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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 11:03 am
@firefly,
Quote:
The ACLU is challenging the California law that requires police to collect the DNA from all suspected felons. Michael Risher an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union told the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco court that the government should not be allowed to take the “genetic blueprint” of someone who hasn’t been convicted of a crime. One-third of the 300,000 Californians arrested on felony charges each year are never convicted. This does not stop the police from talking their DNA sample.
http://www.dna-testing-paternity.com/forensic-testing/aclu-challenging-california-dna-laws
I believe that Wisconsin also approved this law this year. Let's keep in mind that this banking of DNA was only a decade ago for only those convicted of sex crimes. As always when the state gets power it continues to expand the use of this power until it meets resistance.

Obama, no civil libretarian he, is in favor

Quote:
President Barack Obama’s embrace of a national database to store the DNA of people arrested but not necessarily convicted of a crime is heartening to backers of the policy but disappointing to criminal-justice reformers, who view it as an invasion of privacy.


Others also worry the practice would adversely affect minorities.


In an interview aired Saturday on “America’s Most Wanted,” Obama expressed strong agreement as host John Walsh extolled the virtues of collecting DNA at the time of an arrest and putting it into a single, national database.


“We have 18 states who are taking DNA upon arrest,” Walsh said. “It’s no different than fingerprinting or a booking photo. ... Since those states have been doing it, it has cleared 200 people that are innocent from jail.”


“It’s the right thing to do,” Obama replied. “This is where the national registry becomes so important, because what you have is individual states — they may have a database, but if they’re not sharing it with the state next door, you’ve got a guy from Illinois driving over into Indiana, and they’re not talking to each other.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34097.html

Although I think walsh has the wrong number, that it is really 23

Quote:
Civil liberties advocates and some legislators worry about a "Big Brother" government that collects genetic information from citizens before they are even charged with crimes.

But lawmakers in Illinois and Washington are pushing measures that would mandate the gathering of DNA upon arrest and bulk up the government's central store of DNA profiles, which now stands at nearly 8.9 million, according to an FBI spokeswoman. President Barack Obama has expressed support for testing upon arrest.

"The primary reason that we're putting samples into the database is to see if you committed a crime. If you committed no crime, if you raped no one, having your sample in the database is of no consequence," said Rob Warden, executive director of Northwestern law school's Center on Wrongful Convictions, who also supports post-arrest DNA collection.


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Last month, Illinois became the first state to require the testing of all DNA evidence gathered from reported sex crimes. The law was approved after a Tribune review last year found an ongoing backlog of unexamined DNA, going back for years, at the state crime lab. While the backlog has since been reduced, critics say unexamined DNA has hampered investigations and prosecutions.

Virginia's post-arrest collection law guaranteed DNA would be taken and added to the national database, Warden said. The man arrested in Virginia has been identified by a relative as Jorge Torrez, 21, a former Zion resident being held in the Arlington, Va., jail without bond.

Torrez, who has not been charged in the Zion killings, was arrested in February and later charged with two attacks on women in Arlington, Va. One attack involved the alleged abduction and repeated rape of a 23-year-old woman, according to Virginia authorities.

Virginia is one of 23 states that automatically test people upon arrest on suspicion of certain crimes, said Rich Williams, of the National Conference of State Legislatures. Virginia police test upon arrest for any "violent felony," under state law.

In Illinois, law enforcement officials are required to take DNA profiles from people convicted of felonies but not from those who have only been arrested. While DNA is not automatically collected upon arrest, a judge can sign a warrant ordering a suspect to provide a DNA sample during an investigation or prosecution, said Capt. Scott Compton of the Illinois State Police
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-08-03/news/ct-met-hobbs-dna-test-on-arrest-20100803_1_hobbs-dna-hobbs-case-dna-samples/2
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 11:19 am
@hawkeye10,
I REPEAT...
NO STATE COLLECTS DNA ON EVERYONE WHO IS ARRESTED--AS YOU CLAIMED WAS CURRENT POLICY. YOU ARE A DELUDED PARANOID. OR A FLAT OUT LIAR. TAKE YOUR PICK.

