Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@BillRM,

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Firefly please never charge anyone on this thread in the future about not caring about rape victims as you had shown you have no concern about men who are harm at least to the same degree.

But William, they did try to cheer me up by laughing and sneering at me...saying that if I was a real man it wouldnt bother me if I was raped. And they did dismiss with a wave of a hand the fact that most rapes are against men because it is unsuitable for the Libby agenda. And they dont want women prosecuted for false reports as it is too time consuming for Police but the false report itself is OK. And they did a very clever job of cutting and pasting to prove their agenda is sheer emotional bullshit. And they did declare anyone who cautioned as to the difficulty of proving innocence under the current law to be a rapist. So you see they are very reasonable and.......Hey.....wait a minute.....

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@firefly,

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Not solely on the basis of a deliberate lie by a woman. Maybe 4 years.

Oh, ONLY four years...well put me down for a couple ....

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@Intrepid,

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I didn't say you are a rapist, asshole. I said you condone and appear to advocate rape.

It seems the only thing that stays in your mind is your latest post. ARSEHOLE.

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@Intrepid,

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It seems that Ionus is taking English grammar lessons from Billy.

It seems that your arrogance also extends to exclude people who's native language is not english. What an educated well rounded arsehole you are...

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@firefly,

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So, BillRM, do you want that nun charged with filing a false report of rape? What do you think her punishment should be?

You would not wish a priest charge with rape now would you?

In any case I can not comment about the punishment of some nun should get as I am not sure what case you are referring to that a nun had file a false charge of rape however in general a nun who knowingly file a false charge of rape should be given a jail sentence in the same manner of a priest who rape someone.

Being a nun should not come into it one way or another.

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

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It seems that Ionus is taking English grammar lessons from Billy.
It seems that your arrogance also extends to exclude people who's native language is not english. What an educated well rounded arsehole you are...

Are you saying that your native language is not English?

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@tenderfoot,

tenderfoot wrote:

arella mae
Nope --- just altered the sex of whome he was talking about... have another read.

Ah, okay. Thanx.

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

You talk about insensitivity when your side has blatantly ignored the majority of rapes and talked about the few that happen to women whilst saying that the laws the way they are now are fair and just. Are you really that insensitive or just brainwashed ?

First, read the title of this thread, please. It has always been about WOMEN and rape. Firefly started this thread with a SPECIFIC TOPIC. In conversations and discussions it is common courtesy to stick to the topic. Of course, due to freedom of speech, anyone has the right to deviate from that topic but, if they do, they should not berate others for trying to stick to the topic. I'm not insensitive. ANYONE being raped whether it be child, teenager, man, woman, or the elderly all deserve compassion for what has happened to them. I have said that continually throughout this thread, as have others.

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Yes, you did. Being raped as a child and the resultant sexual promiscuity that usually arises from that is a double hit.

The resulting promiscuity was the result of my making the wrong choices and thinking I was justified in doing so because someone had hurt me. I won't blame my bad behavior on my father because he raped me.

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Which has nothing to do with how these things DID affect you in the past.

Your opinion and you are entitled to it.

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Here is another problem. Many women plead ignorance when things are done on their behalf, but the saying " For evil to triumph, all that is required is for good men to do nothing", also applies to women when the Libby Lobby is wrecking society.

It applies to many things, most assuredly. We all pick our own battles to champion. The Libby Lobby has never been one of mine.

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negative consent would be an oxymoron

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

You talk about insensitivity when your side has blatantly ignored the majority of rapes and talked about the few that happen to women whilst saying that the laws the way they are now are fair and just. Are you really that insensitive or just brainwashed ?

Do you honestly expect anyone to believe ther are more men raped than women? I will agree rape is becoming a non-gender respector but I doubt you'd find any credible studies that will say overall more men are raped than women.

Kindly point to my post that says I believe the laws, the way they are now, are fair and just so that I may respond to that.

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@firefly,

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That is how the crime is classified. The crime is taking up police resources and effort based on a false report.

The whole problem here is YOU are talking about what the law actually says and HE is talking about what he wants it to say. Until he catches up to that fact, you know the result.

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@BillRM,

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Nonsense as there is nothing stopping the lawmakers from punishing false charges of rape with the same level of punishment as for rape.

Lawmakers don't punish anyone. The criminal justice system does. Neither attorneys, judges, nor juries are at liberty to impose any sentence they feel like.

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So how Firefly is a woman who is force down and have a penis force into her against her will harm in a greater manner then a man who is charge with such a crime falsely?

It seems Firefly and most of the others are perfectly capable of understanding that you cannot equate these two crimes. Why you cannot understand that, I have no clue but it seems even hawkeye had a problem with your statement. I actually gave hawkeye a thumbs up for his post admonishing you.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Rape accusation 'traumatizing,' former suspect says

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-09-18/justice/hofstra.case_1_face-charges-rice-accused?_s=PM:CRIME

September 18, 2009

"It was like a big nightmare," Taveras said on HLN's "Issues with Jane Velez-Mitchell" on Thursday night.Four young men falsely accused of raping an 18-year-old student at Hofstra University were trying to return their lives to normal Friday after an ordeal that two of them described as traumatic.

