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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jan, 2011 12:01 am
@firefly,
I am sure with people dying of diseases cause by bad water and lack of basic shelters and about to have another civil war that the main concern should be sexual assaults.

Resources should be apply at once for victims services and anti-rape posters and taken away from trying to keep the population alive.

Hell who need a source of water that will not kill you or enough food to help keep the young and the very or alive or working medical system or a sanitation system or..............

Yes funds should be taken away from those programs to run a anti rape program for those women who will not end up dying from diseases or exposure or whatever.



BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jan, 2011 12:44 am
@firefly,
Oh Firefly my comment does not mean that order should not be maintain in the camps and rape should not be allow but we are talking about a martial law situation as the Haitian court system and legal system is in as bad a shape as the rest of Haiti.

You do live in a dream world as taking funds away from the very basic needs of the population to run a western PC correct sexual assault program would mean women and their children dying.

Haiti can afford the price for some rope to hang a few known rapists as an example but it can not afford rape kits and victims counseling.



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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jan, 2011 01:02 am
@BillRM,
Using 2000-2004 data from Virgina I get over $3000 per person served and this includes kids so the number per female assaulted is going to be higher as the kids get to be counted if they are around even if nothing happens to them. This does not count rape kits either, which are $500-$750 to take and another $700-$1800 to test, or any other charges to the state medical programs.

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:4-a7sMYzeCIJ:www.vadv.org/secProjects/State%2520of%2520Sexual%2520Violence%2520Services%2520in%2520Virginia.ppt+rape+crisis+center+budget&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgx_Cfq69wMdslBilK_wJOGzsPRRsYYtNgUIvKS8ImUk27cqpsMqWYYSuY-w1hzSGHYOoPBDp362ukrLQPYhy-mher7HFbzpxU_JFfucNeDTQaH4v-lPe6T-xTVq0R4gBGmnRCg&sig=AHIEtbRGNGlebou8E2ZFSQFgc-tqeDSinQ

In 2006 Minnisota spent $90.5 million. In 2005
Quote:
While there were 7,200 reports to police of “unwanted sexual intercourse,”
2,617 met the law enforcement definition of rape. This means that two-thirds of
rapes routinely are not included in state and national rape statistics.


which means they are spending $12,569 per reported rape or fuzzy rape and $34,581 per reported actual legally defined rape.
http://www.pire.org/documents/mn_brochure.pdf

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Medicare and Medicaid $82,113,000
Victim Services 3,353,000
Out-of-Home Placement 4,696,000
Financial Assistance 378,000
Total $90,540,000


you will notice that most of the cost is under the radar because it is billed to medicare/medicaid so it never gets funded from one of the programs specially set up by the feminists.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jan, 2011 01:43 am
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye millions on top of millions for PC correct anti-rape programs in one thing when you are talking about the US but when these assholes wish to seize funds that are barely keeping people alive at best to run such programs in Haiti I draw the damn line.

Firefly posting stated that vast resources are going to Haiti that they wish a share of and yet millions are living in tents, with bad water and no sanitations and dying of diseases that no one should need to die of nowadays.

Hell how do you have people dying of disease cause dehydration when kits to replaced the fluids and more important the minerals run thirty dollars or so?


hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jan, 2011 01:59 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Hawkeye millions on top of millions for PC correct anti-rape programs in one thing when you are talking about the US but when these assholes wish to seize funds that are barely keeping people alive at best to run such programs in Haiti I draw the damn line.

we are already seeing the rape industry shrink as the money runs out. Most of the sexual assault centers and shelters were until VAWA staffed by volunteers, and we are rapidly going back to that. As for all of this medicaid/medicare money ......when there is not enough to go around and the choice is between helping some kid with his medical condition and throwing $5 or $10k at services for some stupid young woman who got date raped after she got herself drunk and started messing around with men who ended up using her for sex, I think we know which way the money goes.
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jan, 2011 11:18 am
From across the pond...where the jailing of a woman for withdrawing a rape complaint resulted in an uproar. It is not just in Muslim communities that extreme emotional pressure may be placed on a woman to make her withdraw a rape complaint, particularly against a spouse or relative, but, in those communities, the problem may certainly be more acute.

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Judge raises concerns over 'enormous emotional pressure' put on Muslim women after rape case collapses
By Liz Hull
21st January 2011

A judge today raised concerns over the 'enormous emotional pressure' exerted on women in Muslim communities after a rape case collapsed at the eleventh hour when the wife of an Asian man refused to give evidence against him.

The 35-year-old woman had accused her 34-year-old husband - a convicted sex offender - of raping her twice and was due to testify against him at a trial earlier this week.

