Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@Arella Mae,

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She was part of it because she was brandishing a gun!

Yes she was defensing herself with a gun and that happen to be completely legal and if the person she had been pointing the gun at had been anyone other then her husband they would had patted her on the back as they taken the guy away.

If instead of the gun she had dare to leave bloody finger marks on him in response to her being beaten she would had also gone off to jail under the same charges.

You can only be a pure victim as you do not have a right to defense yourself and not go to jail under the law you seem to like.

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if anyone here besides Bill is interested in the truth, the studies are listed here
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

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Statistics from the American Bar Association in the area of domestic violence
stipulate that domestic violence towards men are mostly committed by male partners.

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Most perpetrators of sexual violence are men. Among acts of sexual violence committed against women since the age of 18, 100% of rapes, 92% of physical assaults, and 97% of stalking acts were perpetrated by men. Sexual violence against men is also mainly male violence: 70% of rapes, 86% of physical assaults, and 65% of stalking acts were perpetrated by men.

http://new.abanet.org/domesticviolence/Pages/Statistics.aspx

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@CalamityJane,

I see nothing in Wiki that indicates that this author in held in ill repute, so if you know something now is the time to fess up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Satel

that her work is carried on a private web site means nothing. If you think that the web site that I linked her work on altered her work then prove it.

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@hawkeye10,

All you come up with is private websites who have absolutely no merit to
any true statistics at all. Just stop your utter rubbish.

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@CalamityJane,

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Statistics from the American Bar Association in the area of domestic violence

i am 99% sure that these numbers are based off of reports to law enforcement, as has already been discussed men don't report that women are abusing them.

If you can go the the listings of studies that I gave and find evidence for your case then you could be taken seriously. I did a fast skim of the study results and concluded that they generally support my position, that women are about as agressive in relationship as men are.

And you already know that rape law is biased against men, it is not news that more men than women get hung by these laws.

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@CalamityJane,

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Martin S. Fiebert
Department of Psychology
California State University, Long Beach

Last updated: July 2010

SUMMARY: This bibliography examines 275 scholarly investigations: 214 empirical studies and 61 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 365,000.

Bibliographic references sorted by category

Ackard, D. M., & Neumark-Sztainer, D. (2002). Date violence and date rape among adolescents: associations with disordered eating behaviors and psychological health. Child Abuse & Neglect, 26, 455-473. (A Minnesota statewide school sample of 81,247 students <40,301 boys, 40,946 girls> in the 9th and 12th grade responded to the question of whether they ever experienced date related violence. Over 90% of students reported never experiencing dating violence. In terms of grades, 3.3% of 9th grade girls and 2.8% of 9th grade boys reported experiencing violence, while 5.5% of 12th grade girls and 2.3% of 12th grade boys reported experiencing violence. In terms of ethnicity, American Indian boys <7.1%> and African American boys <7.2%> reported experiencing higher rates of dating violence than American Indian girls <6.8%> and African American girls <3.6%>).

Aizenman, M., & Kelley, G. (1988). The incidence of violence and acquaintance rape in dating relationships among college men and women. Journal of College Student Development, 29, 305-311. (A sample of actively dating college students <204 women and 140 men> responded to a survey examining courtship violence. Authors report that there were no significant differences between the sexes in self reported perpetration of physical abuse.)

Allen-Collinson, J. (2009). A marked man: Female perpetrated intimate partner abuse. International Journal of Men's Health, 8, (1), 22-40. (A case study of an abused heterosexual man. Article examines themes obtained from interviews and personal diary material.)

Amendt, G. (2008). I didn’t divorce my kids!: How fathers deal with family break-ups. Campus Verlag Publishers. (In Chapter 5 author presents data from an internet survey of 3600 divorced German fathers. Results reveal that 1/3 of men reported episodes of physical violence during the divorce process and 2/3 of these were initiated by ex-partners.)

Anderson, K. L. (2002). Perpetrator or victim? Relationships between intimate partner violence and well-being. Journal of Marriage and Family, 64, 851-863. (Data consisted of 7,395 married and cohabiting heterosexual couples drawn from wave 1 of the National Survey of Families and Households <NSFH-1>. In terms of measures: subjects were asked "how many arguments during the past year resulted in 'you hitting, shoving or throwing things at a partner.' They were also asked how many arguments ended with their partner, 'hitting, shoving or throwing things at you.'" Author reports that, "victimization rates are slightly higher among men than women <9% vs 7%> and in cases that involve perpetration by only one partner, more women than men were identified as perpetrators <2% vs 1%>.")

Archer, J. (2000). Sex differences in aggression between heterosexual partners: A meta-analytic review. Psychological Bulletin, 126, 651-680. (Meta-analyses of sex differences in physical aggression indicate that women were more likely than men to “use one or more acts of physical aggression and to use such acts more frequently.” In terms of injuries, women were somewhat more likely to be injured, and analyses reveal that 62% of those injured were women.)

