Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

Felony charges for forcible rapes are included in all state statutes--they haven't been altered or "converted" in any way. You just don't understand the different degrees of felonies. And you are ignorant of the actual laws.

You and Hawkeye not only have your sick thoughts about women in common, you also seem to have the over abundant use of the word "bullshit" in common. Is that because you both seem to wallow in it?

felony sex laws were all massively revamped under pressure from the feminists during the early eighties, not only was the level of consent changed from demonstrated negative consent to active and knowing positive consent but the force requirement was removed, along with a host of other changes that happened at that time and later. Current sex law looks almost nothing like sex law pre 1980, both in statute and in practice

At this point, your ignorance is so abysmal, you are doing nothing except making a complete fool of yourself.
I really suggest you go and read the sexual assault/rape statutes for the state of Washington, where you live--you seem to be totally aware of what they say. Read through all the different felony classifications for rape. I think you'll be very shocked to find the rape laws cover far more than "date rape" ("No means no" statutes)--far more. And, even "date rape" can be a forcible rape.

That you criticize laws you haven't even read doesn't surprise me. Your main interest in this thread has been to use it as an excuse to launch a paranoid rant against your bogeymen--"rape feminists"--who you feel are plotting to curtail your BDSM activities. You don't have the slightest interest in, or apparent knowledge of, the actual current rape laws of the state in which you reside.

And, if you bother to read the rape laws for the state of Washington, and see all the felony charges that cover forcible rapes, I hope you realize that you will find your face covered with egg--enough egg to make omelets to feed all of A2K

Women lawmakers seek stronger rape and DNA laws
January 27, 2011

HONOLULU (AP) — The Women's Legislative Caucus is introducing bills that would remove the statute of limitations for rape cases, impound vehicles used for prostitution and require broader DNA collection in criminal cases.

The caucus announced its annual package of bills Thursday.

Other measures would prohibit putting handcuffs on pregnant inmates, study how to increase lupus awareness and require hospitals to provide sexual assault victims with accurate information about emergency contraception.

The DNA collection proposal would take samples from anyone arrested on violent felony charges. The law would better enable police to match DNA from sexual assault victims with existing felons.
http://www.necn.com/01/27/11/Women-lawmakers-seek-stronger-rape-and-D/landing_nation.html?&blockID=3&apID=ca063b4de45448e8a1335aa53e0b0898

This is probably Hawkeye's and BillRM's worst nightmare--female legislators trying to strengthen rape laws and DNA collection

Laying aside the truthfulness of any of this rant, it does not contradict the statement that was quoted

Go read the sexual assault/rape statutes for the state of Washington. They certainly do cover forcible rapes.

Rape in the third degree.

(1) A person is guilty of rape in the third degree when, under circumstances not constituting rape in the first or second degrees, such person engages in sexual intercourse with another person, not married to the perpetrator:

(a) Where the victim did not consent as defined in RCW 9A.44.010(7), to sexual intercourse with the perpetrator and such lack of consent was clearly expressed by the victim's words or conduct, or

(b) Where there is threat of substantial unlawful harm to property rights of the victim.

(2) Rape in the third degree is a class C felony.

Rape in the second degree.

(1) A person is guilty of rape in the second degree when, under circumstances not constituting rape in the first degree, the person engages in sexual intercourse with another person:

(a) By forcible compulsion;

(b) When the victim is incapable of consent by reason of being physically helpless or mentally incapacitated;

(c) When the victim is a person with a developmental disability and the perpetrator is a person who is not married to the victim and who:

(i) Has supervisory authority over the victim; or

(ii) Was providing transportation, within the course of his or her employment, to the victim at the time of the offense;

(d) When the perpetrator is a health care provider, the victim is a client or patient, and the sexual intercourse occurs during a treatment session, consultation, interview, or examination. It is an affirmative defense that the defendant must prove by a preponderance of the evidence that the client or patient consented to the sexual intercourse with the knowledge that the sexual intercourse was not for the purpose of treatment;

(e) When the victim is a resident of a facility for persons with a mental disorder or chemical dependency and the perpetrator is a person who is not married to the victim and has supervisory authority over the victim; or

(f) When the victim is a frail elder or vulnerable adult and the perpetrator is a person who is not married to the victim and who:

(i) Has a significant relationship with the victim; or

(ii) Was providing transportation, within the course of his or her employment, to the victim at the time of the offense.

(2) Rape in the second degree is a class A felony

Rape in the first degree.

