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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2011 03:30 pm
@firefly,
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* More than 44 percent of those surveyed have suffered physical violence in a close relationship, from slapping to severe beatings.


I would love to see any survey that would show that 44 percents of women had been even slapped less alone severely beaten by a partner anywhere in the western world!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please post the link to a survey that would give such numbers.

As I had already posted they get high numbers by asking the women if a man had ever gotten in their face, curse at them, name call them etc.

I had never seen a survey when you look at it that claimed that women had been beaten or slap around in such numbers.



hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2011 03:55 pm
@BillRM,
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I would love to see any survey that would show that 44 percents of women had been even slapped less alone severely beaten by a partner anywhere in the western world!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is probably about right, but then again it was not that long ago that most men believed that if they had not gotten their face slapped by a woman at some point in their lives then they must be doing something wrong, must be too timid around women. And take a look at modern porn, there is a lot of face slapping going on. And then there is always the Kama Sutra which teaches that slapping and pinching at the appropriate moments is a requirement for great sex.

I'll take the 44%....my response is "so what?"That does not mean that these women have been beaten around by a man as an act of hostile aggression. We would need to see the question that was asked before we could even begin to take it seriously, which is conveniently not available so far as I can find. Near as I can figure some of these women were slapped by their mothers and girlfriends given the wording of the report, and as we all know the feminists are all for twisting the truth to sell their agenda. I have every reason to expect that this report is more of that.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2011 03:55 pm
It just hit me that one of the most famous pictures of all times of a sailor grabbing a woman in a crowd bending her over and kissing her during the celebration at the news of the end of World War two would without question be consider a sexual assault in those surveys.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2011 04:00 pm
@hawkeye10,
Somehow I do not think that even they are talking about sex play but then you can never know as dishonest as they tend to be.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2011 04:04 pm
@BillRM,
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alone if a man had grab her breasts in a middle of a made out session and she was unhappy about it


I have seen feminists claim that a dirty joke told in the around a woman is "sexual assault", so when anyone wants to talk about numbers related to "sexual assault" they should be required to define it....much like Firefly's ponderings should be ignored until and unless she is willing to define consent.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2011 04:09 pm
@BillRM,
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Somehow I do not think that even they are talking about sex play but then you can never know as dishonest as they tend to be.
Show me the question asked and then we could talk, till then I have to assume that this is more of the feminist practice of creating numbers and spewing them forth in the effort to promote their agenda. The fact that this number does not explicitly talk about men doing the hitting nor does it seem to exclude sluts getting a slap across the face by their mothers leads me to believe that the 44% includes all face slaps, not just the ones from boyfriends and lovers.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2011 04:41 pm
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N.R.A. Stymies Firearms Research, Scientists Say
By MICHAEL LUO
Published: January 25, 2011

In the wake of the shootings in Tucson, the familiar questions inevitably resurfaced: Are communities where more people carry guns safer or less safe? Does the availability of high-capacity magazines increase deaths? Do more rigorous background checks make a difference?

The reality is that even these and other basic questions cannot be fully answered, because not enough research has been done. And there is a reason for that. Scientists in the field and former officials with the government agency that used to finance the great bulk of this research agree in saying that the influence of the National Rife Association has all but choked off money for such work.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/us/26guns.html?hp

This exact thing as been going on for decades in the fields of human sexuality and relationship (in particular power dynamics with-in relationship)......if the feminists do not want the question looked at it has not been looked at, they will go to any lengths to shut down funding and to discredit through slander any scientist who dares to cross them.

We should be ashamed...
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2011 07:40 pm
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Former bus driver from Heath gets 4 years for raping passenger
Jan. 25, 2011

UPDATE | NEWARK -- A 71-year-old former bus driver was sentenced to four years in prison for raping a 70-year-old passenger with Alzheimer's disease in his Licking County Aging Program bus.

Donald G. Moore, last known address 1086 Nadine Drive, Heath, was found guilty Tuesday of one count each of rape, a first-degree felony; sexual battery, a third-degree felony and gross sexual imposition, a fourth-degree felony. He could have faced up to 16-and-a-half years in prison and a $35,000 fine.

Between Dec. 1, 2009, and April 15, 2010, Moore sexually abused the woman five times when he was supposed to transport her from home to an adult day-care center, where she stayed when her relative was at work.

On April 15, a witness saw the victim topless in an aging program bus stopped at Licking Springs Nature Trail, 1539 Columbus Road, Granville, Licking County Assistant Prosecutor Dan Huston said.