Archer, J. (2002). Sex differences in physically aggressive acts between heterosexual partners: A meta-analytic review. Aggression and Violent Behavior, 7, 213-351. (Analyzing responses to the Conflict Tactic Scale and using a data set somewhat different from the previous 2000 publication, the author reports that women are more likely than men to throw something at their partners, as well as slap, kick, bite, punch and hit with an object. Men were more likely than women to strangle, choke, or beat up their partners.)

Archer, J. (2006). Cross cultural differences in physical aggression between partners: A social-role analysis. Personality & Social Psychology Review, 10, 133-153. (A review article which suggests that "women's empowerment is associated with lower victimization rates from their partners." Greater individualism and empowerment by women, however, are also associated with higher perpetration rates.)

Archer, J., & Ray, N. (1989). Dating violence in the United Kingdom: a preliminary study. Aggressive Behavior, 15, 337-343. (Twenty three dating couples completed the Conflict Tactics scale. Results indicate that women were significantly more likely than their male partners to express physical violence. Authors also report that, "measures of partner agreement were high" and that the correlation between past and present violence was low.)

Arias, I., Samios, M., & O'Leary, K. D. (1987). Prevalence and correlates of physical aggression during courtship. Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 2, 82-90. (Used Conflict Tactics Scale with a sample of 270 undergraduates <95 men, 175 women> and found 30% of men and 49% of women reported using some form of aggression in their dating histories with a greater percentage of women engaging in severe physical aggression.)

Arias, I., & Johnson, P. (1989). Evaluations of physical aggression among intimate dyads. Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 4, 298-307. (Used Conflict Tactics Scale-CTS- with a sample of 103 male and 99 female undergraduates. Both men and women had similar experience with dating violence, 19% of women and 18% of men admitted being physically aggressive. A significantly greater percentage of women thought self-defense was a legitimate reason for men to be aggressive, while a greater percentage of men thought slapping was a legitimate response for a man or woman if their partner was sexually unfaithful.)

Arriaga, X. B., & Foshee, V. A. (2004). Adolescent dating violence. Do adolescents follow in their friends' or their parents' footsteps? Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 19, 162-184. (A modified version of Conflict Tactics Scale was administered on two occasions, 6 months apart, to 526 adolescents, <280 girls, 246 boys> whose median age was 13. Results reveal that 28% of girls reported perpetrating violence with their partners <17% moderate, 11% severe> on occasion one, while 42% of girls reported perpetrating violence <25% moderate, 17% severe> on occasion two. For boys, 11% reported perpetrating violence <6% moderate, 5% severe> on occasion one, while 21% reported perpetrating violence <6% moderate, 15% severe> on occasion two. In terms of victimization, 33% of girls, and 38% of boys reported being victims of partner aggression on occasion one and 47% of girls and 49% of boys reported victimization on occasion two.

http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

that is just the A's

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@CalamityJane,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence

In the most serious cases of violence men are usually responsible. Women are much more likely to be murdered by an intimate partner, regardless of who started the fight. Among the persons killed by an intimate partner, about three quarters are female, and about a quarter are male: in 1999, in the US, 1,218 women and 424 men were killed by an intimate partner, regardless of which partner started the violence and of the gender of the partner.[25] In the US, in 2005, 1181 females and 329 males were killed by their intimate partners.[26] [27]

Dr. Martin Fiebert, from the Department of Psychology of California State University, has compiled an annotated bibliography of research relating to spousal abuse by women on men. This bibliography examines 155 scholarly investigations: 126 empirical studies and 29 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 116,000. It has also been found that many kinds of behavior, such as pushing and slapping, are experienced by both genders, but are mainly called "violence" by female victims. Early studies that merely asked "have you been a victim of domestic violence" did find far lower levels of male victims; but when they asked about specific behaviors ("have you been slapped, punched,...), the numbers evened out. Justice Department studies show that men are 32% less likely than women to report any form of violent victimization.[28]

Straus and Gelles found in couples reporting spousal violence, 27% of the time the man struck the first blow; the woman in 24%. The rest of the time, the violence was mutual, with both partners brawling. The results were the same even when the most severe episodes of violence were analyzed. In order to counteract claims that the reporting data was skewed, female-only surveys were conducted, asking females to self-report, and the data was the same.[citation needed]

The simple tally of violent acts is typically found to be similar in those studies that examine both directions, but some studies show that men's violence may be more serious. Men's violence may do more damage than women's;[29] women are much more likely to be injured and/or hospitalized, wives are much more likely to be killed by their husbands than the reverse (59%-41% Dept of Justice study), and women in general are more likely to be killed by their spouse than by all other types of assailants combined.[30]