DON'T TRY TO WEASEL OUT OF YOUR STATEMENTS.

YOU HAVE ENOUGH EGG ON YOUR FACE RIGHT NOW TO MAKE OMLETTES FOR ALL OF A2K
. Laughing
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 11:27 am
@firefly,
Quote:
DON'T TRY TO WEASEL OUT OF YOUR STATEMENTS.


My lord considering your behaviors and your lies on this thread you have big big big big balls.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 11:32 am
@firefly,
Quote:
NO STATE COLLECTS DNA ON EVERYONE WHO IS ARRESTED--AS YOU CLAIMED WAS CURRENT POLICY. YOU ARE A DELUDED PARANOID. OR A FLAT OUT LIAR. TAKE YOUR PICK.

At least one and i think two states do collect DNA from everyone arrested for a felony of any type, the taking of DNA from those arrested has expanded rapidly in recent years, is supported by Obama and COngress and most of the judges, and this trend to take DNA from more and more people will not stop until either the courts or the citizens stop it. Just as we decided to change the definition of consent and then over a period years rewrote the status to the new definition we have decided to put all felony arrestees into the national DNA data-bank, and are rapidly moving to make it so. It is already decided, it is the new policy, it just is not fully implemented yet.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 11:33 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
you have big big big big balls

Stop being so jealous.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 11:37 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
At least one and i think two states do collect DNA from everyone arrested for a felony of any type


YOUR CLAIM WAS THAT DNA IS CURRENTLY TAKEN FROM EVERYONE WHO IS ARRESTED
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 11:39 am
@hawkeye10,
http://topnews.us/content/220465-babies-blood-samples-used-create-dna-database


After obtaining the proper consent of the parents of millions of newborn babies, hospitals have stored their DNA, taking blood samples in heel-prick tests to screen for serious conditions, and which held for years by some hospitals, can subsequently be accessed by the police to identify involvement in crimes.

The fact that coroners and medical researchers will be allowed to use the samples for a variety of purposes, has raised concerns over the backdoor creation of a national DNA database. Babies, barely five to eight days old have blood spot screening carried out, in order to test for a variety of serious conditions like sickle cell, cystic fibrosis and a genetic disorder called phenylketonuria.

While, hospitals as per government guidelines have been advised to store samples for 5-years before destroying them, some are retaining them, indefinitely.

Campaigners say, while mothers of newborn babies are informed about the storing of their infant's DNA, they are not told for how long for, nor about their being used for medical research or police inquiries.

Details obtained through Freedom of Information requests reveal, four centres are storing four million samples of babies' blood, including Central Manchester University Hospitals Trust (1.25 million), Cambridge University Hospitals Trust (over 400,000), Great Ormond Street Hospital, London (120,000) and Liverpool's Alder Hey hospital (145,000). While, hospitals like Alder Hey in Liverpool destroy all samples after the recommended five years, others such as Central Manchester University Hospital's Trust plans to store them indefinitely.

London's Great Ormond Street hospital began storing samples in 1990 and preserves them for at least 20-years.

If, the police needs to access an individual sample, a court order will have to be obtained.

Andrew Lansley, the new Secretary of State for Health has been urged to launch an urgent inquiry into the sinister example of Britain's slide into a Big Brother society.

The Government has promised to introduce a Freedom Bill that will be outlined in the Queen's Speech tomorrow, and among some of its measures is the scrapping of universal DNA databases.






http://topnews.us/content/220465-babies-blood-samples-used-create-dna-database


BUSH AND LAWMAKERS SNEAK A NATIONAL DNA DATABANK INTO EXISTENCE



By NWV News Director, Jim Kouri
Posted 1:00 AM Eastern
December 22, 2008
© NewsWithViews.com

While most Americans were bombarded with news coverage regarding the presidential race without end, President George W. Bush almost silently signed a senate bill that would change America forever.

