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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 04:32 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Considering that the criminal system runs a victim restitution program allowing victims to go into the civil courts to get more is double dipping. One or the other needs to be ended.


It is not double dipping, since some expenses are covered by victim restitution, but others are not. The whole issue of punitive and emotional damages--which can easily go into the millions--would not be covered by a victim restitution program. You cannot deprive someone of their right to a civil suit. And that would include an individual who has been falsely accused.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 04:46 pm
@firefly,
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It is not double dipping, since some expenses are covered by victim restitution, but others are not.
please give an example of what is not other than pain and suffering...
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 04:54 pm
@Arella Mae,
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It has always been about WOMEN and rape.
Then you would be aware that your side has introduced minors into the argument. You would also be aware from my posts that a major cause of women being raped is men being raped in prison who are then released.
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I won't blame my bad behavior on my father because he raped me.
Your bad behaviour was due to low self esteem. This is very common in this situation because abused children blame themselves. Why else would someone they love treat them so badly unless they were bad children ?
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We all pick our own battles to champion. The Libby Lobby has never been one of mine.
And like many women you have never said anything bad about it because it only attacks men and you may benefit from that. Even now, presented with this excellent opportunity, you say nothing bad about the Libby Lobby. All that is required for evil to win is for good people to do nothing.
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 04:59 pm
@Arella Mae,
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Do you honestly expect anyone to believe ther are more men raped than women?
Yes I do. Just look at the prison population and compare that to the number of women raped.
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I will agree rape is becoming a non-gender respector but I doubt you'd find any credible studies that will say overall more men are raped than women.
I have given reference to a study that has FAR more men raped then women. I doubt if you would find any credibility in a study that didnt find what you want.
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Kindly point to my post that says I believe the laws, the way they are now, are fair and just so that I may respond to that.
It was inferred from your stance. Are you saying the laws are unjust the way they are now ?
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 05:09 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

AM are you on drugs?

Lawmakers set the range of punishment for crimes, in Florida you have level of misdemeanors that are less then a year at most.

Then you have felonies starting with a year or more in prison, then you had a level of felonies that call for from 5 years to 15 years, then 15 years to life, then you have capital crimes that call for death or live in prison without parole.

At the moment, filing any false charge in a misdemeanor that a judge can not sentence you to more then one day less then a year.

Most rapes are a level two felony where the punishment is five years to 15 years and that is the normal range of punishment that a judge can decide on.

For some crimes there is a mandatory sentence that a judge can not go below no matter what.

Now do you understand or not?


No, I am not on drugs but I am beginning to think you are. You are the one that was posting lawmakers were throwing rapists into jail for just any old amount of time they wanted to. I was trying to tell you what you just posted all along. Judges cannot just pull a sentence out of the air. The sentences are regulated by laws. Well, however you finally got around to realizing it, works I guess.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 05:11 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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The emotional and character/reputation damages to the person falsely accused should be handled in civil court, just as slander and libel are dealt with in civil court. Deliberate slander and libel are also
extremely hurtful and hateful actions. That is what civil court is for.


The emotional and character/reputation damages to the woman rape victim should be handled in civil court, just as filing a false charge of rape is now handle.




Okay even for you that is plain stupid. I suppose a woman or man, for that matter, that is beaten, stabbed, shot, etc., from a rapist should just take them to civil court?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 05:12 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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What on earth would be accomplished by putting this woman in jail? I think she's already wasted enough of the taxpayer's money.
I agree, there are already way to many citizens in our jails. Publicizing her name and the nature of of dishonesty and the cost that she caused the taxpayers on a central website should be sufficient to discourage the practice of lying about rape.
LOL! Where is that forgiveness you want for rapists?
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 05:14 pm
@Ionus,
I guess you really can't read.
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 05:27 pm
@Arella Mae,
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Your stance is, as the above quote of yours clearly indicates, YOU don't care at all about what anyone else says, has said, or will say.
WOW ! You can imagine all that from my reluctance to go back to read from the start of the thread, despite it being plainly obvious that all the arguments in this thread are circular ? Depsite my being here and reading every post in this thread from about half way, and despite more than 50 pages of the first half being njon-topic, you think I can only comment on rape if I read the thoughts of your glorious mind ? Really ?
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You have proven how much you DO NOT CARE.
Like you care about rape.....bullshit. You have some sick twist that makes you search out rape stories. You don't care about the greatest number of rapes which occur to men. You just want to have a hand holding cry about sexual power and how you wish you had more of it....hint....grow a penis...you will be a better woman.
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 05:30 pm
@Intrepid,
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Ionus seems to be familiar with the prison system. He keeps talking about men being raped in prison. The moron doesn't seem to acknowledge that even if that is true, it is still men doing the raping.
It is true you doddering old fart, and it shows your anti-man stance. You have been asexual too long. Try to remember what it was like to have testosterone. You only want to blame men and tell women how awful their lives are...you are one sick **** and are in excellent company with the sick bitches here-in.
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 05:32 pm
@Arella Mae,
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He is blinded by his own agenda and that agenda seems to be ME, ME, ME!
Your agenda is RAPE RAPE RAPE....it is very empowering for bitches who have made bad choices in life and need a scapegoat.

