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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 02:47 am
@firefly,
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Maybe 4 years


Only four years my I guess that means that it is no big deal at all so how about having only only four years as being the sentence for false rapes charges?

Or better yet set the average sentence for false charges to be the same as for the average sentence for such a rape.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 02:59 am

Well at least the woman got a year and did not walk.


http://www.metro.co.uk/news/840834-facebook-fling-ends-in-jail-for-false-rape-claims

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Facebook fling ends in jail for false rape claims
A shop worker who pursued a Facebook fling with an old schoolfriend drove him to attempt suicide when she then falsely accused him of rape.
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Guilty: Elizabeth Wilkinson outside Burnley crown court. She was handed a year in jail Pictures:Cavendish
Elizabeth Wilkinson was jailed for 12 months for wrongly claiming David Lord raped her four times, as revenge for him spurning her advances.

After he refused to take a one-night stand further, Wilkinson bombarded him with more than 80 threatening text messages before telling police that he raped her four times.

Mr Lord, a 23-year-old father-of-two, last night spoke of his relief as Wilkinson began her jail term.

He revealed he twice tried to kill himself, once by hanging, as he struggled with the stigma of being an alleged rapist.‘I just couldn’t handle it. Mud sticks,’ he said. ‘All I want now is closure and to rebuild my life.

‘I think she thoroughly deserved to go to prison for what she put my children through.’

Wilkinson, a 21-year-old from Oswaldtwistle in Lancashire, pleaded guilty at Burnley crown court of perverting the course of justice. She had sent Mr Lord a Facebook message in September, telling him he looked ‘sexy’, after he had been into her shop.

They agreed to go on a date and ended up at Mr Lord’s flat in Foulridge, Lancashire. Wilkinson went prepared, with a bag containing 14 sex toys.

After Mr Lord told her he did not want a relationship, she told a colleague he had been ‘aggressive and intimidating’, forcing her to have sex.

She also sent an abusive Facebook message to the mother of one of his children. Mr Lord, who has sons aged four and two, was arrested, held in a cell for six-and-a-half hours and interrogated.

But officers became suspicious of Wilkinson’s story and found her aggressive when they tried to question her again.

Her lawyer blamed her severe depression and insisted she was sorry for the anguish she caused.

Outside court, Mr Lord said: ‘I can’t believe anyone would lie about something so serious. I could have lost my sons – all because of wounded pride.’


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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 03:04 am
Three years in jail wonderful however did she get it for the false charge or for stealing his belonging and money?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11709696


Last week Kate Woodhead from Surrey was sentenced to three years in prison for falsely accusing her ex-boyfriend of rape.

She also stole thousands of pounds worth of his belongings, and transferred the ownership of his car and motorbike to her own name.

Woodhead had falsely claimed Paul Joseph had drugged her with diazepam. He was arrested and questioned by police but the allegation was dropped when officers became suspicious that she had made it up.

He told BBC Radio 5 live's Stephen Nolan how the accusations started.

You can listen to the full interview again on the BBC Radio 5 live website.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 03:08 am
@BillRM,
You are overlooking the fact that the prosecutor must be sure the evidence, including the victim's statement, is substantial and credible enough to take to trial.
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Judge Patrick Robertshaw launched a stinging attack on the Crown Prosecution Service for making Mr Fadayomi stand trial.
He said: 'The evidence did not, and was never going to, prove rape. The prime overriding consideration in the CPS's decision had been merely that the complainant
wished the case to go ahead.
'It was little short of a craven abdication of responsibility for making an independent and fair-minded assessment of the case.


And, in the Duke case, the D.A. also did not have enough evidence of rape to move ahead with the case, and should not have moved ahead.

Prosecutors have responsibilities. And one of those is to make sure their witnesses are credible.

Rape victims commit suicide too. Last fall a college student alleged she had been raped by a student from a nearby college, she didn't feel the complaint was taken seriously and she committed suicide.

I'm not saying that the filing of a false police report is no big deal, or that the trauma to the person falsely accused is no big deal. I just don't see the filing of a false police report as equivalent to the crime of rape. And I feel the remedy for harm and damages to the person falsely named is in civil court because I see it as slander.

