Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

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Students punished for bullying rape victim
Monisha Martins - Maple Ridge News
January 12, 2011

Five students at a Maple Ridge high school were reprimanded for bullying a teenage girl who was sexually assaulted last fall at a party in Pitt Meadows.

The students were identified through comments made on Facebook, a social networking site where photographs of the alleged crime were posted.

To protect the 16-year-old girl’s identity, the school cannot be named.

Once the students were identified in September, school district spokesperson Seamus Nesling said they decided to write letters of apology to the victim.

Police allege the 16-year-old girl was raped at “Another Night in Bangkok,” a party held on a farm at 12993 Harris Rd., Sept. 10.

Investigators believe that as many as 12 people witnessed the incident and “more than one individual” participated in it.

The assault was photographed on a cell phone. Graphic images were then posted on the Internet and distributed to hundreds of teens via Facebook.

So far only one person – Colton Ashton McMorris of Maple Ridge – has been charged with sexual assault.

Two others – 19-year-old Dennis John Allen Warrington of Langley and a 16-year-old boy, who cannot be named – faces charges of distributing child pornography.

Following the sexual assault, investigators struggled to curb the spread of the photographs via the Internet.

Although their distribution has been mostly halted, police say the teenage girl is still being victimized through comments being posted online.

The bullying has prompted the young girl to pull out of school. She is now completing most of her courses online or through correspondence and is attending only one class.

“When she comes to school, she is treated with respect and has lots of friends and is supported,” said Nesling.

“There is still very negative stuff going back and forth on Facebook. The school is aware of it and police are aware of it.”

Nesling added the bullying now appears to be coming from individuals who are not from the girl’s school.

If students who take classes at school within the Maple Ridge-Pitt Meadows school district are identified as the bullies, Nesling stressed they will be held accountable.

He said the district uses a restorative justice approach to deal with bullying that involves a counsellor and other school staff.

“The emphasis is on why did this happen and what we can do to prevent it,” he added.

McMorris and Warrington are set to make their first appearance in court on the charges today, Jan. 12.
http://www.bclocalnews.com/tri_city_maple_ridge/mapleridgenews/news/113311564.html

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'Code of silence' stymying B.C. gang rape case: RCMP
Jan. 07 2011 16:38:47
CTV.ca News Staff

Police say a code of silence has led to their pressing just one charge of sexual assault in an incident investigators maintain was a case of gang rape.

The Mounties announced Thursday that they have arrested two more men in connection with the alleged attack on a 16-year-old girl at a rave in Pitt Meadows, east of Vancouver on Sept. 10.

Colton Ashton McMorris, 18, is charged with sexual assault and 19-year-old Dennis John Allen Warrington is charged with making and distributing child pornography.

Last fall, a 16-year-old male was charged with production and distribution of child pornography in the case.

Police have always maintained that multiple suspects took part in the incident, during which police say the girl was attacked and photographed in cell phone images that were later posted to social media websites including Facebook.

But RCMP Sgt. Peter Thiessen says "a code of silence" is preventing investigators from gathering enough evidence to charge anyone else.

"At this point we still believe there was more than one male involved in this sexual assault," Thiessen told CTV's Canada AM on Friday. "We believe that because of the statements and information we have from a variety of sources. However, bringing that to trial and getting approved charges is a whole other matter."

Thiessen added that, "some have assisted, but we know many have not for one reason or another."

From his perspective, CTV legal analyst Steven Skurka says he's surprised there has only been one charge of sexual assault in three months of investigation. But, he added, he'd be even more astonished if police encountered anything other than silence from anyone who may have had a part in the alleged attack.

"We're talking about people who are suspected of crime. Their lawyers are going to tell them not to say anything, and that's to be expected. They're exercising their constitutional right," Skurka said on Canada AM.

"If I was there, I'd be telling my client to do the same."

On the chance of a surprise confession or other unexpected development, Thiessen said police still hope to gather enough evidence to press more charges.