But prosecutors were forced to offer no evidence and the case collapsed when the women suddenly decided to retract the allegations.

Judge Simon Newell said he was concerned ‘sections of the community’ were ‘exerting influences’ and ‘inhibiting the police’ from carrying out their duties. He implied justice was being interfered with by those close to the woman who wanted her to drop the charges.

The husband, who cannot be named for legal reasons, has two previous convictions - one for assault causing actual bodily harm against his wife and another for a sexual offence against another woman.

He has already been ordered to sign the sex offenders register until September 2014.

Despite expressing concern that the woman had been pressurised into withdrawing the rape claims, Judge Newell allowed the husband to walk free from court.

However, he warned him that the matter would ‘lie on his file’ and could be brought before the courts again should new evidence come to light.

'It seems to me there are persons who have an interest in this case, who are minded to express opinions and exert influences which are possibly inhibiting the police, the prosecuting authorities and the courts in carrying out their proper functions,' the judge said.

'This will not be tolerated. It is for the courts to carry out judicial functions and it’s not for individuals or sections of the community to attempt to resolve these matters outside the court.'

Burnley Crown Court was told that the husband, of Burnley, Lancs, denied both rape charges against him.

Sara Dodd, prosecuting, said the alleged victim was at court, but did not wish to give evidence against her husband. She said the complainant had been put under 'enormous emotional pressure from her community' over the case.

Miss Dodd said the Crown Prosecution Service would not be proceeding with the case against the husband as it would 'do more harm than good' to the alleged victim.

Exact details of the allegations were not outlined in court.

Judge Newell said he hoped to set up a meeting with representatives of the Muslim community and would be discussing the collapse of the case with the most senior judge in the town.

The former Justice Secretary and Blackburn MP Jack Straw admitted there was a 'significant problem' within the Asian community with regards to rape and justice.

'In these cases, because they involve families, it is the families and community that wants to solve them,' he said. 'That itself is a significant problem.

'The law has been strengthened around these issues but there is much more that needs to be done between the courts, police and social services.'

Salim Mulla, chairman of the Lancashire Council of Mosques, agreed.

'The Asian community sometimes has a different way of working, trying to resolve the problems itself rather than leaving it to the police,' he said. 'But that doesn’t make it the right thing to do.

'The abuse of any child or woman is not permitted by Islam. We will continue to speak about this issue and try to raise it in the community to stop it happening.'

Councillor Mohammed Iqbal, Labour leader on Pendle Council, added: 'There is a small section who may think their cultural identity is higher than the law of the land, but it isn’t.'

It is understood that no action will be taken against the woman for retracting the allegations.

Last month Keir Starmer, the chief prosecutor in England and Wales, admitted there had been failings in the treatment of women who withdraw rape claims.

His comments came after a 28-year-old woman, from Welshpool, North Wales, was jailed for retracting allegations of rape against her husband.

The young mother, who was bullied into withdrawing the charges by her controlling and manipulative husband, was sentenced to eight months imprisonment for perverting the course of justice by a crown court judge after the case against her husband collapsed.

But she was freed after spending 18 days in jail by the country’s most senior judge in November, who said a community punishment would have been more ‘compassionate’.

Mr Starmer publicly apologised to the woman and said that any moves to prosecute women who retract a rape allegation would now need his personal approval.

'If the victim has decided to withdraw a rape allegation, we must explore the issues behind that, particularly if the victim is under pressure or frightened,' he added.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348931/Judges-concern-woman-raped-husband-drops-case-community-pressure.html#
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jan, 2011 11:31 am
@firefly,
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From across the pond...where the jailing of a woman for withdrawing a rape complaint resulted in an uproar. It is not just in Muslim communities that extreme emotional pressure may be placed on a woman to make her withdraw a rape complaint, particularly against a spouse or relative, but, in those communities, the problem may certainly be more acute.

However, I am sure that you have not a whit of problem with the rape "counselors" laying a guilt trip on such women by telling them that if they dont stop their rapist then the rapist will go on to do to other women what he did to her....the implication being that it is her fault if other women get hurt by him...

You are not complaining about pressure being placed upon women, you are complaining about pressure oppose your pressure being applied.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jan, 2011 11:50 am
@hawkeye10,
The rape feminists have a record of tactical brilliance, but I wonder about this current attempt to sell the belief that women have no responsibilities when it comes to sexual assault because it is all men's fault and to ask anything of women is oppressive towards women. First off, most women don't actually want to be treated as children, and second of all if this belief was ever to take hold it would seriously hamper getting women to come forward to report and then convincing them to press charges. It would also get in the way of another current sales attempt, that being that friends and family have a responsibility to disregard the victims wishes and report for them.

