Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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The saddest thing about the situation was she did all the right things. Protection Order, called the police, got a lawyer, etc.

But she did not get the best protection if all else fail, a model 1911a colt 45.

I find that quite a strange remark coming from you since you are advocating changes in the definition of rape?

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

That fine but it the woman have a reasonable fear she is going to end up in jail also she is going to be slower to call the police in the first place.

Is a night in jail and an arrest record better or worst then a beating?

If the man is beating HER she isn't going to end up in jail. HE IS.

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@Arella Mae,

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If the man is beating HER she isn't going to end up in jail. HE IS.

a good deal of the time the aggression is mutual, actually I have seen studies that show that the aggression rates are pretty similar, that the rates appear to be much more male against female only because men are much less likely to complain about abuse then women are.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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If the man is beating HER she isn't going to end up in jail. HE IS.
a good deal of the time the aggression is mutual, actually I have seen studies that show that the aggression rates are pretty similar, that the rates appear to be much more male against female only because men are much less likely to complain about abuse then women are.

Your compassion is astounding.

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@Arella Mae,

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If the man is beating HER she isn't going to end up in jail. HE IS.

If she dare to defense herself to any degree from a beating and place any mark on him as a result they both are going to jail.

So the only way she not going to jail is if she sit there and allow him to beat on her until the cops show up.

And in real life a large percent of women are going to but up some defense to a beating and rightly so.

So in the end a law design to protect women end up taking part of their rights of self defense away from them.

Life is never simple and sometimes laws are pass that sound good but in the end are not as good as they sound .

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@BillRM,

I am talking to a brick wall.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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If the man is beating HER she isn't going to end up in jail. HE IS.
a good deal of the time the aggression is mutual, actually I have seen studies that show that the aggression rates are pretty similar, that the rates appear to be much more male against female only because men are much less likely to complain about abuse then women are.

Oh, let us see those studies, hawkeye. Tell us where you get your information
from, will you.

Now for a reality check: every town has a women shelter and every town
has not enough room for all the battered women out there. Most women are
abused and murdered by either their estranged husbands or current spouses.
Those few men who are abused by their wives are in no - let me repeat that:
no comparison to what women have to endure from the hands of their "beloved" husbands.

Just because you paint your own world pinkish, hawkeye, doesn't mean it
is true. In fact, whatever you babble along here is as fictional as any cheap
50 cent novel.

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@Arella Mae,

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I am talking to a brick wall.

OH?

In the case of my ex-girlfriend he was beating her up to the point she look like a world class heavy weight boxer had gone after her a week after the event when I first saw her.

She however dare to have reached for a gun in a drawer and pointed at him and when the police show up they was looking at each other her with a gun and him with a knife.

Now given there was not a mark on him and she was both in sad sad shape and the one who call 911 anyone with an IQ of an ant would had known who to take to jail but as she had that gun the new law did not allow the police to do anything but to take both off to jail.

In fact, she told me that the arresting cop stated that he was sorry that he needed to arrest her also.

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@Arella Mae,

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Your compassion is astounding

my describing a dynamic that happens in no way indicates my level of sympathy, and who my sympathy is directed towards. I understand however that many people are so accustom to the sympathy being automatically directed towards the woman that someone who does not do this looks uncompassionate. The problem however is with your conditioning and expectations, not my behaviour.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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I am talking to a brick wall.

OH?

In the case of my ex-girlfriend he was beating her up to the point she look like a world class heavy weight boxer had gone after her a week after the event when I first saw her.

She however dare to have reached for a gun in a drawer and pointed at him and when the police show up they was looking at each other her with a gun and him with a knife.

Now given there was not a mark on him and she was both in sad sad shape and the one who call 911 anyone with an IQ of an ant would had known who to take to jail but as she had that gun the new law did not allow the police to do anything but to take both off to jail.

In fact, she told me that the arresting cop stated that he was sorry that he needed to arrest her also.

She got arrested for brandishing a gun. If cops show up and someone has a gun you can count on them believing that person might use it. It is a very rational response.

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@CalamityJane,

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Oh, let us see those studies, hawkeye. Tell us where you get your information from, will you

I had seen those studies they do in fact exist however for the most part men are far better at violence then women are and they are larger/stronger beside.

In any physical conflict no matter who started it 99 percents of the time the woman is going to get the shorter end of the stick.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

In any physical conflict no matter who started it 99 percents of the time the woman is going to get the shorter end of the stick.

Exactly!

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@CalamityJane,

Hawkeye will not produce anything, because he doesn't have anything.