We've also discussed all of this before, and I'm not interested in continuing to discuss it any further because it's just redundant.


BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 03:18 am
http://www.startribune.com/local/east/46508057.html

Although the charges have been dropped, Scott Michael Waite still feels he’s been left in the dark after an Oakdale woman accused him of rape. He lost his job, spent time on house arrest and left a Christian university 30 credits short of graduation.



Rape charges dropped, but scars remain
With a rape case against him dismissed, an Oakdale man struggles to put his life back together.

By KEVIN GILES, Star Tribune

Last update: May 29, 2009 - 10:51 PM
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For more than three months, Scott Michael Waite wore an electronic ankle bracelet that made him a prisoner in his own home. With his reputation sullied and his life put on hold, he sat accused of raping a 26-year-old woman he had met in an Oakdale bar on a cold January night. ¶ But in a recent unique turn of events, after an exhaustive investigation by his attorney, Ryan Garry, prosecutors dropped the charges in April. Waite, 29, now must rebuild his life. ¶ "I'm pretty shook up by the whole thing," Waite said. "I was treated like a complete criminal. To hear people say these malicious things about me is really hurtful." ¶ The case was dropped "in the interest of justice" and was an unusual one "where we get information after the fact and feel we really can't prove our case at all," said Susan Harris, first assistant attorney in Washington County. "In this particular case, they found a lot of people willing to come forward and speak against [the accuser]."

Garry, a Minneapolis criminal defense attorney, said that it's "very difficult and very rare" for a prosecutor to drop a felony case after filing criminal charges. In addition, recent Minnesota crime statistics show only about 6 percent of all alleged rapes are classified as "unfounded."

Garry went to Washington County District Court with statements from 13 witnesses who contended that the woman had a promiscuous history and, when caught, would fabricate a rape story. One of them was a former husband, who said that no fewer than 15 times -- including the day after their wedding -- she'd told him she'd been raped.

"You can't rape the willing is what I said," the former husband, who lives in Texas, told private investigator Raymond DiPrima.

A chance encounter

Two troubled lives converged in mid-January when Waite, then a student at a Pentecostal university in Minneapolis, drove home from Beer Belly's Bar in Oakdale with the woman, known in court documents as S.N.B.

Waite admits they had sex but said it was consensual. She alleged a violent rape. An Oakdale police officer observed she was "visibly upset, crying and shaking," according to the criminal complaint.

Neither Waite nor his accuser had an easy life, according to court documents and interviews. Both struggled to make genuine friends and find a social niche.

Waite, who never knew his father, drank too much and smoked marijuana. "I just made a lot of poor decisions when I was younger," Waite said in an interview. "Hanging out with the wrong crowd. Rebellion."

Defense witnesses in court documents alleged the woman once weighed as much as 300 pounds and drifted from one sexual encounter to another. She later had gastric bypass surgery to lose weight and then acted like a "supermodel," her second husband told an investigator.

Waite said he found God after a 2002 felony conviction for selling marijuana in St. Louis County. He enrolled at North Central University in Minneapolis, majoring in pastoral studies, to become a youth minister. He helped organize a summer sports league for inner-city youth. He flew to North Carolina to recruit new students for the university. Even while he was trying to shut away his past, he tried to "fit in" with people.

He said that's why, despite the Christian university's strict moral code forbidding alcohol and sex outside marriage, he went to the bar that night with a female friend to play poker. But that's not the woman he took home. Instead, it was another young woman he met only 45 minutes before closing time.

She came on strong, he said, sitting on his lap and grabbing at his clothes. Her version was the opposite -- that Waite was the aggressor. At 6:25 a.m. on Jan. 15, police knocked on his door in Oakdale.

After rape charges were filed and Waite was in jail, he parted with North Central University in a "mutual agreement" between his mother and school officials, Garry said. Waite was 30 credits short of graduation. He also lost his job in the school's athletic department. A university spokesman, Ryan Decker, declined to comment on whether Waite could re-enroll but said students who violate the school's morals policy might return "if it's in everybody's best interests."

Waite said he's been sober since the night at the bar and said he holds no malice toward his accuser. "I feel bad for her. I feel really bad that so many people have hurt her so bad that she had to lash out and try to ruin somebody's life," he said.

