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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 06:30 pm
@Arella Mae,
Arella Mae, Hawkeye isn't a freak, he's delusional. His sexual preferences are the least of his problems. The man is seriously out of touch with reality.

He's still mentioning feminists, or "rape feminists" in every single post, despite the fact that there are no feminists posting in this thread. No feminist ideology has been expressed in this thread by either of us. He's arguing with phantoms again. And the man can't identify a single "rape feminist", not a single one, after hundreds of pages of ranting about them. Perhaps he sees little blue Martians running around too, trying to zap his "manly essence".Laughing

That he has to resort to phantom adversaries in order to feel he is "winning" some sort of debate, is rather pathetic. That he has to distort our posts, in order to claim we are "rape feminists" just shows how deluded and desperate he is. It's the same way he distorts Zen in order to make a claim that it is compatible with his sexually aberrant activities. He distorts everything because he can't deal with objective reality--he constructs his own reality, which is what mental illness is all about. The objectivity reality is that there are NO "rape feminists" posting in this thread. And he hasn't been able to even identify any of the so-called "rape feminists" he so fears in the real world. He just knows they are there. Perhaps the voices in his head tell him that. Laughing

He can't even fathom that some of us are able to discuss a topic objectively. That's why I must be a lesbian, or a dyke lesbian, or asexual, or man hating, or maybe even transgendered, or a man (BillRM did say I have "big balls " Laughing). Because I can discuss a topic without subjective reference to my own life, I must be suspect in his book. He can't even imagine what it is like to be objective.

So, delusional Hawkeye sits in his tin foil hat, broadcasting to the world his views about the alleged "rape feminist" conspiracy that he thinks is plotting to squelch his BDSM scene. He's simply another garden variety whacko paranoid with delusions of grandeur and superiority. The man is as nutty as a fruitcake. Laughing

HAWKEYE BROADCASTING HIS WARNING ABOUT THE RAPE FEMINISTS TO THE WORLD Laughing
http://www.tfhp.org/images/tinfoil-hat.jpg

Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 06:32 pm
@firefly,
You really should not insult fruitcakes like that. Razz
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 07:01 pm
@Arella Mae,
Laughing And I like fruitcake. Laughing

BTW, Arella Mae, what did you think of the last article I posted--about the woman who was raped when she was in college and, over 20 years later, suddenly received a confession and letter of apology from one of the men who raped her. What a bolt out of the blue that must have been for her to suddenly have contact with this man again. It must have arroused so many emotions for her. I wonder what exactly made her decide, six months later, to have him prosecuted for her rape.

The person who wrote the article deliberately mentioned the name of the rapist. And I agree with her doing that. There is no reason to protect the identity of a rapist, even though the crime was committed over two decades ago. The effects of that crime were still with the victim--and she still wanted him prosecuted.

But, the story really has a less than satisfactory outcome. The rapist could have faced life in prison if he had been convicted at the time of the crime. But, 20 odd years later, he entered into a plea deal for only 18 months. And then he was released after only 6 months!

This is a news story from the time of his release.
Quote:
Virginia Man Jailed After Apologizing for 1984 Rape Paroled
Thursday , August 09, 2007
RICHMOND, Va. —

A man who confessed to raping a woman as he apologized two decades later as part of the Alcoholics Anonymous program is scheduled to be released from jail after serving six months of an 18-month sentence, officials said Wednesday.

William Beebe, 42, pleaded guilty in November to one count of aggravated sexual battery for his attack on Liz Seccuro while at the University of Virginia. In March, a judge ordered a 10-year prison sentence with all but 18 months suspended.

Seccuro was shocked when informed Tuesday by Beebe's parole officer of his impending release. She said she was never given the opportunity to speak to the parole board.

"Everywhere in America I've seen, the victim has a say," Seccuro said. "And that's the problem — rape victims are voiceless."

Virginia abolished parole for all crimes committed after 1994, but because the crime occurred a decade earlier, Beebe is a candidate for early release. He has a projected release date of Sept. 17.