Statistics still show, for instance, that 80% of homicides are caused my men.

Female aggression

Until recently, relatively little attention was focussed on female aggression. Campbell (1999) argues that

".. lower rates of aggression by women reflect not just the absence of masculine risk-taking but are part of a positive female adaptation driven by the critical importance of the mother's survival for her own reproductive success."

Campbell reviews evidence that:
women show greater fear of physical harm compared to men.
For example:
women show more fear of open spaces, dogs, snakes, insects, and rodents than men
women are less likely to engage in hazardous sports, dangerous driving, military combat, and drug abuse, than men
women are more afraid of being victims of crime involving aggression, and are more likely to visit a doctor to seek advice on preventative care, than men
women commit fewer violent crimes than men (see Campbell et al, 2001)
women show less concern for status compared to men
greater adoption of dispute resolution strategies that involve a low risk of physical harm by women compared to men
female 'maternal aggression' to defend their offspring; paternal aggression is rarer
female menopause - an infertile period after the birth of the last child will ensure its survival

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@CalamityJane,

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Oh, let us see those studies, hawkeye. Tell us where you get your information
from, will you.

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the authors estimate that 1.8 million females are the victims of severe domestic violence each year (with injuries suffered by one in ten), but so were about 2.1 million men

http://www.menweb.org/battered/satel.htm

You will hate this I am sure

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The dogma that women never provoke, incite, or aggravate domestic conflict, further, has led to some startling departures in domestic law. Hundreds of jurisdictions have adopted what are called "must-arrest" policies: that is, when local police are called to a scene of reported domestic abuse, they must arrest one partner (almost always the man) even if, by the time the authorities arrive, the incident has cooled off and there is no sign of violence, and even if (as is often the case) the woman doesn't want the man arrested. Many of these same jurisdictions have also enacted "no-drop" policies--meaning that if a woman does press charges, she will not be permitted to change her mind and drop them later. Under VAWA, $33 million will be spent this year on the "Grants to Encourage Arrest" program, which uses federal money to induce localities to adopt must-arrest policies. Next year, the budget of the "Grants to Encourage Arrest" program will jump to $59 million.

Of course, it's hard to feel sorry for men charged with abuse. And there is a satisfying, frontier-justice aspect to the feminist treatment programs: what better punishment for a loutish man than to make him endure hours of feminist lecturing? The trouble is, domestic violence--as these same feminists constantly remind us--is no joke. And there are virtually no convincing data that this feminist approach to male violence is effective.

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@hawkeye10,

Bill, this one is for you

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Indeed, the paternalistic intrusiveness that characterizes so much of feminist domestic violence policy frequently has the unintended consequence of harming the very women it was meant to protect

though I have been saying the same thing, in the sense the women are not stupid, they figure this stuff out for themselves, and can see for themselves that they are better off not reporting. Thus the current effort to get snitches to report since victims mostly will not.

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@Arella Mae,

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She got arrested for brandishing a gun. If cops show up and someone has a gun you can count on them believing that person might use it. It is a very rational response.

Sorry she was not arrested on a weapon charge she was arrested under the domestic violence law where anyone who is taking part in the conflict other then a pure victim is to be arrested.

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@Arella Mae,

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I find that quite a strange remark coming from you since you are advocating changes in the definition of rape?

Where does my view on the rape laws have anything to do with my views on the right of self defense in a life and death situation?

Second comment I could never get away with being a wife beater in regard to my current wife as we are surrounded with deadly weapons and we both know how to used all of them.

One of us would be dead in short order if I did attacked my wife with the intend of doing serous harm to her.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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She got arrested for brandishing a gun. If cops show up and someone has a gun you can count on them believing that person might use it. It is a very rational response.

Sorry she was not arrested on a weapon charge she was arrested under the domestic violence law where anyone who is taking part in the conflict other then a pure victim is to be arrested.

She was part of it because she was brandishing a gun!

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@hawkeye10,

That's a private website where there are no actual statistics at all, and whatever they come up with, are numbers from 1998. Besides, your article never specified
if those battered men were violated by their domestic male partners. Let's not forget that there is a fair amount of male/male relationships out there who can
get violent as well.

Regardless, that's not a legitimate statistic of a reputable source.

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@CalamityJane,

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There are now dozens of studies which show that women are as violent towards their partners, if not more so, than men

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Study after study shows women are not merely violent in self-defence but strike the first blow in about half of all disputes

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Moreover, there is now considerable evidence that women initiate severe violence more frequently than men.

http://www.menweb.org/battered/batmphil.htm

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