Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@firefly,

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Well, if you, or your partner, doesn't have a say in what happens, then consent is being ignored

OMG, Firefly is making a slight definition for consent!

No, even legal definitions do not demand that all consenting parties have a say in what is done

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Voluntary Acquiescence to the proposal of another; the act or result of reaching an accord; a concurrence of minds; actual willingness that an act or an infringement of an interest shall occur.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/consent

And when we stay married with full knowledge of the terms demanded by our mate we have then voluntarily acquiesced to the demands of our mate and are in a consensual relationship. This certainly can feel like pressure and the rape feminists will have none of it as in their minds (and yours apparently) a woman is only in a consensual relationship if she has full ability to impart what ever control upon it she wishes, but in all levels of relationship it is not uncommon for the consent to revolve around only the agree/leave decision.

EDIT: there is someplace about 10-15 pages back guidance handed out to college kids that flat out states that putting an agree/leave choice upon others is unequivocal emotional abuse, which is of course bullshit. And making people feel bad about doing what is always done and always will be done regardless of how the feminists might rewrite consent in the law in the future is not very nice.

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Ah I can see the excuses for championing the DOJ statistics they have posted are starting already. In going back over this thread, I'm on page 33, I have noticed just how often the gruesome twosome called firefly a bull dyke, asked her if she was gay, accused her of being a lesbian, etc. Hmmmm, why would they do that considering they think someone's sexual preferences, whatever they are, are okay? We all know why. It is because they hate women. Just more of their hypocrisy from their own mouths. When I pointed out their retorts for truth being shown to them were insulting and calling others names, one of them posts OMG! I CALLED SOMEONE GAY! in the most sarcastic of remarks.

How odd. They tried to humiliate you with such allegations but find nothing wrong with homosexuality?

I am still searching for their DOJ suck ups but it might take awhile. It's kind of good going over this again because, firefly, I had to laugh. Bill posting to you that you had until tomorrow morning to post something or we'd all know you were a liar.

I didn't need anytime at all to know he was a liar. LMBO!!!!!!!!!!!

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@Arella Mae,

Are you feeling ok AM?

It not the end of the world for Firefly to had been found out to had been dishonest after all.

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DUH! If both parties aren't involved in a SAY SO of what is going on there is no consent. How stupid one be? Oh wait, what am I thinking? Rolling Eyes

I can tell myself all day long, "go ahead, rob the bank" but it is not consent to rob the bank. Saying to one's perverted self "I can have sex with her no matter what she says" is not consent.

The very definition of consent expressly defines there is more than one person involved:

con·sent (kn-snt) KEY

intr.v.
con·sent·ed, con·sent·ing, con·sents

To give assent, as to the proposal of another; agree.

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@Arella Mae,

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If both parties aren't involved in a SAY SO of what is going on there is no consent.

Right, that is how the feminist want to redefine consent in relationship. For now consent means that each agree to the terms, not that each has a say in the terms, but the feminists are hard at work invalidating all consent where terms were not mutually proposed and where in their opinion the terms are not mutually beneficial the grounds of coercion.

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@Arella Mae,

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someone's sexual preferences, whatever they are, are okay? We all know why. It is because they hate women

Firefly sexual preferences is of interest on this thread given the subject and outlook she is promoting on this thread for thousands of posts. Knowing her background would be of aid to understanding her outlooks.

AM both Hawkeye I are happily married men who marriages we both freely had posted about Firefly is.................???????

Given her fear and hates of men, I for one cannot see her having any normal sexual relationship with any man.

Therefore, she is either likely a lesbian or asexual by applying logic to the matter.

My vote is for asexual, as she had posted that she is not a lesbian and I am once more assuming perhaps unwisely that she is being honest.

One can only wonder where this fear/hate came from of men as she had also posted she had never been a rape victim.

By the way AM how do you get away with questioning Hawkeye and my interest in Firefly sexuality given your name calling and looking down on Hawkeye sex life?

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@BillRM,

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Firefly sexual preferences is of interest on this thread given the subject and outlook she is promoting on this thread for thousands of posts.

It does matter here because if she is a dyke as she reads to me as this is relevant to her authority to speak and motivation to speak. Not only does this likely mean that she does not have the life experience to talk about male/female intimate relationship with any authority but we have every reason to wonder about how hospitable she is to hetro's is general and hetro men in particular. I have too much experience with man hating dykes in real life to be willing to assume without reassurance that a particular dyke does not hate men categorically and regardless of male behaviour.

I dont think that Firefly could reassure me at this point, as she has been far to dishonest in this thread for me to believe anything she says.

EDIT: Bill, I am not sure about the asexual take...while it is true that she does not deviate from the rape feminist talking points and thus shows no understanding of sexual intimacy I also see that she is highly disciplined and very dishonest. I am thinking that like any salesman she only speaks what she thinks is in the best interest ....which is her interest of selling what she has to sell.

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@hawkeye10,

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I have too much experience with man hating dykes in real life to be willing to assume without reassurance that a particular dyke does not hate men categorically and regardless of male behaviour.

Hawkeye for the most part the lesbians I had known had not been all that unfriendly to men.

Firefly is many SDs from the norm even if she is a lesbian.

