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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2011 06:19 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I was subjected to sustained mob action long before this thread started for daring to speak up for men

Well you are certainly not speaking up for men now. You don't want serious male on male forcible sexual assaults--including those involving forced anal penetration with objects--included in the federal definition of rape. You don't have the slightest interest in male victims of serious sexual assault, or in seeing adequate funding going to help this group of victims.

You are a phony, and admitted deviant, who is only concerned with his own sexual needs and desires and impulses--and you fear these may conflict with existing laws. Your alleged "concern" begins and ends with yourself.

A true notion of sexual freedom, unlike the self-serving crap you regurgitate, includes the right not to be sexually assaulted by others--which is why we have laws to punish those who commit such assaults and to deter such assaults. And you can talk from now until doomsday, and we will continue to have such laws against sexual assaults.

Don't wrap yourself in the mantle of a martyr--that's a joke--people split from this thread because they found you repetitive and boring. The only one paying attention to you is your fawning buddy, BillRM, and even he doesn't seem to be reading your posts very carefully.

Basically, you're talking only to yourself....
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2011 06:23 pm
@firefly,
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Basically, you're talking only to yourself..
Riight, that is why this thread has been going for more than a year and has over 8,000 posts in it...and it is by no means the first thread about this general subject. You Firefly would claim that the moon is made of swiss cheese if you thought that might promote your agenda, you are another one who has no interest in honest debate....or the truth.
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2011 06:42 pm
@hawkeye10,
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They can get back to us when they figure out an answer that they want to go with rather than giving us a wide range where they think the answer might be.

The variation in percentages depends on the source of the data, but, that range does not exceed a high of 8% for false allegations--and 8% is also the maximum percentage of rape reports that the federal government considers to be "unfounded".

BillRM, has disregarded all the critical and scholarly studies, previously posted in this thread, which completely shoot down the absurd figures, as high as 40%, that he comes up with for false allegations. Poor BillRM, with his well known problems of perseveration, will just keep repeating the same nonsense, because he foolishly thinks it will keep alive the myth that you can't believe someone who claims they were sexually assaulted. BillRM is into fairy tales--like, let's pretend sexual assaults don't occur, or their numbers aren't high enough to generate concern.

You really don't expect anyone to take either of you seriously, do you? Laughing


firefly
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2011 06:54 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Riight, that is why this thread has been going for more than a year and has over 8,000 posts in it...

Most of which are just you and BillRM Laughing The number of posts does not reflect either substance or general interest.

I have no agenda. That's why you have to come up with straw-men to argue against, and why you have to distort and twist everything I do say. You need an "opponent"--even if you have to fabricate one--because that allows you to spew your self-serving BS.

You seem alone in wanting to "debate" whether rape is a crime. Most normal people understand that it is a crime, and want it to remain a crime, and have no interest in debating the matter with you--that's why you've been left here with just good old BillRM.
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2011 07:06 pm
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22 years on, Los Angeles rape victim dreads attacker’s impending release
By Associated Press
September 30, 2011

LOS ANGELES — She’s been many things during her long and colorful life: charm school teacher, makeup artist, civil rights advocate — to name just a few.

But at age 84, the one identity she wants to forget still haunts her daily: rape victim.

Instead of enjoying her retirement and tending the rosebushes in her immaculate garden, the elderly widow has spent recent years preoccupied with a single, looming day.

On Saturday, the man who raped her in her Los Angeles home 22 years ago is set for release.

“I am leaving,” the woman told The Associated Press on Thursday as she fielded return calls from landlords with vacant homes. “I have no choice but to run and flee.”

The AP does not typically name victims of sex crimes.

Los Angeles police Det. Lauren Rauch, who works for the valley’s sex offender unit, said she could understand why the woman was still so afraid.

“She technically still lives in the crime scene,” she said. “The fact he is getting out definitely raises some concerns. ... In retrospect, maybe he didn’t get as much time as he deserved.”

Her attacker, Lloyd Anthony Roy, pleaded guilty in 1989 to raping three women and assaulting another. Even though he was initially charged with felony counts involving attacks on several other women too, prosecutors made a deal with Roy and dropped some of the charges. He was sentenced to 44 years in prison.