Coramae Richey Mann, a researcher at the Department of Criminal Justice, Indiana University/Bloomington, found that only 59% of women jailed for spousal murder claimed self-defense and that 30% had previously been arrested for violent crimes.[citation needed]

Women charged with killing their husbands were acquitted in 12.9% of the cases, while husbands charged with killing their wives were acquitted only 1.4% of the time. In addition, women convicted of killing their husbands receive an average sentence of only six years, while male spousal killers got 17 years, according to an LA Times article citing Department of Justice data.[citation needed]

These findings, however, may have other problems. Women are far more likely to use weapons in their domestic violence, whether throwing a plate or firing a gun. Women are also much more likely than men to enlist help if they wish to kill their spouse; but such multiple-offender homicides are not counted toward domestic-violence statistics. In addition Farrell[31] points out that there are several "female-only" defenses to murder charges, such as the posthumous allegation of abuse; in short, our data on rates of domestic homicide are incomplete.

In their study of severely violent couples, Neil Jacobson and John Gottman conclude that the frequency of violent acts is not as crucial as the impact of the violence and its function, when trying to understand spousal abuse; specifically, they state that the purpose of battering of whatever direction is to control and intimidate, rather than just to injure.[32]

There is a whole source of new evidence to suggest that some of the research into family abuse has been politicized.[citation needed] Sam and Bunny Sewell, Family Resources & Research state that "However, misleading statistics are a deliberate fund raising tactic for women's shelters. The shelter movement almost never mentions scientific studies".[citation needed]

[edit] Classification
All forms of domestic abuse have one purpose: to gain and maintain total control over the victim. Abusers use many tactics to exert power over their spouse or partner: dominance, humiliation, isolation, threats, intimidation, denial and blame.[33]

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@CalamityJane,

The only place that I have found that agrees with what Hawkeye is spouting about men and women being equal in aggression is on a domestic abuse apologetics site. Rather one sided reporting by Hawkeye.

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What you don't understand is that the violence on men by an intimate partner is primarily a male intimate partner.

The percentage of women violating men is very very slim. It does exist, but it
is rare.

Again: violence on men is predominately performed by male domestic partners!
Capice?

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

if anyone here besides Bill is interested in the truth, the studies are listed here
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

You wouldn't recognize the truth if it was tattooed on your forehead. The truth is that women are 5 times more likely to be victimized by their intimate partner. The truth is that while plenty of female on male violence goes unreported; a shitload more male on female violence goes unreported. The truth is you’re a demented misogynistic coward hiding behind a fake name and a phony avatar. The sad truth is available at the Department of Justice for anyone interested in the truth.

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/978/dojstats.jpg

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@CalamityJane,

Are you talking about rape, or are you talking about assault?

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http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:3BaMRPmjgscJ:www.uvm.edu/~honcoll/S09_Thesis/Strout_Anna_Thesis.pdf+problems+with+the+new+domestic+violence+laws+mandatory+dual+arrests&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESijG7v_GQbgC0w-qupX-3mNbxSLAfwVzYi8hNl0RYbW03QpvD4VUsBn1_zT5zbvOkqCfxOJbf-L1K9LZ_gAMm2I4s3LbTka1qxutY03AMLY68k-0RYgm1NpAnJFzFne-zVippVc&sig=AHIEtbRBof2v8m2jT0KGWA9AAzTXhaf8Aw