"At this point we're not saying there will be, but we're certainly hopeful that people, young adults, teenagers, parents will do the right thing and provide us with the information we need to bring others before the courts."

In the days following the rave at the centre of the case, police sorted through lurid reports that the girl had been drugged.

However, police said Thursday that toxicology tests showed no sign of drugs or alcohol. Still, Thiessen noted that the tests were carried out more than 20 hours after the incident.
http://winnipeg.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110107/bc-gang-rape-charges-110107/20110107/?hub=WinnipegHome

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@firefly,

It is a crime now not to believed that a woman/girl had been rape and express that opinion on the internet and this is coming at least in part from people who had likely seen the illegal video tape and know the players involved.

Please take note that a rape or sexual assault had not been proven to had happen in any court of law as of this date.

Also please take note also that even when a man is found not guilty of rape or that in fact a rape had not even occur in a court of law that is not good enough for Firefly to stop questioning his character.

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@BillRM,

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Also please take note also that even when a man is found not guilty of rape or that in fact a rape had not even occur in a court of law that is not good enough for Firefly to stop questioning his character.

You are again distorting what I said. You do this rather maliciously.

A not guilty verdict does not necessarily mean that a crime did not occur. And that is particularly true of the crime of rape because it is a difficult crime to successfully prosecute. And that fact is widely acknowledged by D.A.s.

So, an acquittal on a rape charge, does not mean that the defendant was the either the victim of a false allegation, or an unjustified prosecution, as you have been trying to suggest.

You are the one who can't stop questioning the character of every woman who alleges she was raped.

You are as paranoid as Hawkeye in your distrust of women. Two histrionic drama queens trying to warn all men that evil, conniving women are just lying in wait, poised to leap into action and slam them with false rape charges, which will result in "FEMINIST" juries convicting them and sending them to the slammer for decades.

You are both paranoid nuts.

DUMB

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AND DUMBER

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Yes, Hawkeye. Anything you say, Hawkeye. Tell me again about the FEMINISTS, Hawkeye. Remind me how women can't be trusted, Hawkeye.

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@firefly,

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A not guilty verdict does not necessarily mean that a crime did not occur. And that is particularly true of the crime of rape because it is a difficult crime to successfully prosecute. And that fact is widely acknowledged by D.A.s.

So, an acquittal on a rape charge, does not mean that the defendant was the either the victim of a false allegation, or an unjustified prosecution, as you have been trying to suggest.

Sorry dear heart we was talking about one case where there is very little question that no rape had occur and a court found that no rape had occur.

And my comment it is a damn shame that anyone googling her name is not going to know of her placing charges that was found to be not valid by a court of law and therefore be warn of her character however anyone googling his name will find that he was court martial for rape.

An as you had posted just because a court found him innocent does not clear his name in your eyes in fact nothing would clear his name in your eyes and people like you.

She had placed a question mark on his name for the rest of his life and at the same time her name is completely shielded from harm or questions.

Unlike the sleeping gentleman who was clear of all charges, the public is denial the right to know of her involvement in this matter so future possible mates and employers and others can form their own judgments of her as they are free to do concerning him using the known facts.

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@firefly,

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You are as paranoid as Hawkeye in your distrust of women. Two histrionic drama queens trying to warn all men that evil, conniving women are just lying in wait, poised to leap into action and slam them with false rape charges, which will result in "FEMINIST" juries convicting them and sending them to the slammer for decades

Women as a group Firefly is not one bit more trustworthy then men even if you keep trying to spin it otherwise. There are male rapists amount us and women who would not have a problem in the world with leveling false charges.

Hmm Firefly would you care for me to post story after story after story of known false charges being level against men once more?

That sadly says nothing of the cases where the nature of the charges being false is not known. By the laws of probabilities, there will be a large numbers of such cases.

But for one member of a group of guys using his cell phone to record group sex with a young lady you would had been posting about another gang rape or if something had gone wrong with the police officers video dash cams in the youtube video you would had been posting another two stories of police officers charges with molesting women.