"He only got 18 months on a plea deal, so according to the time that was computed under the old system, this is when he was eligible to be released," said Barbara Woodhouse, Department of Corrections spokeswoman.

His parole officer declined to comment Wednesday, and a message left for a representative of the parole board was not immediately returned.

"If Virginia is so very proud of the fact that there is no statute of limitations on rape, then the sentencing has to follow suit," Seccuro said. "All I ever wanted was for the people who were responsible to be held accountable — but to be held accountable properly. And I don't think this is proper."

Prosecutor Dave Chapman said that although he knew Beebe would be eligible for parole, a release date after just six months is surprising.

"It is an excellent illustration of why the abolition of parole was appropriate, advisable and sensible," Chapman said.

The case was revived in 2005 after Beebe, of Las Vegas, wrote Seccuro a letter of apology in an attempt to atone for the 1984 fraternity party assault as part of the Alcoholics Anonymous 12-step recovery program.

The program's ninth step calls on alcoholics to make amends to those they have harmed — unless doing so would cause further injury. In an exchange of e-mails that ensued, Beebe wrote: "I want to make clear that I'm not intentionally minimizing the fact of having raped you. I did."

Seccuro, 40, of Greenwich, Conn., eventually called Charlottesville police to report what had happened. There is no statute of limitations on felonies in Virginia.

Beebe had originally been charged with rape and object sexual penetration and could have received life in prison. But in November, he entered into a plea agreement with prosecutors and pleaded guilty to a lesser charge after investigators uncovered information suggesting Seccuro was attacked by more than one person that night.

Seccuro was given a drink at the party that made her feel strange, and she later passed out, leaving her memory hazy. She said she vividly recalls being attacked by Beebe, but always had a vague impression she'd been assaulted by additional members of the fraternity.

Authorities had hoped Beebe could assist them in their investigation, but prosecutors said he gave them no helpful information. Last month, officials told The Associated Press they had exhausted all leads, and the case has stalled.

Seccuro went public with her name and story, hoping to lead other sexual assault survivors to seek help. She launched STARS — Sisters Together Assisting Rape Survivors — to raise money for rape victims and their families.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292672,00.html


Well, at least William Nottingham Beebe will have to live with the fact that his crime, and his name, have been made public.
He even has his own Wikipedia page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Nottingham_Beebe

And his picture and profile is on the list of sex offenders living in the Richmond, Virginia area.
http://www.homefacts.com/offenders/Virginia/Richmond-city-County/Richmond-16.html


hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 07:21 pm
@firefly,
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The person who wrote the article deliberately mentioned the name of the rapist. And I agree with her doing that. There is no reason to protect the identity of a rapist, even though the crime was committed over two decades ago. The effects of that crime were still with the victim--and she still wanted him prosecuted
That will certainly help prevent men from being stupid in the future. Let us all be very clear that neither the law nor the rape feminists are predisposed to look favorably upon contrition. Ya gotta wonder where the humanity is with these women but that is another kettle of fish...
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 07:26 pm
@firefly,
I cannot imagine how that woman felt. It must have been one of the most shocking things happening to her since her rape. I agree with her prosecuting him though. Like I said, there are times it is essential to the safety of the public to put names and descriptions out there. I forgive you about the fruitcake remark. heehee
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 07:27 pm
A BDSM pervert asking where is someone's humanity? Oh Lord, this just gets funnier and funnier!
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 07:31 pm
@hawkeye10,
You can't make a post without reference to the "rape feminists". Laughing You are really seriously whacked out. Laughing

THE MAN WAS AN ADMITTED RAPIST. HE BELONGED IN JAIL. HE BELONGS ON A SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY.

The law does not excuse felonies--including the crime of rape--because the perpetrator is "contrite". What's next, let someone get off for murder because they say, "I'm sorry"?

You really need to see a shrink about your obsession with "rape feminists".