S.1858 allows the federal government to screen the DNA of all newborn babies in the United States. According to the legislation, the new law must be implemented within 6 months of Bush's bill signing in April 2008.

According to police experts, this infant DNA collection is now being carried out by individual states and sample DNA is being submitted to the feds. Congressman Ron Paul states that this bill is the first step towards the establishment of a national DNA database.

The rational for the Newborn Screening Saves Lives Act of 2007 is that it represents preparation for any kind of natural or man-made emergency or disaster. The bill states that the federal government should "continue to carry out, coordinate, and expand research in newborn screening" and "maintain a central clearinghouse of current information on newborn screening... ensuring that the clearinghouse is available on the Internet and is updated at least quarterly." Sections of the bill also make it clear that DNA may be used in laboratory experiments and tests.

DNA, or deoxyribonucleic acid, is the hereditary material in humans and almost all other organisms. Nearly every cell in a person’s body has the same DNA. Most DNA is located in the cell nucleus (where it is called nuclear DNA), but a small amount of DNA can also be found in the mitochondria (where it is called or mtDNA).

The information in DNA is stored as a code made up of four chemical bases: adenine (A), guanine (G), cytosine (C), and thymine (T). Human DNA consists of about 3 billion bases, and more than 99 percent of those bases are the same in all people. The order, or sequence, of these bases determines the information available for building and maintaining an organism, similar to the way in which letters of the alphabet appear in a certain order to form words and sentences.

DNA bases pair up with each other, A with T and C with G, to form units called base pairs. Each base is also attached to a sugar molecule and a phosphate molecule. Together, a base, sugar, and phosphate are called a nucleotide. Nucleotides are arranged in two long strands that form a spiral called a double helix. The structure of the double helix is somewhat like a ladder, with the base pairs forming the ladder’s rungs and the sugar and phosphate molecules forming the vertical sidepieces of the ladder.


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An important property of DNA is that it can replicate, or make copies of itself. Each strand of DNA in the double helix can serve as a pattern for duplicating the sequence of bases. This is critical when cells divide because each new cell needs to have an exact copy of the DNA present in the old cell.

The New York State DNA Databank became operational with the first "hit" linking a convicted criminal with DNA evidence from a crime scene. The Databank is part of a national system called CODIS, a searchable software program with three hierarchical tiers of the DNA Index System (DIS) -- local (LDIS), state (SDIS), and national (NDIS).

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) serves as the NDIS connection and links New York State with other participating states. This tiered approach allows individual state and local agencies to operate their respective DNA databases according to applicable state law and local policy.

In New York State there are eight LDIS DNA laboratories. The State Police Forensic Investigation Center (FIC) in Albany serves as a LDIS site for forensic casework performed at the FIC and as the SDIS laboratory for New York State. All LDIS laboratories maintain a Forensic Index which is comprised of DNA profiles from crime scene evidence submitted by the agencies they serve.

These profiles are routinely compared in order to identify and link criminal incidents that may involve the same perpetrator. The SDIS database at the State Police FIC contains forensic DNA profiles uploaded by each of the LDIS laboratories and enables inter-comparisons of crime scene evidence DNA profiles among the participating LDIS laboratories in New York State and across the country.

According to a statement released by Texas Congressman Ron Paul, "S. 1858 gives the federal bureaucracy the authority to develop a model newborn screening program. [T]he federal government lacks both the constitutional authority and the competence to develop a newborn screening program adequate for a nation as large and diverse as the United States. ?"

There are also many law-enforcement officials who are uneasy with this centralized databank especially since a newborn has not committed any crime that warrants its DNA sample to be stored by the government.

"It's one thing for a state such as New York or Oregon to store the DNA of a convicted felon, but it's entirely inappropriate for the feds to collect DNA from someone who's never committed a crime," said a former New York City detective, Sidney Frances.



"I believe the framers of the US Constitution did not intend innocent babies to be treated the same way we treat convicted rapists and killers," the decorated detective added.