Moore told police he thought the woman "liked it," but officers said she was impaired by her disease and could not consent, Huston said.

"It's pretty clear the defendant simply took advantage of the victim," Huston said.

A fingerprint background check before Moore's hiring in 2003 revealed no criminal background, said Dave Bibler, executive director of the Licking County Aging Program. Moore is no longer employed by the agency, according to a news release.

Moore was arrested on April 15 and held at the Licking County jail on a $500,000 bond until his attorney, Diane Menashe, petitioned the court for his release because of health problems.

Moore was released on June 30 to his Heath home, where he was tracked by an electronic monitor. Although most people accused of rape remain in jail, Moore was let out because of his age and health problems, Huston said.

Moore appeared in court Tuesday, wearing a Licking County Aging Program hat, in a wheelchair with a plastic bag of medications to take to prison. Menashe said Moore underwent chemotherapy to treat his lymphoma, but his prognosis is "bleak."

Menashe plans to ask Licking County Common Pleas Court Judge Thomas Marcelain for Moore's early release after three years.

Marcelain sentenced Moore to four years in prison and ordered him to register as a Tier III sex offender every 90 days for life.
http://www.newarkadvocate.com/article/20110125/NEWS01/110125008/1002/news01/Former-bus-driver-gets-prison-rape?odyssey=nav%7Chead
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2011 08:26 pm
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Jeans for Justice
By: Erika Odell

On Tuesday, hundreds of people across the Shoals participated in Jeans for Justice. Rape response in the Shoals has been participating in the event for the past nine years, but this world wide movement started in Italy in 1999.

"It grew out of a protest from an Italian supreme court decision where a rape conviction was overturned because the court said the victim was wearing jeans so she couldn't have been raped. They said the perpetrator couldn't have taken her jeans off without her help," said Kathy Connolly, Director of Rape Response in the Shoals. "Obviously, that's just ridiculous and as a reminder of the kinds of things rape victims go through, we celebrate Jeans for Justice."

Local schools, businesses and individuals paid a dollar to wear jeans to work, hoping to raise money and awareness about the crime.

Melanie Harris, and 8th grade math teacher at Florence Middle School said that it's a great way to share with her students about rape awareness.

"I believe that Jeans for Justice is a great way to raise awareness for sexual assault and rape," said Harris. "It's a great way for us to take a stand, not only to show the students, but as community members."

The agency raised $3500 last year to help serve rape victims in the Shoals area.

"Rape is a terrible crime, and it's such a trauma," said Connolly. "I tell people, it's as if a hand grenade was lofted in to their life and the pieces of it blew everywhere, and it really takes a whole community caring to help people on to the road to healing. Even if you're not ready to tell anyone, I encourage people to disclose to the crisis line to seek help
http://www.waaytv.com/news/local/story/Jeans-for-Justice/wpfDor_ol06ChRM7bIN-SQ.cspx
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2011 08:34 pm
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Proposed State Bill Requires Sex Offenders to be Identified on Driver's License
January 25, 2011
By HOLLY NUNN

ANNAPOLIS (January 25, 2011) - State Sen. Richard F. Colburn wants to make sure police officers in Maryland know what they're dealing with when they stop a sex offender on the road, especially if that sex offender has a child in the car.

Colburn, R-Dorchester, has introduced legislation this year that would require that driver's licenses display a code identifying sex offenders to law enforcement.

"I believe that if we're serious about cracking down on sex offenders, we need to give our police officers this tool," Colburn said.

Colburn introduced a similar measure last year during a flurry of legislative activity on sex offenders in response to the December 2009 rape and murder of 11-year-old Sarah Foxwell in Wicomico County. A registered sex offender has been charged with the crime.

The 2010 legislation passed the Senate but died in conference committee due to concerns that the amendment had not been properly vetted and that it could lead to violation of offenders' rights.

The American Civil Liberties Union has been among those opposed to such legislation, calling any mark on an identification card "a scarlet letter" and an unnecessary measure.

David Walsh-Little, a public defender and member of Maryland's Sex Offender Advisory Board, said the mark would have the effect of "marginalizing people who need treatment in a society that needs education about sex offenses."

Colburn said the code, placed on a sex offender's driver's license by the Motor Vehicle Administration, could only be read by law enforcement. And that might be enough to convince other legislators to support the bill.

"If Sen. Colburn brings it back to the Judicial Proceedings Committee, and it's in a code that's only discernible to police officers, it has my support," said Sen. James Brochin, D-Baltimore County, and a member of that committee. "Because I think that's a win-win."

