You have taken my opinion seriously for hundreds of pages in this thread and now you claim that I am lunatic who can not be taken seriously
I have taken none of the opinions you have expressed in this thread seriously.
For quite some time I have said you are a deluded paranoid nut.
I repeat what I said before--the internet affords any lunatic the space to post their irrational opinions. That doesn't mean that anyone wants to, or should, take these opinions seriously
Is this your idea of being taken seriously?
HAWKEYE WARNING THE WORLD THAT "FEMINISTS" WANT TO OUTLAW SEX
Then you don't bother to read what is posted. I posted part of the court decision that described, in some detail, what Glenn Marcus did to Jodi--and also noted the fact he kept the money she was making for him
Very common in BDSM, and rarely prosecuted. It is called financial slavery and my sense is that far more guys sign up for this than females. Are we now to criminalize all relationships where they guy make most or all of the money but the gal demands to control the money and puts him on a small allowance?? We could definitely increase the prison population nicely with that move.
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Again, you don't bother to read what is posted. I told you I accepted the definition of consent used by the state of Washington--freely willing, knowing agreement. That is my "position".
No,that is the state of washington's position, it is not yours, and the state of washington's position is vague and in flux so even if you thought that the state of Washington's position agreed with yours you would still need to write a paragraph on what you think the state of washington's position is.
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Do you distinguish between "coercion" and "threat"?
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I ask you, again, what is your definition of consent
and again I explain to you that I have already given you a peak at mine,if you want to see more you need to show me yours.
I have taken none of the opinions you have expressed in this thread seriously.
LOL, your need to respond and counter my claims are here for everyone to see.
And now you claiming that you have never seriously considered the opposing argument, which if true would mean that all this time that you have been claiming to be an expert on such matters you were lying, because the one who is not wanting to know the truth is one who does not know the truth. Now you are claiming to be a feminist hack.
IMHO you are better off going with the truth here, that you do take my position very seriously.
After 365 pages, you still cannot give concise definitions of "consent" and "rape"--that you would like to see replace the definitions currently used by the state of Washington, where you live???
These things do not take paragraphs--let alone 365 pages--state laws define "rape" and "consent" in a sentence or two. You should be able to do the same. Unless you really don't understand the state laws and state definitions you have been attacking for 365 pages.
Your complaints about the current sexual assault/rape laws have been nothing more than a paranoid rant about "feminists" and "anti-sex" policies--which is disconnected from the reality of what the specific laws actually state. That's why you don't want to be pinned down to a discussion of the specific state laws. You just want to ramble on with your various personal grievances toward mythical unnamed "feminists" based on your fears that your BDSM activities might be curtailed.
You actually have nothing to say worth listening to. And that's the real reason that no one but BillRM, another paranoid nut, is taking you seriously. The two of you are grinding your own personal axes, and sharing your own distorted views, and misogyny, and patting each other on the back for doing so.
You actually have nothing to say worth listening to. And that's the real reason that no one but BillRM, another paranoid nut, is taking you seriously
Not only is there no evidence to support this assertion but you seem to be laboring under the false impression that I would care if there was. I do what is right, not what others do. In my real life I am well known for taking up with lost causes, and as I have said before I am very confident that my opinion on sexual regulation will become the majority opinion.
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Thu 13 Jan, 2011 04:26 pm
@hawkeye10,
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IMHO you are better off going with the truth here, that you do take my position very seriously.
Why do I keep hearing this music...
Of course I take your "position" very seriously. It is quite a "position".
Of course I take your "position" very seriously. It is quite a "position".
AREN'T YOU A MATURE ONE! What point are you trying to make? Maybe that women DESERVE to be treated like children because they insist upon acting like children? I might be game for that.
I know you got Intrepid, but I dont think A2K has many of his caliber.
Aw, gee. Don't try to suck up now. Thanks anyhow, but there are many that are much more deserving than I.
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Thu 13 Jan, 2011 05:26 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Of course I take your "position" very seriously. It is quite a "position".
AREN'T YOU A MATURE ONE! What point are you trying to make? Maybe that women DESERVE to be treated like children because they insist upon acting like children? I might be game for that.
Maturity? YOU are determining who is mature?
Your last line indicates just how sick, perverse and deluded you are. Anything to do with children you are are game for. You are one sick SOB.
Yes, unlike you I allow everyone the liberty to make up their own minds, even myself. A crazy concept I know to an authoritarian prude such as yourself, but I cant fix that.
How is that mind probe project coming, you remember, the one that will be used by the government forces to find those who have criminal opinions so that they can be appropriately dealt with by the penal system?? I cant wait for it to become operational.
She claims to have legions of supporters, but I see no evidence for this claim which is consistent with her habit of making claims that are either not supported are else are clear lies. This goes along with her claim that this issue has already been decided, we lost, and she has the police and the law on her side to enable her to force her opinion so we might as well shut up and deal with it.....none of which is true, for while the feminists long ago made up their minds on sex law and stealthy co-oped government the people have never thought much about it nor taken part in debate on it. And contrary to Firefly's opinion the people control the government, not her little band of radical leftists man hating women and their male sympathizers.....We can change course when ever we damn well feel like it.
How is that mind probe project coming, you remember, the one that will be used by the government forces to find those who have criminal opinions so that they can be appropriately dealt with by the penal system?? I cant wait for it to become operational.
Do not forget that anyone within the power of the local Canadian school system are now seemingly being found and punish for the “crime” of bullying if they openly question if a young lady had been rape or not.
You do not need mind probes if you are not allow to communicate your opinions outside your own brainpan.
The whole idea of hate speech and anti-bullying laws is a tool even better then a mind probe.