"Even if it's granted the DNA will be used to help protect children and adults during a medical emergency or disaster, there is no assurance that future administrations won't allow the stored DNA samples to be used with more sinister goals," said another veteran cop in New York.

firefly
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 11:41 am
@BillRM,
Does that post have a point? What is your purpose in posting that article? Are newborns being arrested? Drunk
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 11:44 am
@firefly,
Just that we are going to have every person in the country sooner or later in a DNA database from birth it is just a matter of time.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 11:48 am
@BillRM,
And, of course, you thought that totally irrelevant article would help to bail out Hawkeye from his lie.Laughing

You are such a good little lapdog to him.

Bet you're jealous of his balls too. Laughing
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 11:51 am
@firefly,
You are a nut indeed.....................

Given that you been found out more then once in lies you do have big big big balls.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 11:51 am
@BillRM,
the goal was clearly to get the samples of newborns collected and then at some future date come up with an excuse for making it search able by law enforcement, then between the samples collected by law enforcement and the samples from all those under the age of how ever many years the baby samples have been taken we would have the DNA of much or most of the nation ready to go. Because this stuff is computerized it will never go away, even if the courts should order it to be deleted.

I thought that we fixed the baby DNA taking though, got the law reversed or got the hospitals to refuse to comply, but now I am not sure.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 11:56 am
@hawkeye10,
Blah, blah, blah...

You're still sitting there with egg on your face. Laughing
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 11:58 am
@firefly,
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And, of course, you thought that totally irrelevant article would help to bail out Hawkeye from his lie.

I was right, though I could have worded it more precisely, and you are grasping at straws....like the idiot student who has no grasp of the subject matter and so compensates by raising his hand and playing Gotcha when the professor mis-writes something on the whiteboard.

Really Firefly...is this the best you can do?
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 12:01 pm
@hawkeye10,
I wonder if she ever think how this silly behaviors is going to reflect on her for anyone reading this thread?

It sure not doing her positions any good thank god.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 12:08 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
I was right, though I could have worded it more precisely,


NO--YOU WERE DEAD WRONG. EVERYONE WHO IS ARRESTED DOES NOT HAVE DNA TAKEN AND ENTERED INTO A DATA BANK.

AND, IF YOU BELIEVE YOU WERE RIGHT, YOU REALLY ARE CRAZY
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2011 03:12 am
@hawkeye10,
For Bill

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Race still matters in America, and justice is not completely blind. Anyone who believes otherwise should examine the case of Cornelius Dupree Jr., who was ruled innocent Tuesday after spending 30 years in prison - almost his entire adult life - for a brutal carjacking and rape that he did not commit.

Dupree is just the latest of 21 inmates from the Dallas area, almost all of them black, who have been exonerated since a 2001 Texas law permitted DNA testing of the evidence against them. At least another 20 convicts from other parts of the state have similarly been cleared of their crimes. Imagine the wrongs that could be righted if every state had a law like the one in Texas - and if every jurisdiction saved years-old evidence the way Dallas does.

If you don't believe me, listen to Craig Watkins, the Dallas County district attorney who is waging a systematic crusade to uncover and redress these miscarriages of justice. Elected in 2006, Watkins is the first Democrat since 1986 - and the first African American ever - to hold the job. Last year, amid the Republican wave, he somehow managed to get reelected.

Of the inmates exonerated thus far, "we've had maybe three white guys," Watkins told me in a telephone interview. "All the rest are black, and all of them were wrongfully identified at trial. Eyewitness identification, on its own, is flawed. And then there's prosecutorial misconduct. You've got to talk about that, too."

Keep in mind that these are innocent men. It's not that re-examining the evidence has raised "reasonable doubt" about their convictions, and it's not that they are being freed on some technicality. According to the DNA, there's no doubt at all: They didn't do it.

Most of the Texas cases involve violent crimes that include sexual assault - which means that the perpetrators left DNA behind.