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@firefly,

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which will result in "FEMINIST" juries convicting them and sending them to the slammer for decades

Oh once more with the men names in the local papers and available with a simple google search you do need to convict the men or even take them to trial to ruin them and their families lives.

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@firefly,

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But a jury believed her

That is a problem, because that makes no sense. How in this day and age where saviour groups richly supported with our tax dollars are falling all over themselves to talk/help women out of relationships, where beds are provided with no notice to women who want to leave, where money is handed over on 24 hours notice to women who claim coercion or abuse with no evidence needed, where legal assistance is provided for no charge to the alleged victim, where a liaison is provided in the hopes of ginning up the "justice" system against the alleged abuser at no cost to the alleged victim and where all these services are advertised seemingly everywhere we look can women get away with claiming that they went along for the ride because they had no options and no ability to make a better choice for themselves??? The claim is bogus on the face of it. These are women who are out to blame men for their own bad choices, or choices that they later regret, and they should not get away with laying all of the guilt for things going bad on the men in their lives. These women need to be made to take responsibility for their choices and behaviour,.....as Bill keeps correctly pointing out these adult women must be treated as adults.Not doing this hurts women as well as men, it is stupidity in action.

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@firefly,

Billy seems to enjoy being Hawkeye's little puppy dog.

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@Intrepid,

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Billy seems to enjoy being Hawkeye's little puppy dog.

That the best you can come up with?

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@BillRM,

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That the best you can come up with?

I Guess that intended insult was supposed to work better in the 18th try than it did on the first 17....gotta make you wonder about the intelligence of the alleged brainiacs in this thread.

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@hawkeye10,

Insults are too good for supporters of rape like you and your little minion. If it only took 18 times for you to finally realize an insult, you must be a bit smarter than I gave you credit for.

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@Intrepid,

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If it only took 18 times for you to finally realize an insult,

Your brain is low wattage as usual....nothing I said indicates that I did not pick up on your insult attempt the first time.

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@hawkeye10,

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Your brain is low wattage as usual....nothing I said indicates that I did not pick up on your insult attempt the first time.

Hawkeye I consider him to be little more then a small source of background noise on this thread.

As such I normally filter Intrepid out with the ignore function. Using a very small sampling rate for his posts.

I know you do not care to used the ignore function but honestly when had he added anything at all of worth to this thread?

Hell, his noise is more random then the background radiance of the universe as at least that noise had some fine structure to it.

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@BillRM,

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I know you do not care to used the ignore function but honestly when had he added anything at all of worth to this thread

IDK for sure, but I think a couple of hundred pages ago he said something, but I don't remember what it was. Everything else he posts is more of IdiotBills MO, bitching that we are having this debate, bitching that his opinion as represented by Firefly is being disagreed with. Why he does not go away and spend his time in some conversation that he finds productive I have to assume has to do with him thinking as IdiotBill does that he has the right to decide what other people talk about in his presence.

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@hawkeye10,

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These women need to be made to take responsibility for their choices and behaviour

And the same is true for men. And that includes Glenn Marcus. He chose to control this woman in a manner that involved extreme threats, blackmail, and coercion--in order to keep her from leaving the relationship, and that's why he was convicted.

You do realize you are defending a man, Glenn Marcus, whose over-the-top acts of sadism toward women repel even many of those who accept BDSM, don't you?

I notice you have several times refused to answer this question--

Just what is your definition of "consent"?

(I have previously told you I accept the definition of consent used in your state, Washington--freely willing, knowing agreement}

And how would you define "rape"?

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@hawkeye10,

You assume that anything you, or your moronic sidekick, have to say on the subject of rape constitutes a valid opinion that people should listen to.

But, all you have done is argue that the current rape/sexual assault laws are part of a conspiratorial plot on the part of unnamed "feminists" which you fear will lead to criminalization of your BDSM activities.