Reluctance to seek police help
There are a number of unintended consequences that have become a concern since
the implementation of mandatory arrest laws. While it is unclear how these laws may
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impact victims’ behavior and their willingness to seek police help, the issue may be further
aggravated by the problem of dual arrests (Miller 2005). Dual arrest is when “both parties
allege that the other was the aggressor, leading the police to arrest both parties, including
the innocent victim who may have been acting in self-defense” (Miller 2005:107). There is
data that shows that more women have been arrested since the implementation of
mandatory arrest policies (Belknap & Potter 2005). For instance, a 1998 study of arrests in
Los Angeles showed that “with the use of mandatory arrest policies, three times as many
women were arrested, compared to less than twice as many men” (Dayton 2003:4). This is
problematic because dual arrest can have significant consequences for an innocent victim
such as, “the loss of victim status and rights such as access to transportation to a safe
location, temporary housing in a shelter, issuance of a restraining order, and participation in
victim assistance and empowerment programs, loss of employment, loss of child custody,
and loss of free legal assistance” (Miller 2005:108). Therefore, these unintended
consequences may also deter victims from seeking police help or intervention in fear of any
of these outcomes.
Disproportionate Outcomes
In light of the problems of dual arrest, there has been some effort to address the
concern that innocent victims are mistakenly being arrested. A number of states have
“mandated that officers receive training to develop their abilities in handling domestic
complaints effectively” (Rizer III 2005:6). Some states have also adopted primary
aggressor standards to prevent dual arrests. This gives the officer the power to distinguish
the primary aggressor and only arrest that individual (Miller 2005). However, there is
concern that this may favor certain batterers or still produce disproportionate outcomes
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(Miller 2005). For instance there is concern that these policies are discriminatory, because
there is a bias against males and police will usually arrest the male even if there isn’t
evidence to support the arrest (Rizer III 2005). However, there are also arguments that this
still results in more female arrests because officers must make a judgment based on who
has “the better story”, and that “this is especially the case when the batterer appears calm in
contrast to the victim who seems to be incoherent and near hysteria” (Miller 2005:108).
More Violence
Another unintended consequence of mandatory arrest policies is that arresting
batterers could provoke them to become more violent and take it out on their partner
(Iyengar 2007). For instance, a recent study has shown that although rates of murders by
intimate partners have decreased over the past 20 years, when comparing states with
mandatory arrest laws they have about a 50% higher homicide rate than states without such
laws (Iyengar 2007:9). Iyengar (2007) assumes that this increase in homicides is a result of
mandatory arrest policies deterring victims from calling the police. This is based on the
idea that police intervention may keep the level of violence from escalating, but if victims
are reluctant to call because they don’t want their batterers to be arrested, this intervention
or de-escalation of violence is less likely. There has also been literature that suggests that
arrest doesn’t deter violence, but rather it may in some cases cause a backlash towards
victims when the batterer is released (Dayton 2003). In order to get a more comprehensive
picture beyond the literature and debate, previous research on the impact of mandatory
arrest policies on domestic violence will be discussed.
III. REVIEW OF PRIOR RESEARCH
Introduction

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@CalamityJane,

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The percentage of women violating men is very very slim. It does exist, but it
is rare.

Bullshit by a ton of studies............

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

Are you talking about rape, or are you talking about assault?

According to the American Bar Association in their domestic violence statistic:
sexual violence against men is also mainly male violence: 70% of rapes, 86% of physical assaults, and 65% of stalking acts were perpetrated by men.

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@BillRM,

It seems that your own research only confirms that you are wrong in what you have said.

Of course more women will be arrested if they arrest both parties. duh.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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The percentage of women violating men is very very slim. It does exist, but it
is rare.

Bullshit by a ton of studies............

Produce them. The only ton that you can produce is bullshit.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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The percentage of women violating men is very very slim. It does exist, but it
is rare.

Bullshit by a ton of studies............

Billieboy, I think you don't even understand what your quoting. From your
link...

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Dual arrest is when “both parties allege that the other was the aggressor, leading the police to arrest both parties, including the innocent victim who may have been acting in self-defense” (Miller 2005:107). There is data that shows that more women have been arrested since the implementation of mandatory arrest policies (Belknap & Potter 2005). For instance, a 1998 study of arrests in
Los Angeles showed that “with the use of mandatory arrest policies, three times as many women were arrested, compared to less than twice as many men” (Dayton 2003:4). This is problematic because dual arrest can have significant consequences for an innocent victim

Do you get what the article is saying here? Probably not!
It says that husband and wife are both arrested (dual arrest) if the husband
alleges that his wife was the aggressor. So the innocent victim - mostly the wife - is arrested also, even though she most likely is innocent. Based on the
dual arrests, the number of arrests for women has increased three times -
which is problematic as these consequences are significant for the innocent
victim - predominately women.

You have to understand the article you post in order to get some credibility,
BillRM, whereas your credibility is measured in micrograms anyway.

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@OCCOM BILL,

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The sad truth is available at the Department of Justice for anyone interested in the truth.

I know that you are an idiot Bill, but this is slow even for you.....for the third time, the DOJ stats are all about reported crimes. We have already talked about how low the female reporting rate is, and I assure you the the male rate is lower. The DOJ stats are useless for anyone trying to get a handle on what actually goes on insides of homes.

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Rates
Rates are the number of reported offenses per 100,000 population.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/dataonline/Search/Crime/definitions.cfm

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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The sad truth is available at the Department of Justice for anyone interested in the truth.

I know that you are an idiot Bill, but this is slow even for you.....for the third time, the DOJ stats are all about reported crimes. We have already talked about how low the female reporting rate is, and I assure you the the male rate is lower. The DOJ stats are useless for anyone trying to get a handle on what actually goes on insides of homes.

Quote:
Rates
Rates are the number of reported offenses per 100,000 population.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/dataonline/Search/Crime/definitions.cfm

Right. Your menweb stats are more dependable than the DOJ, and believing otherwise makes me an idiot. You are a misogynistic piece of ****, plain and simple. I merely posted to insure no passersby would interpret your demented rambling as truth.

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