The assault for which Dupree was convicted took place on Nov. 23, 1979. A young couple had stopped at a liquor store to buy cigarettes and use a pay phone. Two armed men commandeered the couple's car, kicked the man out, raped the woman and drove away. A week later, Dupree and another man, Anthony Massingill, were arrested not far from the crime scene; officers said they resembled two men who were being sought for a similar crime.

The rape victim identified Dupree and Massingill in a photo lineup, although her companion was unable to identify either man. At trial, both victims identified Dupree as one of the assailants
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/06/AR2011010604383.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Eye Witness testimony is unreliable, especially when strong emotions are involved. Hanging men on rape on the say so of only the woman is a recipe for injustice.
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2011 11:03 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:

Hanging men on rape on the say so of only the woman is a recipe for injustice


Right. That's really logical, Hawkeye. Why even bother asking the victim what happened to them? We should only take the defendant's word for what occurred.

You've denied rapes that have been captured on videos. Rolling Eyes

Good thing we now also use DNA to nail those rapists.

Too bad you think it's a waste of time and money to get rid of the backlog of rape kits to be tested. The DNA in those kits might help to free other innocent men.





firefly
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2011 11:55 am
In this case, DNA from a rape scene helped an innocent man to be exonerated, and it pointed to the guilty party--who raped a 94 year old woman.
Quote:
Man gets 17 years for raping and beating 94-year-old Palo Alto woman
By Jesse Dungan
Daily News Staff Writer
01/07/2011

A man was sentenced Thursday to 17 years in state prison for raping and beating a 94-year-old woman at the Palo Alto Commons nursing home eight years ago, his attorney said.

Roberto Recendes, 43, pleaded guilty in October to one count of sexual penetration by force, one count of elder abuse and to a penalty enhancement for inflicting great bodily injury. As part of a plea deal with prosecutors, penalty enhancements that could have brought a sentence of 25 years to life because he raped the woman during a burglary were dropped.

"I thought it was a fair resolution for Mr. Recendes and the prosecutor," said Deputy Public Defender Carl Beatty, who defended Recendes.

Recendes was linked to the crime by a DNA sample taken from him following a domestic violence conviction in Sunnyvale in 2004. Two years later, authorities matched the DNA to that taken at the rape scene.

Recendes was deported to Mexico after the domestic violence conviction and brought back to the United States in 2008.

In addition to the 17-year sentence, Recendes was ordered to pay $6,800 to a state restitution fund.

The rape case made national news in 2002 because Palo Alto police initially managed to get a confession out of an 18-year-old Gunn High School graduate. The teen was exonerated by DNA evidence after spending about three weeks in jail.

The victim died in 2006.
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_17032182?nclick_check=1

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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2011 12:04 pm
Sometimes it might not even be safe for a woman to get into a cab...It seems to me this man should face more than 8 years in prison if he is convicted.
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Cabbie accused of rape may have more victims
January 05, 2011

SANTA ANA, Calif. (KABC) -- Orange County authorities say a cab driver faces charges for raping a customer after knocking her unconscious, and there is concern there may be other victims.

Orlando Bruce Bosley, a 57-year-old man from Westminster, has been charged with rape for sexually assaulting a female passenger.

"Based on the really brazen nature of this crime, we're concerned that there could be other victims. And we would encourage them to come forward to law enforcement," said Farrah Imami, a spokeswoman for the Orange County District Attorney's Office.

The victim, a 45-year-old woman, had called for a cab after having drinks in Sunset Beach on July 6, 2010. While driving the woman to her mother's Seal Beach home, Bosley allegedly punched the victim in the face, dragged her inside the home and raped her.

Police say the victim went in and out of consciousness during the assault.

Bosley was released from custody after posting $100,000 bail, and he is still driving a cab.

Bosley is due back in court on Jan. 18. If convicted, he faces eight years in state prison.

Police are concerned it may have happened before. Anyone with information related to the incident was urged to call the Orange County District Attorney's Office at (714) 347-8794.
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/orange_county&id=7880561

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