(1) A person is guilty of rape in the first degree when such person engages in sexual intercourse with another person by forcible compulsion where the perpetrator or an accessory:

(a) Uses or threatens to use a deadly weapon or what appears to be a deadly weapon; or

(b) Kidnaps the victim; or

(c) Inflicts serious physical injury, including but not limited to physical injury which renders the victim unconscious; or

(d) Feloniously enters into the building or vehicle where the victim is situated.

(2) Rape in the first degree is a class A felony.

Malibu rapist gets two life sentences
By Bianca Prieto, Orlando Sentinel
January 28, 2011

George Girtman might not live long enough to be a free man.

Orange Circuit Court Judge Marc L. Lubet sentenced the 57-year-old convicted rapist to serve two concurrent 25 years-to-life sentences in an April 1990 armed rape case. He will be in his late 70s before he would be eligible for release.

"Mr. Girtman," Lubet said, "I hope I never see you again."

Girtman, who was dubbed the Malibu Rapist by police, has been in prison since the mid-1990s after pleading no contest to six rape charges.

He earned the moniker after a slew of attacks during the late 1980s and early 1990s in a subdivision west of Ivey Lane called Malibu Homes.

Girtman tried to withdraw his earlier plea of no contest, saying he was not "in the right state of mind" Monday and had a hard time following what was going on in court.

Lubet denied the motion and told Girtman he did not believe him.

"You're feeding this court a line," Lubet said. "I was very careful in taking your plea because I knew eventually you would try to do this."

Girtman did not express any reaction during an emotional hour-and-a-half sentencing hearing during which the victim and two family members addressed the court.

"This beast destroyed my mother," daughter Cameron Campbell said. "It's torturous to be a woman in your own home and be violated."

A sister of the victim told Girtman she forgave him and hoped one day he'd be able to forgive himself.

The victim, Rose Mary Collins, also addressed the court and for the first time came face to face with her attacker. Collins agreed for her full name to be used in this article. The Orlando Sentinel does not, without permission, identify the victim of a sexually motivated attack.

Rose Mary Collins recounted for the judge the terrifying events of Easter weekend 1990.

It was about 3 a.m., and she was just drifting off to sleep when she was startled by a loud noise.

"Johnny?" she called out, thinking her brother had arrived for the holiday. She turned to her bedroom door.

"Something came down on my face, and a knife [came] to my throat," she said. Her attacker tied her up with a scarf and raped her. He threatened to kill her if she called police.

Collins was upset, but she maintained her composure throughout her testimony.

A granddaughter, who was also present in the courtroom, cried as her grandmother testified.

"My life has been a personal hell for 20 years," Collins said, "until Detective [Michael] Moreschi turned the key to let me out."

Moreschi, an Orlando Police Department detective, is credited with solving the cold case after having DNA evidence retested in 2009.

The DNA found through the 1990 rape kit matched Girtman's profile, police said. The Orange-Osceola State Attorney's Office charged him in June with sexual battery with a deadly weapon, robbery and burglary of a dwelling. The robbery charge was dropped because the statute of limitations had run out.

Girtman would have been released next month had he not been charged with 1990 rape.

Because Girtman is charged with a case from 1990, laws from that time apply to the sentencing. Although he was given a life sentence, he will only service 85 percent of a 25-year sentence. A parole board will grant him a hearing in 2035 if he is still alive.

His public defender said Girtman plans to file an appeal.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/crime/os-malibu-rapist-sentencing-girtman-20110128,0,3649393.story

This case is a good example of why there should be no statute of limitations on the crime of rape--this rape was solved 19 years after the crime was committed.

As I said, the word force is still in many statutes and functions as a special circumstance for which the state increases the penalty. Force however is not a requirement to criminalize the sex as a rape charge in my state

Force is a requirement to get to 1st degree, it is the only one

Force however is not a requirement to criminalize the sex as a rape charge in my state

Where the victim did not consent as defined in RCW 9A.44.010(7), to sexual intercourse with the perpetrator and such lack of consent was clearly expressed by the victim's words or conduct

Laying aside the truthfulness of any of this rant, it does not contradict the statement that was quoted. Presumably you are playing around (or maybe you are just very lost?)...why dont you go play someplace else and come back when you are ready to address this thread in a serious way?

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January 28, 2011
Serial rapist makes plea in middle of confession video
BY ROSEMARY SMITH, Examiner editor
The Navasota Examiner

Only 1 hour and 20 minutes into testimony, serial rapist Bobby Lewis Winn, 39, had Defense Attorney Frank Blazek of Huntsville stop sentencing proceedings as a video confession was played on Friday morning. The previously convicted sex offender pled guilty and offered to accept 4 life sentences that would run concurrently - not stacked - for 3 sexual assault of a child charges and a sexual assault charge.