"I was really scared. I couldn't believe what was basically going through my mind. It was like a big nightmare, and I thought I was going to do time for something I didn't do," 20-year-old Kevin Taveras told HLN's "Issues with Jane Velez-Mitchell."

"It was devastating," he said. "I was there just letting the clock tick and tick."

Please show me where anyone has said it would not be traumatizing? Just because someone might think it is not as traumatizing as you apparently think it is does not mean they don't thnk it it is not traumatizing at all. It has been stated over and over again how the rest of us feel about this. You ignore it because we don't take it to the point of obsession as you have.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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We've also discussed all of this before, and I'm not interested in continuing to discuss it any further because it's just redundant
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Can not defend the idea that a false charge of rape is a lessor crime then a rape now can you.

To be fair it is hard task to take on when it is so harmful it can lead to suicides of innocent men

Tell you what, do some research on how many women, men, children, and the elderly kill themselves because they were raped. Then reread your statement. No one is trying to defend it that it is a lesser crime in the regard as to how it can affect a person. CURRENT LAW dictates it is a lesser crime and that is why the punishment is different. No one is advocating that it is the right thing to do. We keep telling you that but you only hear what you want to hear.

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

I wouldnt refer to this thread with the hint it is a source. There have been many circular arguments going on, and since when does someone have to go back to the start of a thread to understand the problem ?

It is perfectly clear now to understand why you take the stance you do in this thread about women being raped. Your stance is, as the above quote of yours clearly indicates, YOU don't care at all about what anyone else says, has said, or will say. Even if they said something YOU might agree with, who cares? It's not important to YOU to understand how others view this. It is only important to YOU because it is YOU!

You don't really care a bit about what anyone else has said. You have decided how we all view things and that is all that matters to you. You have made blanket statements about those of us that disagree with you and when asked to provide your source (from the thread since it is WHERE THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN HELD) you evade, dodge, misrepresent or let us all know how HIGHLY unimportant it is to you. You didn't have much credibility with me before and right now add hawkeye's and bill's credibility with me and well the little bit of respect I have for them as humans has now, relatively speaking, grown exponentially.

If you are wanting a discussion with someone, anyone, it's a good idea to know what they have said about something before you go mouthing off.

A great saying.........."No one cares how much you know until they know how much you care."

You have proven how much you DO NOT CARE.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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So, BillRM, do you want that nun charged with filing a false report of rape? What do you think her punishment should be?

You would not wish a priest charge with rape now would you?

In any case I can not comment about the punishment of some nun should get as I am not sure what case you are referring to that a nun had file a false charge of rape however in general a nun who knowingly file a false charge of rape should be given a jail sentence in the same manner of a priest who rape someone.

Being a nun should not come into it one way or another.

You had PLENTY to say about it when she posted it in this thread. Why do you think anyone should pay attention to what you say when you obviously don't pay attention to what you say?

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Okay, I think I'm caught up now. Laughing

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@Arella Mae,

Arella Mae wrote:

Ionus wrote:
You talk about insensitivity when your side has blatantly ignored the majority of rapes and talked about the few that happen to women whilst saying that the laws the way they are now are fair and just. Are you really that insensitive or just brainwashed ?

Do you honestly expect anyone to believe ther are more men raped than women? I will agree rape is becoming a non-gender respector but I doubt you'd find any credible studies that will say overall more men are raped than women.

Kindly point to my post that says I believe the laws, the way they are now, are fair and just so that I may respond to that.

Ionus seems to be familiar with the prison system. He keeps talking about men being raped in prison. The moron doesn't seem to acknowledge that even if that is true, it is still men doing the raping.

Rolling Eyes

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@Intrepid,

He is blinded by his own agenda and that agenda seems to be ME, ME, ME! So, I'd be happy to buy him a white cane if it would help.

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@Arella Mae,

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negative consent would be an oxymoron

You are drinking Firefly's koolaid I see.....be carefull, as I am fairly sure it kills brain cells, and you seem to not have a plentiful supply to start with

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Negative consent, when a potential subject's failure to decline or respond to an invitation to participate is treated as consent should almost always be avoided. In some cases, the researcher may want subjects who decide not to participate to indicate this on the consent form and return it. In those cases, the researcher should add an assurance that prospective subjects who decide not to return the form will not be included in the study.

http://research.ucsc.edu/compliance/hsinform.shtml

The feminists teach that consent must be positive, active, ongoing and preferably vocal because that is what THEY want to see, but there are many other types of consent, some of which are for the moment recognized by law.

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