The alleged victim, in an interview Thursday, said she objected to dismissal of the charges. "I was really upset. It's not fair that he gets away with it," she said. "It looks like everything I said was a lie."

She also denied that she had made false rape allegations in the past. "I've never cried rape on anybody in my life and I never will," she said.

The woman said she's been "staying clear" of bars in past months. "If you're going to a bar, be careful; don't just go home with people you don't know," she said. "Watch out, keep your guard up. Bars are no place for meeting people."

The defense attorney said all the evidence, which he said includes statements the woman made on social networking sites, points in Waite's favor. "Scott's an innocent man," Garry said. "Hopefully this scarlet letter hanging around his neck disappears."

Checkered past

Garry said that the Oakdale Police Department failed to interview key people in a manner that would have avoided charges. Chief Bill Sullivan responded that police did what they're supposed to do and had established probable cause for Waite's arrest. But he also said that he supports the county attorney's decision and said police have no intention of pursuing the matter further.

The defense's strategy -- to prove that the alleged victim had a history of fabricating rape allegations -- conforms with a key provision in Minnesota's criminal sexual conduct law, said Stephen Simon, a University of Minnesota law professor. The rape shield law, as it's known, prohibits evidence of a victim's previous sexual conduct unless consent of the victim is a defense in the case. In that event, evidence showing that the current alleged crime fits a pattern of previous sexual conduct is admissible.

In the Waite case, Garry argued in a memorandum to Judge Elizabeth Martin, the victim had established a pattern of alleging rape to keep her husbands from learning of her infidelity.

Simon said non-stranger rape cases are difficult to charge and even more difficult to prosecute and convict.

"A common dynamic is that people meet each other in bars and they've been drinking," he said. "It's a question of 'she said, he said,' there's no question that sex occurred, it's whether did the woman say 'stop'. It's a real challenge for prosecutors."

Garry's court filing listed six witnesses willing to testify against the woman if the case had gone to trial. The list included a former husband, another the woman is currently divorcing and a man she met at the bar just one day after she reported the alleged rape to police. The man said he would testify that she went to his apartment with him after the bar closed and had sex.

Garry said the first-degree criminal sexual conduct charges against his client were second only to murder in their seriousness. An innocent man, Garry said, could have gone to prison for 12 years. But while Waite escaped a trial in a court of law, the stain of public opinion will be difficult to erase, he said.

"The real problem is the mere accusations of rape are ruinous to a person's life," Garry said.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 03:21 am
@firefly,
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You are overlooking the fact that the prosecutor must be sure the evidence, including the victim's statement, is substantial and credible enough to take to trial.


That the justice system did not work correctly is no excuse for a woman to level a false charge in the first place and should not have any bearing on her punishment.

Similar in fact to stating it is not the rapist fault it is the police fault for not stopping the rape.

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 03:22 am
@firefly,
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Prosecutors have responsibilities. And one of those is to make sure their witnesses are credible
and with as many times as we see prosecutors fail to live up to their responsibilities we are supposed to trust that they will?

What happened to the Duke Prosecutor? He served one day in jail, and was disbarred. For all the hurt he caused, not to mention expense, that is not much.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 03:27 am
@hawkeye10,
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What happened to the Duke Prosecutor? He served one day in jail, and was disbarred. For all the hurt he caused, not to mention expense, that is not much.

I believe he was sued in civil court.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 03:29 am
@firefly,
By the way Firefly was you not complaining on this thread that both the police and the DA were in some city were using their judgment to dismiss too high of a percent of rape charges as unfounded?

Seem that the police and DA is in a no win situation with you as if they take an unfounded case to trial it is their fault not the false accuser fault and if they filter them out you are not happy either.

After all the poor "rape' victim is entitle to her day in court.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 03:32 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

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YOU have children?
Are you still denying you are a child molester but saying I am a rapist ?


I didn't say you are a rapist, asshole. I said you condone and appear to advocate rape. Do you ever read what you post?
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 03:34 am
@firefly,
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We've also discussed all of this before, and I'm not interested in continuing to discuss it any further because it's just redundant
.