“No walk in the park,” Robert Nishinaka, the prosecutor, said at the time.

But criminals sentenced back then were often eligible for a day’s credit for each day they behaved well in prison. Roy, who said he heard voices in his head before and after his attacks, is set for release after serving half his original sentence.

The law was changed in 1994 to mandate that violent sex offenders must serve at least 85 percent of their sentenced time, though that did not apply to crimes committed before then, California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation spokesman Luis Patino said.

Roy will not be allowed to live within 35 miles of his victims and will be released to the state’s parole region that spans the Inland Empire and runs down to San Diego and the Mexican border.

The woman, her cheeks flushed with makeup and her lips coated in pink gloss, has had a busy life filled with community action and local politics. A Democrat, she ran unsuccessfully for Congress in what was once a Republican stronghold. She helped organize consumer boycotts, including one in 1973 protesting the high price of meat.

A framed letter from Jimmy Carter sits on a bookshelf, thanking her and her husband for their support during his campaign ahead of his successful 1976 presidential election.

The couple raised three boys in their 1950s-era ranch home in the sunny San Fernando Valley. Her husband died in 1984.

The woman remains spry but needs help getting up from a couch, from where she tells of the night in early 1989 when she was attacked.

She says she was half asleep when the attacker climbed through the window of her grown son’s former bedroom. She heard a sound then saw a flicker of light in the hall. In her tired state, she thought there must be a thunder-and-lightning storm.

As she tried to open her son’s door, she felt a weight behind it, then a man yanked it open.

“He turned me around and put a bandanna on me, but I saw a tattoo on his clavicle,” she says. “He said, ‘Stop crying, or I will kill you.’”

At knifepoint, he took her to another room and repeatedly raped her over several hours. She says she only survived by staying silent when he asked if he could return to do some handy work in the house or yard.

After fetching himself a glass of water and smoking cigarettes, the attacker left after putting the screen back on the window he’d climbed through.

“He said, ‘You are lucky that I am allowing you to live, because I usually smother them,’” the woman said. “The way he said it was the way you would order a cup of coffee, it was like nothing.”

Roy hasn’t been charged in any killing.

The widow still reels at the way police handled the investigation. They were sloppy with evidence, she said, leaving it to her to bring an ashtray, the bandanna and other items to the station. She even ended up paying her own rape-kit examination fee and said police officials have been reluctant to run Roy’s DNA through a state database to look for other potential victims.

The woman still fumes over what she says was a missed opportunity to catch Roy before he claimed another victim. She said he called her sometime after the rape and threatened to kill her unless she immediately went to meet him at a phone booth.

But when she called police, she was told that only detectives could arrest someone for a major crime and, since it was a Saturday, none were working. He raped another woman the next day in Burbank.

Over the past few years, she has spent much of her time reliving her trauma as she contacts any politician, police official or prison worker she can think of in an attempt to keep Roy behind bars.

The state’s Department of Mental Health screened Roy but determined he did not meet the criteria of a sexually violent predator, Patino said. He will wear a GPS tracker and must register as a sex offender and won’t be allowed near any of his victims’ homes as part of a condition of his parole.

Such measures provide scant reassurance for the woman, who feels her right to be safe in her home has been shattered.

“There’s a possibility of rehabilitation for robbers, people on drugs and others,” she says. “But when it comes to crimes with something to do with something wrong with the brain, I don’t think we can release these people back into society until we know how to fix it.”

Attorney Robin Sax, who formerly worked in the sex crimes division of the Los Angeles district attorney’s office and is familiar with the woman’s case, said she thought she would be safe from Roy.

“I don’t think he would risk going after her,” Sax said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/22-years-on-los-angeles-rape-victim-dreads-attackers-impending-release/2011/09/30/gIQAmRPaAL_story.html
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2011 07:21 pm
@firefly,
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You seem alone in wanting to "debate" whether rape is a crime.
Bullshit as usual from you Firefly....."what is rape?" has been a matter of debate ever since the feminists started to push to redefine the word during the mid 1970's (in some limited circles from the late 1960's) and what sexual behaviors should be criminalized have been hotly debated all across our society for as long as anyone can remember.