Colburn is unsure of how exactly the bill would be implemented, but Wicomico County Sherriff Mike Lewis, who led the search for Sarah Foxwell and worked with Colburn on the legislation, said there are a couple of ways it could be marked on the license -- either in the bar code or with a small, lettered caution code, similar to the marking for drivers with corrective lenses.

Lewis said that such marks would give his officers an additional level of awareness when pulling over sex offenders.

"I have every right, actually I have a duty, to ask that sex offender additional questions if he has a child in the car," Lewis said. Investigators believe that Sarah Foxwell was driven throughout Wicomico County the night of her disappearance.

Similar legislation has been considered in Connecticut and California. A few states, including Delaware, Louisiana and Tennessee, already have laws for marking the driver's licenses of sex offenders.

Other legislation has been introduced to crack down on sex offenders, including a bill toughening the punishment for indecent exposure involving minors and a bill to criminalize attempted sexual offense in the third degree.
http://somd.com/news/headlines/2011/13124.shtml
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2011 09:45 pm
@firefly,
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"I have every right, actually I have a duty, to ask that sex offender additional questions if he has a child in the car," Lewis said. Investigators believe that Sarah Foxwell was driven throughout Wicomico County the night of her disappearance.


Given that they now define sex offenders as an eighteen years old who had have sex with his 16 years old girlfriend or the sixteen girlfriend who send a nude picture of herself to her eighteen years old boyfriend I think the idea is crazy.

Oh and you do not age off such lists in the US at least.

Once can only wonder at the harm that would be done to the children who would need to watch their parents being abused by law enforcement every time they are stop for any reason.

Now if you would wish to limit it to convicted pedophiles that might do more good then harm.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2011 10:19 pm
@BillRM,
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Given that they now define sex offenders as an eighteen years old who had have sex with his 16 years old girlfriend or the sixteen girlfriend who send a nude picture of herself to her eighteen years old boyfriend I think the idea is crazy.

the rape feminists are lying again...this has nothing to do with providing information to law enforcement, they already have that when they key your number into their computer.....this is about everyone else that you must show ID to knowing. For instance they want bars and restaurants to say that sex offenders are not welcome in their establishment, they want the roller rink to card and keep our sex offenders out and so on. This is all about retribution,making life for sex offenders so difficult that they can not get on with their lives. This is about making a sex charge a lifetime of hurt even though the Constitution gets in the way of doing this by of the criminal justice system, or lawfully. It is about encouraging vigilante action against sex offenders.

Drunk driving will be next, and within twenty years our entire rap sheet will be encoded on our drivers Lisc if we allow this.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2011 10:34 pm
@hawkeye10,
The more they do such the more likely that anyone listed as a sex offender will change ID and disappear completely.

There is a trade off that for sure and marking some nineteen years old for life as an evil sex offender for having the poor judgment to have a underage girlfriend is crazy.

The vast numbers of people on such lists are in fact no more of a danger to children then people not on such a list in any case.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2011 10:43 pm
@BillRM,
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The more they do such the more likely that anyone listed as a sex offender will change ID and disappear completely
They will be like truckers, different paperwork for different folks. In this case they will have a real ID for the cops and a fake one one for everyone else. Fake ID's are not that difficult to get, and if the rape feminists create even more of a market for them they will get even more easy to get.

However, the fact that the rape feminists are lying through their asses still pisses me off. A willingness to be honest with the American people should be a required prerequisite to being in charge of American Sex law, and these folks decided that they were not willing to shoot straight well over a decade ago. It is well past time to replace them with better. And I am sure that we can do better.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2011 11:41 pm
@hawkeye10,
You need to clarify that remark about truckers.
How do you figure that truckers use different kinds of paperwork for each person?
Truckers are only allowed to have 1 drivers license, and with so many companies using computerized logs, drivers are only using one set of papers.
So please clarify your remark so its more understandable in context with the current discussion.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2011 11:53 pm
@mysteryman,
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So please clarify your remark so its more understandable in context with the current discussion.
The decades long practice of having multiple paper logs so that at any time that they are looked at the trucker will always have one set that makes it look like they have been sticking to lawful hours, when in fact they have not been.

I am aware that most major firm drivers now have computerized records and GPS on their rigs so that the employer can monitor them. I also hear that some firms put webcams in so that they can watch their drivers 24/7. I am not sure about how this effects illegal driving.

In my argument I was assuming that illegal trucking is commonly known enough that the parallels between that and what would happen with sex offenders and their DL could be drawn. I was not necessarily saying that Illegal trucking is common today.