HAWKEYE'S LAMENT Laughing
http://feminocracy.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/feminist.jpg?w=388&h=288

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 07:34 pm
@firefly,
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Prosecutor Claude Worrell described Beebe's decision to apologize as selfish, and said it traumatized Seccuro all over again. Defense attorney Rhonda Quagliana responded that it was "sad and tragic" that Beebe's apology was depicted that way, and said Seccuro made a choice to respond to his letter
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-03-15-UVA-sex-attack_N.htm

WOW, I am sure that the AA people were scratching their heads over that assertion, as it is darn nutty. It appears to me that we had yet other case of a rouge prosecutor making a hash out of justice.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 07:36 pm
@Arella Mae,
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A BDSM pervert asking where is someone's humanity? Oh Lord, this just gets funnier and funnier!


Where is Hawkeye's humanity for the victim of the rape?

Both twits are bleeding hearts for rapists.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 07:37 pm
@firefly,
Didn't you read what I posted about the BDSM lifestyle? Do you seriously think Bateye is going to listen to any reason? Look at what he subjects his wife to. Why on earth would he give a toot about anyone else? The person he is supposed to love is treated like a nasty slut to be had by a myriad of perverts. eeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 07:42 pm
@Arella Mae,
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A real man cherishes and protects his wife. He doesn't pass her around like a piece of meat!


All religion nuts seem to think that they are given the power by god to define what is moral or not in other people personal lives especially when it come to other people sex lives.

As everyone can read AM is no exception to this rule.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 07:45 pm
@firefly,
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Where is Hawkeye's humanity for the victim of the rape?

I dont have a high opinion of the humanity level of humans who respond to acts of contrition with vengeance...What I see of her makes me sad, as she appears to be a person who never got very far in her healing, and now almost certainly will never get very far.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 07:45 pm
Ah so the attacks begin! I guess I hit a nerve. One doesn't have to be religious to know that treating your wife like a nasty slut and letting her be had by any tom, dick, harry, or bill is disgusting.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 07:49 pm
@firefly,
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I wonder what exactly made her decide, six months later, to have him prosecuted for her rape.


VENGEANCE
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 07:55 pm
@Arella Mae,
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One doesn't have to be religious to know that treating your wife like a nasty slut and letting her be had by any tom, dick, harry, or bill is disgusting.
She has responded very well to our lifestyle, so according to my beliefs I have fulfilled my responsibilities as a husband to encourage her and to try to get her what she wants/needs.

But you will never understood, as you dont want to allow people to have the keys to their own life if they want stuff that you dont approve of.

But I am the uncivilized one according to you!!...your blind spots are ginormous.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 07:55 pm
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I wonder what exactly made her decide, six months later, to have him prosecuted for her rape.


What do you suppose the gruesome twosome would call it if you changed the word rape to murder? Oh and to head them off at the pass, of course she, herself, couldn't have her murderer prosecuted but people with common sense would understand that.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 07:56 pm
@BillRM,
Oh, you pass judgment on people's sex lives all the time.

In that current rape case in the Bahamas, involving the college baseball star, you described the males involved as just some college guys looking to have a good time, but you said the two high school seniors they are accused of raping were "acting like whores". What a double standard you have! And boy do you pass moral judgments on people's behavior, particularly the behavior of females, when it suits you.

What a hypocrite you are!

At least Arella Mae isn't a hypocrite. She's entitled to her values, which seem a lot more consistent than yours are.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 08:02 pm
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Why go after Assange and give Kobe a free pass?
Is who they are more important than what they may have done to women?
By WENDY MURPHY
GateHouse News Service
Posted Jan 02, 2011

COMMENTARY — Whatever you think about WikiLeaks oddball Julian Assange, it’s wrong that he’s under investigation for sex crimes in Sweden. Not because what he’s accused of aren’t “real” crimes, as some have argued, but simply because it’s just as wrong to prosecute Assange as it was wrong not to prosecute Kobe Bryant.

