@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye
As you did not address my post (incoherent as it may have been late last night),
so, I'll ask the question again - you clearly state that in your opinion “often abuse is nearly a blessing”
hawkeye10 wrote:
Only the most alive people can do this, and I have found it surprising to me that a lot of these people have suffered deeply at some point in their lives. I catch hell for saying this in the childhood sexual abuse survivor community, but I have come to the conclusion that often abuse is nearly a blessing. The best amongst us have often been forged by abuse, it becomes the fuel that propels us to becoming fully awake, fully aware of our strength, and fully aware of what matters in this life.
http://able2know.org/topic/153679-2#post-4193362
so, in your world being abused can make the victim stronger, it wakens them – being abused is therefore a good thing, a blessing as you put it.
You claim to argue for the
rights of victims – you state in the bullying thread
Quote:the weak are to be improved as best as possible, we need all hands on deck, there is no time to play nurse maid to a bunch of people who don't know how to look after themselves.
along with
hawkeye10 wrote:
Quote:Victims must be victims". ******* RUBBISH! Victims usually have done nothing to deserve any of the torment they get
I never claimed that they did, the victim is not defined by actions, but rather by how they see themselves which comes out in their personalities. I learned this working with child sexual abuse victims, who as adults would find themselves victimized again and again by different people. The victims always seems clueless, saying something to the effect "I dont understand how I can be so unlucky that all the men I get involved with want to abuse me". These victims attract abusers, who can spot them a mile away, and then can figure out what makes then tick so that they can get what they want.
The good news is that victims can change, stop being victims. The bad news is that they will not so long as they continue to blame their troubles on abusers, or those who fail to protect them from abusers, and dont take a look inside themselves. The outward blaming of others rapidly becomes a defense mechanism, it acts as an excuse to never do the required inward work on themselves.
and here you state
hawkeye10 wrote:
I am content to continue to point out what I see as the truth, and to argue my case, in spite of the fact that most people dont want to hear it. Majorities are sometimes built slowly, as the truth becomes inescapable.
The argument that I am a moral reprobate is not worthy of consideration, reality is not either moral or immoral...I am either right or I am wrong, that is the only context in which judgment of my position is relevant.
Your world to me appears to be a world of actually “creating” victims so that you can then make them stronger for the greater good, therefore weeding out the weak ones to make the stronger race...your collective.
http://able2know.org/topic/143339-5#post-4176286
hawkeye10 wrote:
My kids learned early on not to pick on people who are not strong enough to handle it, but they have certainly at times taunted in the attempt to inspire a better effort.
If I caught my kids picking on a weakling we would at least have words, whether I give an order depends upon what I find out.
(bolded for emphasis)
hawkeye10 wrote:
I believe strongly that our main job as parents is to raise and release quality adults, it is not to protect children from all harm that might come their way. Life is full contact, it serves no ones best interest to only teach them the fantasy of a Care Bear world
With your line of thinking it appears that you perceive sexual assault as a long-term blessing, provided the victim does not act like a victim but believes that being raped/bullied was to make them stronger and the abuser should not be blamed for any of their troubles, and your active encouragement of raising children to taunt and inspire a better effort of the weak, if in your opinion, they are too weak and need to be taught a lesson - your theory of get stronger, quit whining and work on your stronger inward self.
People do not need to be taunted to inspire better efforts, children ought to be encouraged to inspire better efforts. Children/adults do not need to be sexually assaulted to be made to feel alive or find themselves wakened or to realise what matters in life.
There are far more positive ways to live life.
No-one asks to be raped.
Quote:there are ways for a society to handle agression and power in sex other than to bad mouth it, criminalize it, and put a lot of people in prison. This war on aggressive sex is a futile as is the war on drugs, both are trying to use the criminal justice system to handle "problems" that it can not solve
.
Therefore, from an early age, find the weaklings, mould them through taunting and abuse because the weak need to be improved, after the abuse they will become stronger because you will tell them they are, and therefore they will not be victims any longer and therefore there will be less abusers...
Bizarre!
Strangely perhaps, I do
completely agree that victims should not be victims - I do believe that one must be strong and not be a victim, one must empower themselves, grow stronger during and throughout any of life's curve balls and that comes from the inner self, confidence, it can take a lot of hard work and energy to feel better about oneself but it can be done if one doesn't view onself as a victim...
however, I just don't see it in the same way that you do or would go about it in the same way that you do.
From your words, you seem to create the victim then blame the victim for their weaknesses, so that your collective can then improve it.