At this point I dont think you could play debate straight if your life depended upon it, you are hopelessly warped.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2011 07:39 pm
@firefly,
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does not exceed a high of 8% for false allegations--and 8% is also the maximum percentage of rape reports that the federal government considers to be "unfounded".


Eight percents my rear end as you had cheerfully ignore a numbers of many years studies with up to thousands of cases that had place the numbers from the high twenties to the low 40 percents range for false reporting.

One of those studies where conducted by the US Airforce if memory serve me correctly.

Anyone interested can find those studies on this thread or by googling however the one thing you will not find is any evidence that the studies in question had been discredit.

Now twenty rapes a year on average or so at a large university is indeed of concern hell one rape is of concern however you do not blow up the problem by over an order of magnitude to claim 300 plus rapes and think you are gaining anything from doing so.

Using Surveys to do so where women are counted as sexual assaults victims that do not agree with being label as such and in a large percents of the cases the men who are supposed to had been their attackers are still in ongoing consensus sexual relationship with the women.

Oh you are I guess gaining a river of funds to address a problem that had been distorted but I question if that is helpful in dealing with sexual assaults.

The only myth keeper/maker on this thread seems to be you Firefly.

Footnote all universities that received government fundings now must report their crime statistics on a yearly basic and most do so on their websites and many large universities with up to four or five thousands female students list far less reported sexual assaults then even twenty. As this information can be found and check by any reader of this post so no need to take my word for it.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2011 07:46 pm
@hawkeye10,
"What is rape" is defined by the state you live in. Go read the sexual assault laws for the state of Washington, where you live. You seem to be alone in not understanding your state definition of the crime of "rape" or the laws already on the books that describe and punish that crime.

You just don't want to accept the laws...

BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2011 07:49 pm
@firefly,
So Firefly you are now going to post cases of rape where the victim suffer greatly so I suppose I should now response by posting cases where the victim of being falsely accuse of rape and his family including females members of his family had suffer great harm and hurt also.

Going for the emotions when logical and facts do not support your position it would seems.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2011 07:57 pm
@firefly,
My my and this is changing and not the same by far from state to state so the issue is what should or should not be consider rape,

Rape in some states now in theory at least can be lying to the woman to get her into bed at least it is on the books in that manner in a few states.

Rape by reason of claiming falsely to being an astronaut or a doctor.

Bet you are looking forward to the first such case Firefly. Drunk
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2011 08:07 pm
@firefly,
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You just don't want to accept the laws...
Just? did you skip over the Constitution when you were in school? I get a say in those laws, and I have the right to push to change the laws when I think the laws are wrong. Until and unless you are ready to accept the rights that we citizens are granted by the Constitution you really should be told by all to sit down and shut up.... your lack of respect for your fellow Americans and our ******* rights to make up our own minds, keep our own minds and to speak our own minds is contemptible.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2011 08:15 pm
@firefly,
This is what the direct some feminists wish to move us toward as in it does not matter what the actions of the male happen to be if there is a unequal power balance between the man and the woman or it he does lie to her in the courtship and she regret going to bed with him it would be rape!!!!!!!

No force or threat of force needed and a jury will get to decide if you had a valid consent or not long after the night of passion is over.

Only the fact that prosecutors fear not being able to sell this nonsense to juries is slowing this march to madness down it would seems.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38430181/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/could-pick-up-artist-be-charged-rape-deception/

Few prosecutions
Several other states — including California, Tennessee, Alabama and Michigan — have forms of rape by fraud or rape by coercion laws, but prosecutions are rare, said Wendy Murphy, a former Massachusetts prosecutor who teaches a seminar on sexual violence at New England School of Law.

Murphy, who is an advocate of changing rape laws in Massachusetts, said she approves of the Jerusalem court’s ruling, despite the visceral reaction many in the United States — including students in her classroom at New England School of Law — have against it.

