how do the two of you respond?

BillRM digs up and posts, for probably the 50th time in this thread, one of his two favorite false accusation cases (the other one being the case at Duke), a story that happened many years ago at Hofstra University. Not only is the story irrelevant to the article I posted, both this case, as well as the Duke case, involved women who were emotionally disturbed--the woman in the Duke case had a history of psych. hospitalizations, and her accusations were made when she was a patient in a mental health/rehab facility. The young woman in the Hofstra case was also emotionally disturbed, which is why the D.A. did not charge her with filing a false report.
If BillRM had even a modicum of common sense, he'd realize that normal, sober, college women do not generally have validly consenting group sex with men on the floor of a public bathroom in a dorm--in fact, despite the evidence of apparent "consent" on the videotape of that incident, that probably was an actual bona fide sexual assault, given the emotional condition of the woman involved (who I believe suffered from Bi-Polar Disorder), but that case was such a mess, the D.A. was not about to go after the young men involved and charge them with sexually assaulting an emotionally disturbed individual, because that would have involved making the woman's psychiatric problems too public, which might not have been in her best interests or even consistent with her wishes.

And Hawkeye, of course simply threw in his two cents about lying women and the abuse of men, also ignoring the news story I posted, which had nothing to do with lying women or the abuse of men.

The issue of why men are choosing to videotape their sexual assaults, actual sexual assaults, so that they can re-live them, or show them to friends, or even post them on the internet, a way of re victimizing and further humiliating the female involved in the sexual assault, is something that would probably revolt most normal men--particularly when the females involved are only 12 years old. But the only response from BillRM and Hawkeye, is an attack on females, rape denial and flag-waving about false accusations, and more whining about the abuse of men.

I don't have to say a thing about the character of these two men, their own responses in this this thread reveal it all, and it's why there are no other men here supporting their views, and the ones who posted here in the past generally did so for the purposes of insulting them and distancing themselves from such examples of alleged "manhood".

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@firefly,

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No, firefly is just amazed that you and BillRM still do nothing but rape denial and whining about men being abused.

Claiming that the system is rigged against men does not even begin to deny rape, but men are surely and profoundly being abused.

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I don't have to say a thing about the character of these two men, their own responses in this this thread reveal it all, and it's why there are no other men here supporting their views, and the ones who posted here in the past generally did so for the purposes of insulting them and distancing themselves from such examples of alleged "manhood".

I dont see anyone supporting you most of the time either, but I dont care that much about popularity anyways....I am more interested in more important things, like being right and ending oppression.

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@firefly,

Who had denial rape does not happen that however does not change the fact that whether rape had happen or not happen the routine now is to placed the man or men under arrest on the word of the woman alone and then figure out over a few months if a rape had happen or not happen.

Three young college men with 100 percent clean records are arrested on the word of a dancer/hooker.

The head of the IMF is drag off the plane and arrested on the word of a third world maid con woman.

In the case that had I just posted about four young college men was arrested and jail and a fifth young man was being look for on once more the word of one woman.

When the charges are proven not to be true there is almost never any punishment of the women beyond perhaps a slap on the wrist.

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@BillRM,

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Who had denial rape does not happen

As I am sure you are aware Bill "rape denier" is defined as " one who questions the feminist assertion that men are generally sexually abusive assholes" . The definition "one who denies the existence of rape" is archaic ....

I am a heritic though, I refuse to accept the new definitions as they are told to me by those who claim to be my bosses, I demand the right to my own mind and my own views. If Firefly had her way this resistance to her utopia building would earn me a very uncomfortable cell.

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@BillRM,

Firefly had complained that my false rape stories are old so here on one reported on in the last 30 days or so.

There are as many evil women as evil men and false charges of rapes can be just or more harmful then being rape however the punishment is not at the same level.

Take note the amusing defend that she could not had consent to sex because she had been drinking and therefore it was rape.

She is surely the type of woman to warm firefly heart.

Woman who cried rape to pay damages
November 14 2011 at 10:19am
By ZELDA VENTER

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A teacher who was falsely accused of rape by the woman with whom he had an adulterous relationship is due to receive R230 000 in damages from his former lover.

A Soshanguve teacher who was falsely accused of rape by the woman with whom he had an adulterous relationship is due to receive R230 000 in damages from his former lover.

Pretoria High Court Judge Legodi Phatudi ordered that Ntebane Patricia Molapo had to pay the damages to Herold Maphoto, a teacher at the Kgadime-Matsepe Secondary School. Maphoto spent 17 days in custody and went through a lengthy trial only to have his name cleared. The judge found the woman intended to injure her lover when she instituted criminal proceedings against him. She knew rape was a schedule six offence and it was unlikely he would easily be released on bail.

Judge Phatudi said the woman decided to go ahead with the rape charge without applying her mind as to the possible consequences.

Maphoto said his name was tainted in the community; he was labelled a rapist – far worse than being branded an adulterer. He testified that Molapo, who is a Correctional Service officer, laid the false charge against him on February 9, 2004.

He was kept in police custody for 17 days before he was granted bail.

He said he “became attracted to the woman during a funeral in Soshanguve” a week before the “rape”. They exchanged contact numbers and she called him three days later. They exchanged “romantic words” which led to a meeting where they intended to “enjoy” themselves.

Judge Phatudi was told the woman asked Maphoto to arrange accommodation for that night. They booked into a guest house and after drinks at a local tavern, returned to the guest house where they had “consensual sex”.

While in the room, the woman’s phone rang and it was her husband.

Maphoto said he overheard her say she was with friends.

Maphoto testified that after the sex they left for their respective homes, as “there was no longer a need for a sleep-over”.

He was arrested two days later.

Molapo confirmed this version, apart from the “consensual sex”.

She was confronted about an SMS message she had sent to her lover stating: “This is my kiss to you to make your day a happy one.”

Molapo said it was a mistake – the message was intended for her husband, but she failed to answer other questions on this.

Judge Phatudi commented: “She looked at me in amazement with no answers to these questions.”

Molapo’s counsel insisted she was raped after they had returned from the tavern. He referred to a case stating that a person cannot be regarded as having consented to sex when intoxicated. The judge rejected this and found Molapo knew her rape accusation was false. - Pretoria News

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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

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