Afterwards, the defense attorney told The Examiner that Winn told him he made the spontaneous agreement because, "He wanted to keep from hurting his family and parents (who were present during proceedings.)"

Blazek continued, "In the back of his (Winn's) mind, he could've been afraid the judge was going to stack it."

Texas Ranger Steven Jeter, who was in the middle of testifying when proceedings were abruptly stopped, and was the investigator who got Winn to confess, added, "He (Winn) saved his family from listening to a lot of the details."

During his testimony, Ranger Jeter said the manner in which Winn sexually assaulted his victims was very similar, as Winn only pulled down his pants low enough to expose himself and have intercourse with each victim, and then immediately left the victim alone inside a room.

One of the four female victims was a cousin of Winn's. The others were acquaintances, 2 of which said Winn offered to help them and/or a friend with a task, such as repairing their eyeglasses and a car radio, shortly before the attacks.

During testimony, one of the victim's mothers said her daughter is no longer an outgoing teenager, and has acted somewhat withdrawn following the incident in Bedias. The family has since moved to the Houston area.

After the suggested 4, concurrent life sentences were handed down by presiding 12th District Court Judge Donald L. Kraemer, 3 of the victims opted to make a witness impact statement. Each cried as they told Winn he had hurt them not only physically, but also emotionally and mentally. One of the victims told Winn he had also given her a sexually transmitted disease.

The adult victim, who was only 21 at the time of the assault on Aug. 28, 2009, said she fell asleep on a friend's couch when Winn entered the room, forced her to have sex with him, and then immediately left the room.

"I had nowhere to go, and my cell wasn't working, and I had to sit in that house, wait for my mom to pick me up for work that night, and wonder if you were going to come back and attack me again," said the victim.

After they spoke, a young victim's father stood up and faced Winn across the courtroom.

"I've thought about what I was going to say to you ever since I found out what you did. You not only hurt my little girl, but you also hurt other little girls - and me. Someone told me there's a special place reserved for you in hell, and if it takes me following you to hell, I want to see you hurt," said the father. "You don't deserve anything. You are getting off light, in my book, and I hope you rot in hell."

Prosecuting Assistant District Attorney Andrea Bender, who has not lost any sexual assault cases during the past 11 years, and also served as prosecutor on behalf of Madison County for this case, as the current district attorney is ill, said she is more than pleased with the outcome.

"He will be 70 before he is eligible for parole, and he will likely die in prison," said Bender. "If I'm alive, I'll be there to protest the parole."

Bender said she is most proud of a 14-year-old victim, who had not talked about the sexual assault since she made the initial outcry and previously said she did not want to testify. After speaking with the other young victims at the courthouse, she volunteered and was the first to testify. Two of the witnesses did not have to testify, since proceedings came to a halt earlier than expected.

"I am glad this case has come to an end, and the victims have, at long last, gotten the justice they deserve," said Grimes County Sheriff's Office Investigator John Wren, who was instrumental in bringing Winn to justice and called on Ranger Jeter for assistance when he caught wind that there could be other victims in Madison County.

"None of this would have happened without John Wren being truly dedicated and following up, and bringing in Jeter. And Jeter jumped on that case and worked it," said Bender. "Leslie Allen with Madison County District Attorney's Office was also instrumental and invested in this case."
http://www.navasotaexaminer.com/news/article_afa37c1a-2b31-11e0-a801-001cc4c002e0.html

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You and Hawkeye not only have your sick thoughts about women in common, you also seem to have the over abundant use of the word "bullshit" in common. Is that because you both seem to wallow in it?

feel free to point out a particular example, so that we may examine it to find out if you are correct or not. Considering that you have added almost nothing of value to this thread I will not however hold my breath while waiting.

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This is probably Hawkeye's and BillRM's worst nightmare--female legislators trying to strengthen rape laws and DNA collection

It goes to show that no matter what we do it will never be enough for the law and order crowd, they will always come back with new demands and more calls for the citizens to surrender our rights....which has been pointed out be me often. At some point the citizens must stand up and yell ENOUGH!

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Laying aside the truthfulness of any of this rant, it does not contradict the statement that was quoted. Presumably you are playing around (or maybe you are just very lost?)...why dont you go play someplace else and come back when you are ready to address this thread in a serious way?

This thread is 99 percents of her total postings on this website and the reason she is on this website.