Can not defend the idea that a false charge of rape is a lessor crime then a rape now can you.

To be fair it is hard task to take on when it is so harmful it can lead to suicides of innocent men Razz



Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 03:36 am
@Arella Mae,
It seems that Ionus is taking English grammar lessons from Billy.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 03:39 am
@tenderfoot,
tenderfoot wrote:

So a woman has a moral duty to be understanding if her man end their sex life for non-medical reasons and she is pathetic if she then end her relationship with him over the issue or at least is willing to do so.

Would for example it not be far more honest and straight forward if she informed him upfront that she does not wish a no sex relationship and if that is his wish then she was ending the relationship.

You see AM in my example I put it in the worst possible light of an evil woman pressuring a poor man for sex but in the real world it hardly ever that simple and pressures are place all the time between couples over all kind of matters including sex.




If I hadn't read the user name, I would have thought this post was from Billy. Shocked
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 03:40 am
@firefly,
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you don't abolish a law because people make false allegations, just as you don't abolish the tax codes because some people cheat on their income tax.
You dont hand power over to the tax dept to shoot whoever they think might be a cheat.
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I would never urge someone to make a false allegation regarding any crime.
So exactly what is the purpose of your horror stories ? How are they helpful if not encouraging women to imagine rape ?
Quote:
The topic of this thread is the crime of rape--actual crimes of rape.
Then why have you left out rape against men, the largest number of rapes ?
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you certainly haven't explained the basis of your thinking by referring to the actual laws
Given your lack of acknowledgement or debate of any point I have made, why would I ? I have posted concerns with several laws that favour women, but you either didnt bother to read them or chose to ignore them as not empowering to women.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 03:42 am
@BillRM,
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Can not defend the idea that a false charge of rape is a lessor crime then a rape now can you.


No, the criminal charge is filing a false police report. It doesn't matter what kind of crime is falsely reported.

I do not think the filing of a false police report is equivalent to the crime of rape.

That's my opinion--I don't have to defend it.

So, BillRM, do you want that nun charged with filing a false report of rape? What do you think her punishment should be?
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 03:45 am
@Arella Mae,
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You have already just as much admitted you have not read everything on this thread.
I wouldnt refer to this thread with the hint it is a source. There have been many circular arguments going on, and since when does someone have to go back to the start of a thread to understand the problem ?

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We have stated numerous times that person needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
At this late stage you still do not understand our concerns...exactly how does the court determine a crime has not been committed when the law has a strong bias towards women ? How many women and DA's have been charged with wrongdoing in rape cases ?

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I am not going to give you a rundown of everything said in these 389 pages of discussion.
I summarised my position in a couple of lines. Dont you remember your position ?
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 03:48 am
@firefly,
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No, the criminal charge is filing a false police report. It doesn't matter what kind of crime is falsely reported.


That the current law and it is wrong for the reasons already given.

Filing a false police report on losing a wallet for example is and should not be punish in the same manner as filing a false rape report.

Quote:
I do not think the filing of a false police report is equivalent to the crime of rape.


It sure is when it can result in destroying an innocent man life and even in some cases driving him to suicide.

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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 03:49 am
@firefly,
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I witnessed a pre-teen girl having sex with her foster father and mother. I went to the Police, a female officer didnt believe me.
So, you should have some idea how a rape victim feels if she reports a rape and she is not believed. It is important to take all complaints of rape seriously enough to investigate them--and that's also how the police help to weed out the false allegations.
The only thing you got out of that was poor women.....unbelievable. Women have special status. Do you honestly think the female Police Officer didnt believe me because there was a man having sex with a pre-teen girl or because a woman was having sex with a pre-teen girl ?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 03:52 am
@firefly,
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it takes up police resources and time and wastes tax payer's money.
Dont you want to discourage crime or are you worried in might counter your lovely stories posted here and the effect you want them to achieve.

You seem to think that women can decide months after that they were raped and they shouldnt face trial all the while pretending to be in favour of prosecution of false reports. You would like to prosecute women, but it is just too hard, right ?
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2011 03:53 am
@firefly,
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That's my opinion--I don't have to defend it.


In that case it would seem that you are a false rape enabler. Drunk
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