Murphy would like to see U.S. courts should remove the notion of “force” from the definition of rape altogether.

“What I’ve proposed as a more representative alternative is to have a crime called penetration without consent, and avoid the force issue,” Murphy said. It would then be up to the juries to determine what is and what is not consent on a case-by-case basis. 'I am LeBron James'
While many states have created laws to deal with “unequal relationships” — such as those between a doctor and a patient or a teacher and a student — defining fraud in equal relationships is much more difficult, said Patricia Falk, a professor at Cleveland-Marshall College of Law who has written extensively on the subject.

“What’s the difference between ‘I will love you forever and we’re going to get married’ and ‘I am LeBron James?’” Falk asked. “What constitutes romantic inducements and things that are fraudulent enough for the law to take recognition of?”

© 2011 msnbc.com

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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2011 08:18 pm
@hawkeye10,
I agree Hawkeye for once with Firefly I do not wish to just accept crazy and insane laws dealing with the subject of rape or any other issue.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2011 08:18 pm
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DNA links Redding man to '08 rape; he's now accused of 2011 attack on girl
By Jim Schultz
Record Searchlight
September 30, 2011

A Redding man suspected of sexually assaulting an 11-year-old girl might well have been behind bars at the time of the alleged attack if DNA tests ordered after an earlier rape and kidnapping case had been performed.

Arthur Lee Perkins, the man now accused of the assault on the 11-year-old, was recharged Thursday with raping a drunken 17-year-old in a case that was dismissed in 2009.

District Attorney Stephen Carlton said Friday that a Department of Justice lab in the Sacramento area failed to test a dress with semen on it in that 2008 rape case.

Had the test been performed and Perkins convicted, he might still have been in prison, Carlton said.

Perkins, 39, was arrested in July on suspicion of sexually assaulting the 11-year-old and threatening to kill her and her family if she told anyone, police have said.

He has pleaded not guilty to 11 felony counts, including sodomy, aggravated sexual assault of a child, forcible lewd acts on a child, terrorist threats, threatening a witness, assault with a deadly weapon, possession of a controlled substance, carrying a dagger and special enhancements.

The 2008 rape case against Perkins was refiled after a lab in Shasta County tested the dress at the request of the DA's office when Perkins was arrested in July, Carlton said.

The DNA evidence from that dress linked Perkins to the 2008 rape, prosecutors said.

Perkins was cleared in 2009 of kidnapping, beating and raping a drunken Redding teenager who said she had been raped after she left a party during the summer of 2008.

Shasta County Senior Deputy District Attorney Ben Hanna said at the time case was dismissed the DNA evidence did not provide a match with Perkins.

Carlton said the tests matched a juvenile the girl knew, but the teen denied having sex with him.

Hanna said in 2009 additional tests were being conducted on the alleged rape victim's clothing to see if that might still link Perkins to the crime.

Carlton said Friday the dress that finally yielded the DNA evidence was not tested by the Sacramento area DOJ lab after it earlier tested another piece of evidence, the teen's tampon, which did not provide a positive match.

"The DOJ should have tested it (the dress) anyway," he said.

But he said he had a difficult time faulting the DOJ for not testing the dress after the tampon testing turned up negative. The agency has limited resources and must also prioritize its heavy workload, he said.

"In a perfect world, everything should have been tested," Carlton said.

A DOJ spokesperson could not be contacted after business hours on Friday.

Perkins is now charged with six felonies in the 2008 case, including rape by force or fear and kidnap to commit a robbery.

In the case, Perkins is accused of attacking and raping the teen about 3 a.m. on July 11. 2008, as she was walking near Gold and Waldon streets after attending a party. The alleged victim is now 21.

A police report says the girl told officers she drank three or four 40-ounce King Cobra beers at the party and was walking alone to a friend's house afterward when she was knocked unconscious by someone who attacked her from behind.

The girl said she awoke to find Perkins, who apparently also had attended the party, taking off her panties and that he repeatedly threatened to kill her and then raped her, the police report said.

Although those charges were dropped, Perkins was sentenced to four years in prison after pleading guilty to an unrelated felony vandalism charge.

