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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jan, 2011 10:20 pm
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Milwaukee Police Announce Human Trafficking Prosecution
By Erin Toner
January 11, 2011

For the first time in Wisconsin, human trafficking has been prosecuted at the state level. Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn helped announce Tuesday that a jury found 26-year-old Jermaine Rogers guilty of 11 felonies related to human trafficking. Authorities describe Rogers as a pimp who used manipulation and violence to enforce his rules on young women and ensure their loyalty. Flynn says human trafficking is not just an international crime, where victims are transported between countries and forced into sex slavery.

“But what we’ve learned in the United States in recent years is that the majority of our coerced sex workers are American born, people born right here in this country, taken away from their people, taken away from a safe environment and placed in a situation where they are exploited, assaulted and abused and forced to work sex for money,” Flynn says.

Flynn says police are increasingly finding that women who work the streets are forced there by people controlling their lives, and that takes the case beyond prostitution offenses. The chief credits last Friday’s successful prosecution to a task force that includes law enforcement, the District Attorney’s office and social service agencies that reach out to victims.
http://www.wuwm.com/programs/news/view_news.php?articleid=7554
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jan, 2011 11:55 pm
@firefly,
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For the first time in Wisconsin, human trafficking has been prosecuted at the state level
Has the job description of a pimp changed over the years? No. The state is however going after more grave sounding charges and more punishment than has been seen in America during living memory. I noticed a study that showed that American "Justice" has between the 1970's and now become five times more penalizing, which sounds right. However, Unless we are going to have the prisoners dig ditches and then line them up and shoot them, and get the next batch of prisoners to cover the hole this choice that America makes does create bills that Americans are going to have to pay for.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jan, 2011 11:59 pm
@firefly,
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She testified that she felt "powerless" to leave Marcus
Yes, we are well aware that the Feminists are highly in favor of making men criminals based upon the self reported feelings of women!

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2011 02:04 am
@hawkeye10,
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Yes, we are well aware that the Feminists are highly in favor of making men criminals based upon the self reported feelings of women!

Far be it from me to suggest that a woman would lie, but this is also exactly what I would expect a person to say if they wanted to blame somebody else for them not taking steps to take care of themselves. OH, HOW CONVIENYENT YOUR STORY IS MA'AM!
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2011 03:05 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Lord if there is a god then some unstable woman who you had piss of in one way or another will sooner or later file false rape charges on your ass.

So you can enjoy being guilt until proven innocent and even then have people wonder for the rest of your life.


Your stupidity is only exceeded by your paranoia.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2011 03:11 am
@mysteryman,
I disagree with you. Except for prior false claims.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2011 04:05 am
@panzade,
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It seems they got it right. That's a good thing.


It is not a good thing that he needed to go through hell first and it is not a good thing that to this day her name is not a matter of public record but his is .

She can forget it ever happen he is mark however for the rest of his life with a mark that can be read when anyone does a google search on his name.

Employers, possible mates , new friends and co-workers all can google about that night. and come up with his name.

If however a possible employer, possible future mate or whatever google her name she will come up clear as far as this matter is concern at least.

As a male it just might be useful information for me to have that at least at one time in her life she was willing to cry rape when no rape had occur.

I do not know how others males would feel but I would not be alone with her let alone date her as a result, if I knew.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2011 04:11 am
@firefly,
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Flynn says police are increasingly finding that women who work the streets are forced there by people controlling their lives, and that takes the case beyond prostitution offenses.


Women are once more children that can be force and control by any low life male that come along.

If they are not adults and need male protection then we need to take away their rights as adults and set up a system of guardianship for them once more.

From birth to the grave they should be protected just like in our great great grandfathers days.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2011 04:42 am
@BillRM,
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In Roseland, there are no pimps and
women solicit customers from the street. Just a few blocks away in Pullman, all women
work with pimps who locate customers and set-up tricks, so that the prostitutes rarely
solicit on street corners. Under the pimp model, there are fewer transactions, but the
prices charged are substantially higher and the clientele is different. Prostitutes who
work with pimps appear to earn more, and are less likely to be arrested. It appears that
the pimps choose to pay efficiency wages. Consistent with this hypothesis, many of the
women who do not work with pimps are eager to work with pimps, and indeed we
observe a few switches in that direction over the course of the sample. Pimps are limited
by their ability to find customers, however, so they operate on a small scale.
http://economics.uchicago.edu/pdf/Prostitution%205.pdf

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The third and final ingredient for successful pimping is that a
pimp must have a woman or women that want to see him on top.
He is looking for dedication. He is looking for someone who
wants to see her man in fine clothes and driving fine cars.His successor
lack of success is a reflection on her. If her man is not looking
his best, then she is not a very successful ho, and this will make
for an embarrassing impression. As a prostituted woman, she
must work very hard to earn his respect and his love and to keep
him achieving the best in material possessions. He in return
invites her into his underground social network with the sense of
belonging it brings and the promise of material possessions it
provides.
http://www.sagepub.com/lippmanstudy/articles/Williamson.pdf

What the zealots will not admit is that prostitutes can now choose to work with a pimp or not, and that those who do have their reasons...
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2011 05:22 am
@Intrepid,
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Your stupidity is only exceeded by your paranoia
.