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I'd be happy to buy him a white cane if it would help.
I'd be happy to buy you are vibrator if it would get you over your blaming men for your lousy choices.
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 05:34 pm
@firefly,
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This is the same story I posted earlier.
Is this story particularly enjoyable or are you running out of juicy ones ?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 05:43 pm
@Arella Mae,
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I guess you really can't read.
Correct. I have the smartest seeing eye dog ever. Do you know why my dog is smarter than you ?
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 06:25 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:
WOW ! You can imagine all that from my reluctance to go back to read from the start of the thread, despite it being plainly obvious that all the arguments in this thread are circular ? Depsite my being here and reading every post in this thread from about half way, and despite more than 50 pages of the first half being njon-topic, you think I can only comment on rape if I read the thoughts of your glorious mind ? Really ?

I do not find you a very irrational human being. The reason I said that was because you were making claims about people saying or not saying things and you had no idea if they had said it or not. You made it clear you weren't going to find out what they said. You made it clear you think I am lying about my being raped but yet did not care enough to even go back and read about it in case you were mistaken. I think it common sense to deduct from that your opinion means more to you than having a common, civil, and equally informational discussion.

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Like you care about rape.....bullshit. You have some sick twist that makes you search out rape stories. You don't care about the greatest number of rapes which occur to men. You just want to have a hand holding cry about sexual power and how you wish you had more of it....hint....grow a penis...you will be a better woman.

What is your obsession with men being raped in prison? Seems like a really pretty sick obsession if you ask me. You do realize it is other men that are raping them, right? Intrepid pointed that out. Oh, and you know what? Women get raped in prison too and you know what else? They get raped by men and women. And Ionus, I already have more cojones than you do. I have confronted what happened to me and I got the help I needed and I am a much happier person. You growing a penis isn't going to do a thing to make you a man. Men that think that thing between their legs makes them a man are jokes to women. You have done nothing but whine and bitch and moan the whole time you have been on this thread. You are self-absorbed and I honestly don't find any compassion in you. I don't really like you as a person but I have compassion for you. I feel terrible for you that you were raped and that now your life is filled with anger and resentment. Resentment is like taking poison and expecting someone else to die. Resentment only hurts YOU. Again, if you had read this thread you would realize I haven't said a thing about having sexual power. You obviously are projecting.

What I do care about is ANYONE that is raped gets the help they need in order to heal. I see absolutely no evidence you have healed from your rape and I do find that terribly sad. You waste your life with obsession and anger instead of realizing you can't blame ALL when it was ONE that did something. If you want to be a real man, then deal with your issues and then try to help other people like you that are still obviously in pain from what happened to them.

Keep in mind, this is all my opinion and I'm entitled to it, just as you are. The only difference is I don't get my jollies beating up on people that disagree with me or throw fits and act like a spoiled child because someone else has different levels of importance than I have concerning something.

Perhaps before you join in discussions on a forum you should look up what are commonly known rules for discussion.

At least every once in awhile Bill or Hawkeye will show some compassion. Hawkeye seems to have enough intelligence to realize you can't equate certain things.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 06:31 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:
Your agenda is RAPE RAPE RAPE....it is very empowering for bitches who have made bad choices in life and need a scapegoat.


Seriously, you are showing signs of needing professional help. I pray that you get it.

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I'd be happy to buy you are vibrator if it would get you over your blaming men for your lousy choices.


This is why I say you need help. You obviously are projecting your feelings onto me. I said I don't and will not blame my father raping me for the bad choices I've made. They were my decisions and I can blame no one for them but myself.

I do apologize for the white cane comment. I should not have said it. But please, do get some help for what happened to you.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 06:33 pm
@Arella Mae,
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LOL! Where is that forgiveness you want for rapists?
I dont want forgiveness for rapists, I want for us to take a more educated look at the sexual behaviour of humans, largely move back to the definition for rape as it existed up until very recently, nail those who rape and give those who get into other sexual situations that they dont come away feeling good about the opportunity to learn new ways of conducting themselves that might leave them more happy.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 06:33 pm
@Ionus,
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Correct. I have the smartest seeing eye dog ever. Do you know why my dog is smarter than you ?
Say what you want. I know the only reason you are trying to be hateful and hurtful to me is because you are in pain. I will keep you in my prayers. Just a thought, Ionus, it takes more courage to get help than it does to stay wallowing in self-pity and anger.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 06:35 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
I dont want forgiveness for rapists, I want for us to take a more educated look at the sexual behaviour of humans, largely move back to the definition for rape as it existed up until very recently, nail those who rape and give those who get into other sexual situations that they dont come away feeling good about the opportunity to learn new ways of conducting themselves that might leave them more happy.
Then perhaps you should go back to the beginning of this thread where you were talking about women shouldn't want to put their rapists in jail but just forgive them. That is not a direct quote so don't jump me for it. What it is, is the point I got from what you posted.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 06:46 pm
@BillRM,
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Nonsense as there is nothing stopping the lawmakers from punishing false charges of rape with the same level of punishment as for rape.

Like rape it is a crime against both the society and the individual and should be punish in a similar manner unless you can show that the harm of being charge falsely with such a crime is somehow less to both the society and the individual then a rape happen to be on average.

So how Firefly is a woman who is force down and have a penis force into her against her will harm in a greater manner then a man who is charge with such a crime falsely?

A man who can end up spending months in jail and with or without bail he will have months on end facing the possibility/fear of being send to prison for twenty years or so for a crime he did not do.

I did completely misunderstand this post. I was at work and read it too fast. I do apologize. Even though I think anyone filing a false rape report should be punished a little harsher than they currently are, I still do not believe you can equate the effects of someone being raped and someone falsely accusing someone. I will say that the effects can and very often are very devastating to those involved but in very different ways.
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