This campaign does not seem to have been very well thought out, which is unusual...the fix is supposed to be getting the state to lay charges even if the victim does not cooperate and even if she is opposed, but the state will slit its own throat if it follows the rape feminists here, as the state already has a rebellion on its hands, and this disregard of the citizens would only make the calls for taking at hatchet to the state stronger.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jan, 2011 01:17 pm
@hawkeye10,
POOR PARANOID HAWKEYE--STILL PLAGUED BY HIS DELUSIONAL OBSESSION WITH FEMINISTS Laughing
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk34/feministing/bighand071206_228x327.jpg
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jan, 2011 01:56 pm
@firefly,
I love the idea that if a woman had a case of conscious and withdraw a false complain we are going to punish her not for the bringing of a false charge in the first place but for daring to withdraw it!!!!!!!!!

After all a complain could not be false as women only lied about not being rape not of being rape.

Let repeat that one more time the judge and Firefly is on the opinion that the only time a woman lied about rape/sexual assault is when she state that she had not been rape not that she had been rape.

One more time women do not lied about being rape only of not being rape ...............................
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jan, 2011 02:23 pm
@firefly,
Women are never never pressure or feel pressure to bring false charges of rape by family or a boyfriend or a husband or friends or rape councilors only to withdraw a true complain of rape.

As the eight-year-old girl in English stated on the stand she did not desire to get into trouble with her mother over her part in playing doctor with two ten years old boys.

Moreover, the two ten years old boys even after that were still convicted of attempted rape if not of rape!!!!!
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jan, 2011 03:27 pm
@firefly,
Firefly the picture of you look lovely but I do not see in my mind eyes a giant woman pounding a tiny guy but of women and men cheerfully counting a pile of federal money over this con.

Oh as I said before I love the idea with people dying in Haiti over lack of shelter, safe water and thirty dollars re-hydration kits the Feminists are crying that they are not getting a few millions of the aid stream for anti-rape programs.

After all, who care about dying people we need rape kits not re-hydration kits and rape councilors instead of nurses and doctors.
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jan, 2011 10:22 pm
The outrage of the jury was reflected in the fact they recommended twice the maximum suggested sentence for this man.
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Wednesday, January 19, 2011
Jury suggests 85-year sentence in elderly rape
By The Associated Press

Olathe — A jury recommended that a Missouri man serve 85 years in prison for raping a 92-year-old suburban Kansas City woman.

The Johnson County District Court jury didn't believe 21-year-old Simon Angilda's testimony that he was too drunk and high to intend to commit the crimes. The 85-year sentence recommended by the jury was about double the maximum suggested sentence. No sentencing date was set.

On Friday, the same jury convicted Angilda, of Grandview, Mo., of 14 counts arising from a June 29 crime spree that included the sexual assault at the Leawood home of the victim.

The Kansas City Star reports that Angilda was also convicted of battering a police officer who captured him and violating a protection order by trying to call the victim from jail weeks after the attack.
http://www.ktka.com/news/2011/jan/19/jury-suggests-85-year-sentence-elderly-rape/

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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jan, 2011 10:34 pm
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ECU-led research reveals alarming new insight into sexual assault victims
By Xien Jana Vencio
January 24, 2011

A study by the Policing Just OUtcomes (PJO), in collaboration with Edith Cowan University and the Victoria Police has revealed alarming insights into Australians view on rape and sexual assault victims.

The report revealed a number of key findings, including significant delays in reporting the offence, with the survey revealing that only 35 per cent of participants reported the crime to police.

The survey questioned 336 respondents from across Victoria and also included in-depth interviews with 76 victims and survivors, assessing the decision making behind reporting their sexual victimisation to the police.

The report also revealed a number of concerning attitudes towards rape and sexual assault, including victims being blamed for their attack, inadequate family support and disbelief in the victim's story.

Lead Researcher, and ECU's Foundation Chair in Social Justice, Professor Caroline Taylor, believes the survey provides a concerning snapshot into a sample of rape survivors and their reporting decisions.

"When analysed against the barriers and dilemmas they face it is clear that family members and the community continue to intentionally or unintentionally prevent rape victims from reporting the crime to police and accessing appropriate health and medical services."

"Moreover, the study revealed that less than 20 per cent of rape victims sought medical support or help. This is an alarming trend considering the long term negative health and psychological impacts associated with rape and sexual assault," said Professor Taylor.