Put another way, it’s about time we prosecuted offenders based on the harm done to women’s bodies, regardless of whether the prosecution might be good or bad for business (or politics or sports, etc.).

Rape law will never protect all women so long as it works better or worse based on who the man is – rather than what he did.

The allegations themselves, assuming they’re true, seem appropriate enough for prosecution. The two women involved described behavior that, while not the most serious of sexual offenses, still constitutes criminal activity in most countries – including the United States. One said she was asleep when the assault occurred. If a person is asleep they can’t give “knowing, intelligent and voluntary” consent and it’s a crime to touch them.

The other woman said she agreed to start a certain activity with Assange, but that he didn’t stop when she told him to. Again, the law in most jurisdictions provides that even after consent is given, if one person changes their mind it’s a crime for the other one to continue.

It might be hard to stop once the proverbial train is out of the station, but too bad. You can be angry but you can’t keep going.

Seems unfair but think about it this way. If I invite you into my home for one hour, and a half hour later I change my mind and ask you to leave, you gotta go – because it’s my house! And if it’s my body – you should go sooner because bodies are more important than houses.

For these reasons, Assange can be prosecuted simply because he violated two women’s fundamental right to personal autonomy and bodily integrity.

But just because charges are viable doesn’t mean we should ignore the fact that they appear designed to advance an unrelated political agenda, namely, punishing the guy for leaking sensitive government files.

It’s hardly a coincidence that Swedish authorities declined to prosecute when the charges were first reported last summer – and only went wild looking for the guy all over the planet after the big WikiLeaks moment last month.

In short, if Assange were any other guy, he would not be under investigation for sexual assault.

When prosecutors use the public’s money to pursue a sexual assault case as a pretext for some other agenda, people become cynical and mistrustful of the rule of law. And worse, it makes all rape laws seem trite; designed not to compel respect for women’s bodily integrity but rather to facilitate punishment for unrelated reasons.

In another context, I might support the charges simply to get the message out that rape law in this country routinely fails to protect women’s personal autonomy. For example, in almost every state, rape requires proof not only of nonconsent but also “force.” This makes no sense. If you take my stuff without my consent, it’s called larceny. If you also use force, it’s called robbery. But if you take my bodily integrity without my consent, it’s not a crime at all, unless you also use force.

Aren’t women more valuable than stuff?

In another context, I would fight hard to persuade the Swedes to prosecute Julian Assange simply because women’s bodily integrity matters. But flexing that muscle in this case will do nothing to promote the value of bodily integrity.

In another context, I would relish the opportunity to use this case as a teachable moment – to explain why the things Julian Assange is accused of are serious offenses even though the women consented to some of his actions.

In this context, I’m hoping Assange isn’t prosecuted. The fact that two women in Sweden might achieve justice is not worth the harm that all women suffer when the value of bodily integrity is measured by the political benefits of prosecuting the man who took it.

Wendy Murphy is a leading victims rights advocate and nationally recognized television legal analyst. She is an adjunct professor at New England Law in Boston.

http://www.patriotledger.com/opinions/opinions_columnists/x1442458465/WENDY-MURPHY-Why-go-after-Assange-and-give-Kobe-a-free-pass
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 08:02 pm
@firefly,
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THE MAN WAS AN ADMITTED RAPIST. HE BELONGED IN JAIL. HE BELONGS ON A SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY.


Twenty years after the facts with no known repeat behaviors?

Seem like one hell of a waste of resources for little gain.

Hell a man as a young teenager 60 plus years ago kill the first black police officer in Miami from ambush but never afterward broke any laws and live a good and useful life and raised a family in New York.

In the end, he was not prosecuted for his crime and allows to return to NY to live out his remaining time on earth.

Sometime both mercy and common sense need to be apply.



BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jan, 2011 08:05 pm
@Arella Mae,
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Oh and to head them off at the pass, of course she, herself, couldn't have her murderer prosecuted but people with common sense would understand that.


Sorry see my posting concerning the murder of a police officer.
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