The whole idea of hate speech and anti-bullying laws is a tool even better then a mind probe
Let's not ignore that they clearly violate the Constitution...I dont think that we are too far away from deciding that the Constitution needs to be defended from Government...and our weak/blundering/corrupt Supreme Court depending upon your point of view.
If there is a showdown over the Constitution we the people will win. There will be no Tiananmen Square here, as we will remake the government to our specifications. We the people control government, not the special interests, when and if we decide to impose our will.
Let's not ignore that they clearly violate the Constitution...
So far, it is my understanding in the US the hate speech rules are being enforced at private universities for the most part, where the government limits on controlling speech does not apply.
As far as anti-bullying laws are concern they are going to try to expand the current laws limiting threatening speech to the limit and far beyond.
A death of freedom by way of a thousand small cuts in other word.
This goes along with her claim that this issue has already been decided, we lost, and she has the police and the law on her side to enable her to force her opinion so we might as well shut up and deal with it.....none of which is true, f
Most of the public are now completely in the dark as to the changes in the sex laws that the likes of Firefly had been able to engineer up to this point during the last few years.
As soon as the public does become aware of those changes all the feminist special interest lobbying in the world will not prevent a return to sanity.
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Thu 13 Jan, 2011 07:11 pm
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So far, it is my understanding in the US the hate speech rules are being enforced at private universities for the most part, where the government limits on controlling speech does not apply.
Public as well...they are adopting the reasoning that was used to support allowing employers to restrict individual freedom, which is that working HERE or going to school HERE is a choice so if you dont like it lump it or go work some other place and go to some other school. The problem is that individuals do need to work, and success at life is greatly increased with a university education, so allowing employees and universities such vast control over the lives of the individuals who take part in them has the practical effect of denying liberty for the citizens of America if very many institutions take part in restricting liberty. The problem is that it almost always turns out to be in these institutions financial best interests to restrict liberty as to no do so increases their liability, this liability being brought on by SCOTUS allowing them to restrict liberty,for since they could have restricted liberty and did not anything bad that happens after that point can be blamed on the employer or university.. So we know which way this goes, over time increasing numbers of institutions will put financial interest above their obligation to promote a free society, and the liberty disappears.
Those of us who were opposed to allowing employers the right to snoop into their employees off the job lives and fire them for behaviour off the job that they do not approve of or on the job but not relevant to job performance warned at the time that this deprivation of freedom would spread like a cancer through American life, and just this is happening. SCOTUS has decided that those who have hands on control of the societal assets can use there power over those assets to deprive all Americans associated with those assets their constitutionally guaranteed liberty. We started down this path a few decades ago, and the intelligent amongst us knew exactly what this mistake would cost us before we got arround to fixing the mistake.
To continue Bill, and this next part you clearly understand but some of the slower A2k'ers like Firefly do not....
The root of the problem with American sex law goes back to the Me Generation assault on the establishment in the late 60's. The American way of life has always been predicated on a few simple ideas, self reliance, optimism, rights which is countered with responsibilities. The ME GENERATION and their descendants want all the rights they can get, increasing amounts of rights, but they neither want to talk about responsibility nor do the work that would engender the carrying out of their responsibilities. This has been at the heart of the decline of America, this self absorption, this decadence, this being allergic to work.
Where this intersects with this thread is that the feminists want to talk about and expand the rights of women in all areas of life, but they dont talk much about nor care about the responsibilities of women, except of course as is pertains to supporting other women and feminism. Furthermore and more Germane to this thread the feminists will talk your arm off about the right of women to not be controlled by men sexually but let some heretic like me or you mention the responsibility women have to speak their minds, to take responsibility for their choices, to be honest in their words, and to resist pity parties and the feminists look at you like they just swallowed a turd. Then they scream and cry abuse.
We need a new kind of feminism, one that stresses personal responsibility and is open to art and sex in all their dark, unconsoling mysteries. ~
Camille Paglia
We could start with a feminism that simply acknowleded that women HAVE personal responsibilities, a feminism that does not always and no matter what the situation take the position that the woman is a victim of men and thus bears no responsibility for what happened.
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Thu 13 Jan, 2011 10:33 pm
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while the feminists long ago made up their minds on sex law and stealthy co-oped government
THE "FEMINISTS" HAVE STEALTHY CO-OPTED GOVERNMENT?
Gee, I didn't know the feminists have co-opted the government of the United States. I guess that makes all those men who control all the legislatures on both the state and federal level, those people who write and pass the laws, mere sock puppets for "the feminists" who really wield all the power. And they are passing secret laws that the public has never heard about--like calling non consexual sexual intercourse "rape". Thank goodness Hawkeye has arrived to warn everyone of this dangerous conspiracy!
POOR PARANOID HAWKEYE--STILL PLAGUED BY HIS DELUSIONAL FEARS OF FEMINISTS
Except now Hawkeye's sounding considerably nuttier because he's also ranting against the Supreme Court, and saying we need a revolution to defend the Constitution from government...and all because he feels his admittedly atypical sexual practices might be threatened by "the feminists who have co-opted the government". If rape is illegal (shudder), what might be made illegal next? Oh, the spector of what these almighty feminists might do next is truly horrifying. Only Hawkeye has seen the light. Everyone else has been duped. Hawkeye knows they are there...the FEMINISTS...and they are controlling EVERYTHING....And he must sound the alarm...
Good grief...Hawkeye and BillRM get crazier with each post. Just when you think they couldn't sound crazier, they knock out another post that tops it. It's almost perversely fascinating to watch. And they think they're making sense. That's how you know they've entered...