"The research also makes clear a that there is a long delay between the crime and reporting the offence, which needs to be addressed to ensure victims feel confident in disclosing their crimes to police."

"These finding highlight the fact that we still have a long way to go in ensuring rape victims receive compassionate and just responses from family, community and police." said Professor Taylor.
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/104440/20110125/australia-sexual-assault-rape-sex-study-research.htm
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jan, 2011 11:45 pm
@firefly,
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"These finding highlight the fact that we still have a long way to go in ensuring rape victims receive compassionate and just responses from family, community and police." said Professor Taylor


In all honesty would read "we still have a long way to go in getting sexual transgression victims to act as we feminists think that they should act"

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When analysed against the barriers and dilemmas they face it is clear that family members and the community continue to intentionally or unintentionally prevent rape victims from reporting the crime to police and accessing appropriate health and medical services
said as if someone is chaining up rape victims and not allowing them to go to the police or the medical center. THis kind of blatant abuse of language is a big reason why the rape feminists are so difficult to take seriously.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2011 02:10 am
@firefly,
It's nice to see that the little bug, Billy, isn't posting any more.















Razz
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2011 06:57 am
@Intrepid,
Quote:
It's nice to see that the little bug, Billy, isn't posting any more.


Yes BIILO had not posted in months and BillW for a fair time period.
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2011 01:10 pm
Quote:
Sexual violence in Alaska is far worse than reported, study finds
By Jade Walker jade Walker
Tue Jan 25, 2011

FBI crime statistics show that the chance of a woman being raped in the state of Alaska is higher than in any other state in the union. But what about unreported sexual assaults? A new study conducted by the University of Alaska Anchorage's Justice Center found that 9 out of 10 rape cases go unreported.

The study offered more grim statistics:

* More than 44 percent of those surveyed have suffered physical violence in a close relationship, from slapping to severe beatings.

* More than 58 percent report that they've suffered either threats of violence or actual physical violence in an intimate relationship or sexual assault at some time in the lives.

* More than 37 percent report that they've suffered some form of sexual assault in their lives.

* More than 4 percent report that they've suffered sexual assault in the past year.

"If you really stop and think about it and consider these numbers, it means there's a level of violence and victimization in this state that makes you uncomfortable. It makes your skin crawl," State Senator Hollis French told Reuters.

Sexual assault can happen to anyone and perpetrators come from all races and socioeconomic classes, religions and cultures. However, Native American and Alaska Native women are 2 to 2.5 times more likely to be sexually assaulted than women of all other ethnicities in the U.S., Amnesty International reported.

Previous studies have also shown that the average age of rape victims in Alaska was 16 while the average age of those accused was 29. Four out of five cases involved suspects who were relatives, friends or acquaintances.

"When a victim knows who harmed them and they live in a small community where everyone is related, they know that if they report that they were harmed, then other community members will be impacted," Michelle DeWitt, director of the Tundra Women's Coalition, told The Associated Press. "Knowing that someone may be removed from the community makes it very difficult to talk about it."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_spoint/20110125/ts_yblog_spoint/sexual-violence-in-alaska-is-far-worse-than-reported-study-finds
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2011 01:41 pm
@firefly,
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FBI crime statistics show that the chance of a woman being raped in the state of Alaska is higher than in any other state in the union. But what about unreported sexual assaults? A new study conducted by the University of Alaska Anchorage's Justice Center found that 9 out of 10 rape cases go unreported.

where you find vast amounts of alcohol and drugs you find widespread sexual consent problems...anyone who does not know this has not been paying attention. The situation in Alaska, northern Canada, UP Michigan and American Indian reservations is well known.

What the rape feminists dont want to talk about is how this is not representative of hatred of women or the desire to abuse women, but of how when humans let their minds get scrambled with chemicals consent theory can no longer function as a practical matter.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2011 03:06 pm
@hawkeye10,
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More than 37 percent report that they've suffered some form of sexual assault in their lives.

* More than 4 percent report that they've suffered sexual assault in the past year.


If you look at those surveys, you will find that if a woman even gotten grab and kiss without her permission ahead of time and she did not like it she had been a victim of a sexual assault and counted as such in those bullshit surveys.

Less alone if a man had grab her breasts in a middle of a made out session and she was unhappy about it.

That is how they get those silly numbers so high and that is why in the college surveys the vast majority of women that the surveys had counted as being victims of sexual assaults disagree with that label for themselves. Hell that is also, why 43 percents or so was found to be in ongoing relationships with their “rapists”

They play similar games with the domestic violence numbers as any woman who in her life had been curse at or name call by her partner during a fight is also a victim of domestic violence.


 

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