I will note however that just a few months ago I heard of a case where a two man team drove nonstop Washington-Florida, getting in two days before they were supposed to and thus causing a problem for the person who was receiving. I know that illegal trucking still takes place.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jan, 2011 12:29 am
HAWKEYE CONTINUES TO BE OBSESSED WITH A FEMINIST CONSPIRACY
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OF COURSE, AFTER 369 PAGES, PARANOID HAWKEYE STILL CAN'T IDENTIFY ANY OF THESE FEMINISTS Laughing
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HAWKEYE JUST KNOWS THESE FEMINISTS MEET IN SECRET CABALS--AND PLOT TO RUN THE WORLD Laughing
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OBSESSIONS ARE A SIGN OF MENTAL ILLNESS. BUT WE GUESSED THAT ABOUT HAWKEYE ALREADY Laughing
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AND DUMB BILLRM IS JUST AS CRAZY--HE LICKS HAWKEYE'S BOOTS--AND FEEDS HIM LINES--AND HIDES OUT WITH CATS
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RUN, HAWKEYE! RUN, BILLRM! THE RAPE FEMINISTS ARE AFTER YOU! YOU CANNOT HIDE--THEY WILL FIND YOU!
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YOU TWO BETTER START GETTING IN SHAPE--OR THOSE FEMINISTS WILL BEAT THE S__T OUT OF YOU Laughing
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jan, 2011 12:37 am
@hawkeye10,
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Drunk driving will be next, and within twenty years our entire rap sheet will be encoded on our drivers Lisc if we allow this.

And just how long is your rap sheet?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jan, 2011 12:55 am
@firefly,
CANADIAN SEXUAL ASSAULT LAW: NEOLIBERALISM AND THE
EROSION OF FEMINIST-INPIRED LAW REFORMS
Lise Gotell
Faculty - Gotell
DR. LISE GOTELL

Professor of Women's Studies

[email protected]


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FULL CV

EARNED DEGREES:
BPA Hon., Public Administration (Carleton University)
MA, Political Science (York University)
PhD, Political Science (York University)
Postdoctoral Fellowship, Feminist Legal Studies (Osgoode Hall Law School)

RESEARCH: My research focuses on gender, sexuality and law. I have published on diverse areas in Canadian feminist legal studies, including equality litigation, obscenity law and sexual orientation jurisprudence. My recent work explores developments in sexual assault law in the context of neoliberal governance and contemporary forms of feminist antirape activism.



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CONCLUSION
Law reform efforts were only one component of a broad-based Canadian feminist strategy that sought to de-individualize sexual violence and place it firmly in the social and political arena as a legitimate object of governmental intervention. As I have argued here, even though statute and doctrine have moved Canadian law in the direction of an ‘only yes means yes’ standard, the transactional logics of affirmative consent operate to decontextualize sexual violence from the social power relations that define it. The atomized frame of criminal law is accentuated in a context of neoliberalism where risk management discourses hail women as hyper-cautious victims of sexual violence and reconstruct vulnerability as a failure of responsibilization.

In a context in which sexual violence as a gender equality issue has disappeared from political agendas, the opportunities for law reform have closed. This temporary closure of political spaces has produced a productive strategic emphasis on ensuring enforcement and altering police practices. Restricted opportunities for law reform should also promote critical reflection and prompt a reminder that criminal law reform, even in its most progressive guises, is a limited strategy. As Marcus (1992) has insightfully argued, an emphasis on vindication in the courts has limited effectiveness for a politics of rape
prevention. This strategy conceives of sexual violence as a taken for granted occurrence, with only post rape events offering possible occasions for intervention. In the present context, a renewed focus on prevention, including cultivating women’s resistance to their assigned role as safety-conscious victims-in-waiting and engaging men in anti-rape education and politics, constitute promising extra-legal strategies.
http://ualberta.academia.edu/LiseGotell/Papers/279667/Canadian_Sexual_Assault_Law_Neoliberalism_and_the_Erosion_of_Feminist-Inspired_Law_Reforms

IS there any possibility of Firefly forgoing the flimsy Bull-**** lies, of her owning up to the historical truth as well as her beliefs?

I doubt it......

However, we all have Google now, so we are no longer required to sit in rapt attention as she assures us of what an expert she is and then proceeds to tell us the most outrageous of lies as she goes about trying to sell her wares. She seems unaware that her Shtick has been done in by the Internet..
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jan, 2011 01:13 am
@hawkeye10,
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