He already had been in jail for nearly a year and was required to serve 50 percent of the vandalism sentence before being eligible for parole.

It could not be learned Friday how long Perkins had been out of prison before the alleged assault on the 11-year-old.

He is scheduled for trial in that case Dec. 6.

In August, Perkins, who is being held in Shasta County jail without bail, was sentenced to nearly nine years in prison after he admitted he violated probation in an unrelated case. He must serve 50 percent of that prison sentence before being eligible for parole.

Perkins pleaded not guilty at his Thursday arraignment in the 2008 rape case and is scheduled for a preliminary hearing on Oct. 12.
http://www.redding.com/news/2011/sep/30/dna-links-man-to-08-rape/

Unfortunately, the 2008 rape case may have been considered "unfounded" or even an instance of "false allegation" since initial DNA tests did not match this man to the rape of the 17 year old. But, continued testing of that girl's clothing this year did produce a DNA match, and he has now been charged with that crime--but, in the interim period, while he was free, he apparently continued to rape--and he is now also charged with the rape of an 11 year old this year.

Insufficient evidence, as was initially the case with the 2008 rape, does not mean the allegation was false or unfounded---and this current case is a good example of that. Sadly, an 11 year old had to be raped this year before further, and necessary, testing on the evidence from the 2008 rape of the 17 year old was done. The more thorough the investigation of all rape complaints, including the thorough testing of all evidence, the more likely it is that rapists will be apprehended, and future rapes thereby prevented. And that's the lesson law enforcement just learned in this instance.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2011 08:26 pm
@firefly,
Hawkeye do you see any point in Firefly posting stories concerning rapes that we are all likely to agree are rape and should be punish as such????

Is her point on the last story that any man charge with rape should be found guilty without evidence in case he is indeed a rapist and then will rape a 11 years old girl in the future?

So Firefly is that your point the man should had been found guilty and lock up even if the state at the time did not have the proof he was guilty?

The state did drop the ball in this case but beyond that being sad I do not see the point of your story.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2011 08:27 pm
@firefly,
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Insufficient evidence, as was initially the case with the 2008 rape, does not mean the allegation was false or unfounded---and this current case is a good example of that
And likewise I have no doubt but that you believe it better that 99 men be locked up for rape and be innocent than to let one guilt man go free.....such is the degree you are warped by your hatred of men.

WFT happened?... did some boy you wanted when you were a young girl turn you down for a more pretty girl?
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2011 08:38 pm
@hawkeye10,
God, are you a schmuck. Laughing
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2011 08:40 pm
@BillRM,
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Hawkeye do you see any point in Firefly posting stories concerning rapes that we are all likely to agree are rape and should be punish as such????


sure, she is trying to frame the debate as when ever anyone talks about rape they are talking about violent trangressive sexual assault. She is trying to push her Bullshit assertions that we all know what rape is, it is always horrific, almost all men who are said to be sexual abusers are, and women are pure and thus should always be believed. Her thinking is black and white with the bias that women are wonderful and that men suck, and any evidence that does not fit her warped and myopic world view is destined to be ignored by her. As we see so often with Firefly she is attached to the tactic of trying to tell a lie often enough that it becomes the truth, and she goes to the well again and again with the feminist tactic of trying to make men feel guilty for their alleged crimes against women and for the alleged crimes of all men who have ever lived so that when women demand **** men will be conditioned to cough it up without question or objection. Men that Firefly can not emotionally manipulate are her worse nightmare...she has no plan B, as we have seen in this thread. When she needs to resort to fact evidence and logic she has nearly nothing to offer.
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2011 08:43 pm
@BillRM,
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The state did drop the ball in this case but beyond that being sad I do not see the point of your story.

That's enough of a point.

Dropping the ball in the 2008 case, allowed this man to remain free to rape again, which is what he apparently did--this time the rape of an 11 year old.
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2011 08:48 pm
@hawkeye10,
You are as paranoid as hell regarding women. Keep talking, your psychopathology is fascinating.

Still wearing your tin foil hat? Laughing
 

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