And your stupid sidekick has done nothing but harp on the issue of false allegations (which really has nothing to do with the specific current state rape/sexual assault laws}, because his ex-wife tried to screw him in their divorce by claiming he assaulted her.

So, two angry myosgynists, with their own personal axes to grind, do not necessarily have opinions that anyone cares to hear in a thread about rape and rape victims.

The internet affords any lunatic the space to post their irrational opinions. That doesn't mean that anyone wants to, or should, take these opinions seriously.

Even Jared Loughner, who just tried to assassinate Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, posted his opinions about rape online:

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Later that day, he posted a rant titled "Why Rape," which said women in college enjoyed being raped. "There are Rape victims that are under the influence of a substance. The drinking is leading them to rape. The loneliness will bring you to depression. Being alone for a very long time will inevitably lead you to rape."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703791904576075851892478080.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories

As I said, the internet affords any lunatic the space to post their irrational opinions...and that includes you and your sidekick, BillRM.

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@firefly,

You seem to read these two idiots perfectly. The fact that they think they have anything of value to say is laughable. Hawkeye is out to change the world so that scum like him can have their way with little girls and women whom he deems to be easy prey.

The fact that nobody else posts on this thread should be telling to even the likes of him. Apparently, he thinks that the large number of posts he and his loser friend make means that what they have to say are of interest to people.

If that is so, then we live in a very sick society. I do not believe that to be true.

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@firefly,

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He chose to control this woman in a manner that involved extreme threats, blackmail, and coercion--in order to keep her from leaving the relationship, and that's why he was convicted.

Really? I have not looked into the case much but itappeared to me that the conviction was based upon the delievery of the sister and for the profit making work that he ordered her to do.

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You do realize you are defending a man, Glenn Marcus

I have not defended him except to say that ordering her to work for profit should not have been a crime. Her remedy if she did not want to do it is to leave the relationship, the state has no grounds to be involved. As you know I do not think that Coercion should invalidate consent, humans are coercive all of the time, it is part of who we are. You yourself have been coercive towards me in you attempt to get me to be quiet, so you are a fine one to take the position that coercion should be regulated by the government.

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Just what is your definition of "consent"?

That is rich comming from you, considering that you will not state your position on what consent is. I have gone much further to outline my position on the matter, and see no reason to expound further in the face of your stonewalling.

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And how would you define "rape"?

as I have said many times it should be legally and is to me force over registered non-consent, or sex with an unconscious person who has not previously consented. Having sex with a woman I find passed out drunk is not ok, sex with my sleeping wife is OK.

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@firefly,

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The internet affords any lunatic the space to post their irrational opinions. That doesn't mean that anyone wants to, or should, take these opinions seriously

WOW, this is a whopper even for you. You have taken my opinion seriously for hundreds of pages in this thread and now you claim that I am lunatic who can not be taken seriously Smile

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Let's talk turkey for a second....just how dumb do you think the average A2k'er is? I know you got Intrepid, but I dont think A2K has many of his caliber.

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@hawkeye10,

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Really? I have not looked into the case much but itappeared to me that the conviction was based upon the delievery of the sister and for the profit making work that he ordered her to do.

Then you don't bother to read what is posted. I posted part of the court decision that described, in some detail, what Glenn Marcus did to Jodi--and also noted the fact he kept the money she was making for him.

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That is rich comming from you, considering that you will not state your position on what consent is.

Again, you don't bother to read what is posted. I told you I accepted the definition of consent used by the state of Washington--freely willing, knowing agreement. That is my "position".

I ask you, again, what is your definition of consent?

About your definition of rape, you said..

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as I have said many times it should be legally and is to me force over registered non-consent

How do you define "force"? How much "force" has to be used? What would constitute "registered non-consent"?

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As you know I do not think that Coercion should invalidate consent, humans are coercive all of the time, it is part of who we are

Do you distinguish between "coercion" and "threat"?

Since you do nothing but complain about the current sexual assault/rape laws, you should be able to state precisely how you would prefer them to read--particularly the definitions of "rape" and "consent".

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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

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