Try telling that to the cops in the posted video that was thanking the gods for their dash cam.

Or to a large percent of all men who had gone through a divorce and found that their soon to be ex-wives have no problem lying under oath to the courts for that matter.


snood
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2011 08:20 am
Wow. Just...wow.

C'mon, hawkeye and Bill - admit it. You're both real hounds and chick magnets, aren't ya? You both could probably produce hotselling tomes about all your sexual conquests and the way babes just flock to ya, couldn't ya?

Because we can sure tell how much you both just l-o--o-v-v-e the women!!!
Your admiration, appreciation and (most of all) your respect for women just
OOZES from your posts!!

C'mon, guys! Tell us other guys your chick magnet secrets!!
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2011 09:20 am
@snood,
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C'mon, hawkeye and Bill - admit it. You're both real hounds and chick magnets, aren't ya? You both could probably produce hotselling tomes about all your sexual conquests and the way babes just flock to ya, couldn't ya?


Hmm, I am married to a woman that I had known for 25 years and from Hawkeye postings he married young to his now wife.

My marriage is not open so Hawkeye might had more interesting stories then I do.

What the problem snood in any case you do not get turn on by all the rape stories that Firefly love to post and wish us to post stories to turn you on?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2011 09:51 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Your stupidity is only exceeded by your paranoia
.

Try telling that to the cops in the posted video that was thanking the gods for their dash cam.

Or to a large percent of all men who had gone through a divorce and found that their soon to be ex-wives have no problem lying under oath to the courts for that matter.





I'm telling it to you, but you are too dense to understand that.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2011 10:18 am
@hawkeye10,
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Yes, we are well aware that the Feminists are highly in favor of making men criminals based upon the self reported feelings of women!


Sorry, the jury that convicted Glenn Marcus was not comprised of "FEMINISTS". This is more of your delusional paranoid pathology. You can't write a post without alluding to "FEMINISTS". You see them everywhere, in control of everything. And you feel they are coming after you...Better put on your tin foil hat.

You apparently find the stomach-turning sadism dished out by Marcus to this woman perfectly acceptable. So, why would it bother you that he used constant threats, coercion, and blackmail, to maintain control of her? And you certainly wouldn't want to hear how she felt about all of that, would you? Treating a woman like a slave 24/7 is all right with you, whether or not she really wants to go along with that? If she said she wasn't consenting--but was terrified of him--no one should believe her, should they? Rolling Eyes

But a jury believed her.

Just what is your idea of consent?

Just what aspects of BDSM are you afraid will be criminalized?

firefly
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2011 10:42 am
@BillRM,
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As a male it just might be useful information for me to have that at least at one time in her life she was willing to cry rape when no rape had occur


Because someone is found not guilty after a trial does not necessarily mean a rape did not occur. Rape is a difficult crime to successfully prosecute. A not guilty verdict does not mean the allegation was false.

O.J. was found not guilty of murder in his criminal trial. Rolling Eyes

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Or to a large percent of all men who had gone through a divorce and found that their soon to be ex-wives have no problem lying under oath to the courts for that matter.


And this is the real reason you can't stop harping on the issue of false allegations.

Yes, we all know that you claim your ex-wife lied about about you during your divorce and said you assaulted her. But, how do we know you aren't the one who is lying? Why should we believe you didn't assault her?

Given the fact your current wife sleeps with a gun, there might be some truth to what your first wife said...

Sure, brand all women as liars, so no one will believe what they say about you...that's really your self serving aim.

If you were really concerned about people being victimized, you'd also be concerned about those who are victimized by being raped. But, you dismiss a rape victim's suffering and distress by saying, "she'll get over it", as though it were nothing more than a bout with the flu...

You're still just ticked off at your ex-wife for giving you a hard time during your divorce, and that's what your obsessive whining is all about. And given how verbally abusive and insulting you are, particularly toward women, it's not a great stretch to imagine you assaulting one...



firefly
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2011 10:53 am
@hawkeye10,
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The third and final ingredient for successful pimping is that a
pimp must have a woman or women that want to see him on top.

It's nice that you're posting tips for "successful pimping". I'm sure everyone will find them handy...Laughing
Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2011 11:16 am
@firefly,
Laughing Laughing Laughing

He must be directing this to his dimwit sidekick.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2011 11:18 am
I can only imagine how difficult it must be for this woman to be cross-examined by the man she alleges raped her.
Quote:
Bayshore rape defendant questions accuser at trial
By TOM BRENNAN | The Tampa Tribune
January 11, 2011

As he began defending himself against rape and other charges that could land him a life sentence, Luis Munuzuri Harris sought to keep it impersonal when confronting his accuser.

In cross-examining the woman, Harris used terms such as "that man" and "your assailant" when referring to the rapist.

The 28-year-old woman wouldn't accept any vagueness.

"I was raped by you," she said. "You forced sex on me."

Every time Harris used the third person, the woman used the second.

"I did everything I could to escape you," she said.

Harris' often-sputtering questioning drew objections from prosecutors and admonishments from the judge.

At one point, Hillsborough Circuit Judge Chet A. Tharpe called for a lunch break despite jurors wanting to press on to give Harris time to organize his questions. It came as Harris was reading a lengthy deposition, apparently looking for potential queries.

Tharpe told Harris he was conscious of the potential anguish the woman may suffer from being laboriously grilled by the person she said raped her. He said he wouldn't tolerate needless delays or repetitiveness.

Harris, who bickered with his public defenders for months before dismissing them last week, tried to personalize himself in his opening statement today.

"I am no monster," he told jurors. "I'm just like everyone else."

But the woman painted a different picture.

She said she was heading to work July 29 when she saw a flashing blue light out. She said Harris then pulled alongside her and waved her to the curb.

The woman said Harris told her he was an undercover narcotics officer and was going to take her to jail on drunken driving charges because she was swerving. First he wanted to take her to an ATM so she could get bail money.

The woman said she knew Harris wasn't an officer when he got lost in Hyde Park.

"I'm thinking this guy is going to kill me," she said. "He's got my life in my hands."

She said they eventually returned to Patriots Park on Bayshore Boulevard where they had left her car. There, she said, Harris raped her.

Harris told jurors he stopped to help the woman after she hit a curb. He said they chatted, hit it off and went for drinks. Then, he said, they had consensual sex.
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2011/jan/11/111829/bayshore-rape-suspect-tells-jurors-hes-no-monster/news-breaking/


The defendant in the above case faces a possible life sentence. He is out of his mind to defend himself.
Quote:

Drama continues in Bayshore rape trial as defendant represents himself
By Alexandra Zayas, Times Staff Writer
Jan 12, 2011

TAMPA — Bayshore rape suspect Luis Munuzuri-Harris, representing himself in trial this week, had some complaints to share before testimony began Wednesday:

He wanted a mistrial. He said his mother observed a juror saying he hoped Harris had a good defense. A had judge found on Tuesday that the mother misinterpreted a question that juror asked a bailiff.

Another problem: The reporters were tweeting, showing photos of him in a jail uniform and shackles. He wanted the judge to limit Internet communication and appoint an investigator to see if jurors had been exposed.

And another thing: He'd witnessed the judge and the prosecutor smiling at each other in front of the jury.

"This is not a high school," Harris said.

Circuit Judge Chet A. Tharpe responded, "Let me stop you right there."

He said Harris, who has been charged with posing as a cop to pull over and rape a 28-year-old woman along Bayshore Boulevard, has been making "baseless" accusations in an attempt to build an appeal case.

He did it with his once-appointed public defenders, Tharpe said, and he was doing it now — to either cause a mistrial or to make it appear that there has been some type of misconduct in the event that he is convicted.

He denied Harris' motion for a mistrial and said he would not appoint an investigator.

He said that if Harris didn't follow the rules, he would terminate his self-representation.

Harris responded, "I'm not a dog that you need to bark orders at."

Following yesterday's unusual cross-examinination of his alleged victim, Harris has questioned Tampa Police officers and a Crisis Center nurse examiner about the alleged victim's behavior and her account of the episode between them, including inconsistenies in her statements about exactly when she was handcuffed.

The nurse examiner said abrasions and lacerations on her intimate areas were consistent with rape.

Harris asked, "People engaged in consensual sex don't get a little rough from time to time?"

At one point, as Harris was cross-examining the case detective, he came dangerously close to "opening the door" to evidence that has been excluded from the trial. Had the detective given an answer, prosecutors would have been able to introduce details of a second crime in which Harris is accused of posing as an undercover narcotics officer, pistol-whipping someone at Pete's Place in South Tampa.

Assistant State Attorney Jennifer Johnson reacted before the detective answered and objected, on the defendant's behalf. She may not do it again.

"You are at your own peril," Tharpe told Harris. "You may get an answer you don't want to hear."
http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/article1145002.ece

BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2011 12:15 pm
@firefly,
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Because someone is found not guilty after a trial does not necessarily mean a rape did not occur. Rape is a difficult crime to successfully prosecute. A not guilty verdict does not mean the allegation was false.


Thank for proving my point that a charge is enough even after being found not guilty to ruin any man life.

By the way in this case it is indeed a very difficult crime to prove when people was going in and out of the bedroom area and saw her on top of him and talking to him and with a person in the bed below.

Or that he was sound asleep before she jump into bed with him for that matter.


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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2011 12:17 pm
@firefly,
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I can only imagine how difficult it must be for this woman to be cross-examined by the man she alleges raped her.


Once more we should just tear up the constitution and send any man directly to prison at the word of any woman.
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