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When one is engaged in a discussion, whatever information they CHOOSE to reveal about themselves, is open for comment from the person they are having the discussion with. To believe that everyone is going to approve of what one does is totally out of touch with reality.

I don't have to like any person. I don't have to like what any person does. According to the constitution of the United States I don't even have to have a reason for what I find disgusting and debauched.

This is America. If you don't like it, then get out. Insults and meager attempts at belittling me will not make me see your point of view.

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@BillRM,

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Hawkeye for the most part the lesbians I had known had not been all that unfriendly to men.

as pointed out earlier in this thread I have had extensive experience with dyke feminists, a great many of whom out and out hated men and were always going to hate men no matter what we did.

I was a sympathizer at the time, and am not now, but talking to Firefly in this thread brings back memories of all those late night debates we had back then. She seems very familiar.

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@hawkeye10,

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I also see that she is highly disciplined and very dishonest. I am thinking that like any salesman she only speaks what she thinks is in the best interest ....which is her interest of selling what she has to sell.

Given the one hell of a hard time she had been given by you and I and a few others from times to times you would think she would had packed her bags and try to sell her goods somewhere else on the net.

The last time I had look at her posting history she seem only to have this thread as her main interest.

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@BillRM,

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Given the one hell of a hard time she had been given by you and I and a few others from times to times you would think she would had packed her bags and try to sell her goods somewhere else on the net.

feminists are not in the habit of not getting what they want....I thought that her and me agreed that we were done with this thread, that we would both leave, but after a week she just HAD to come back and start pitching again. She could not stand not winning, does not yet understand that the problem is with what she is trying to sell and how she is trying to sell it not with her work ethic. She needs to either get a new product or revamp her approach, to understand that undocumented (and largely untrue) assertions combined with the laying of guilt trips and trying to sell fear dont cut it anymore, that she needs a fact based logical argument that does not make the dual false assumptions that men are assholes and that women are pure.

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I 'get away' with questioning Bateye about his disgusting, debauched, and vile BDSM lifestyle the same way Robill gets away with making fun of my Christianity and implying, accusing, or flat out lying about firefly being a lesbian, the difference being of course, he has proven what I've said about him and simply slanders everyone else.

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Freedom of speech is the ability to speak without censorship or limitation. Also called freedom of expression, it refers not only to verbal speech but any act of communicating information or ideas, including publications, broadcasting, art, advertising, film, and the Internet. Freedom of speech and freedom of expression are closely related to the concepts of freedom of thought and conscience.

Freedom of speech is a key factor in the spread of information in contemporary society and can be a potent political force. Authoritarian regimes, both political and religious, thus seek to control its exercise through various means. However, unbridled free speech can negatively impact the rights of others. Thus, even in the most liberal democracies, the right to freedom of speech is not absolute, but is subject to certain restrictions. Limitations on freedom of speech are thus imposed on such practices as false advertising, "hate speech," obscenity, incitement to riot, revealing state secrets, and slander. Achieving a balance between the right to freedom of speech on the one hand and the need for national security, decency, truth, and goodness on the other hand sometimes creates a paradox, especially in the context of large scale legal systems.

The right to freedom of speech was first constitutionally protected by the revolutionary French and American governments of the late eighteenth century. It is recognized today as a fundamental human right under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and is enshrined in international human rights law in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and various regional human rights documents. Often subject to disclaimers relating to the need to maintain "public order," freedom of speech remains a contentious issue throughout the world today.

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Why don't we take a little peek into the world of BDSM so we can really be fair to Bateye?

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http://bdsmlifestyle.net/

Oh how Bateye must adore his wife to submit her to such depravity and vileness.

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@Arella Mae,

AM, word to the wise here......dont get within 100 miles of a feminist activist while talking about the validity of free speech. They will disown you in a heartbeat. Stick to talking about all the reasons why free speech should be terminated, they like that. Feminists always enjoy invalidating individual rights, they are hard at work right now invalidating sexual and relationship consent....... invalidating free speech , the right to drink alcohol, and the right to bare arms are all on the to-do list.

EDIT: you remember IDOT BILL right? That man hating man who claims that I should be banned from A2K for having the temerity to voice an objection to the feminist agenda....where do you think he got that idea from if not the domineering feminists that he apparently sucks up to for approval?

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@Arella Mae,

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Oh how Bateye must adore his wife to submit her to such depravity and vileness

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Unless you know that she is not a willing and eager partner with Hawkeye I do not see the point other then you do not care for what turn him and this wife on.

Not my life style but then Hawkeye is not putting down your sex life or mine for that matter.

Oh Hawkeye there is a science fiction/military fiction author and ex-special force guy by the name of John Ringo who have one of his main characters into BDSM. The serial with the BDSM element begin with the book name "ghost".

I think that I got some of that serial in digit format if you wish me to send any to you for you to look at.

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I am so blessed to have the husband I have. He respects me. He would never want me to be intimate with another man. That is meant for our marriage bed. He would not subject me to the depravity or body fluids of others, having who knows what kind of diseases. eeeeeewwww! My husband considers our sexual life lovemaking and not f*ing like an animal. A real man cherishes and protects his wife. He doesn't pass her around like a piece of meat!

As far as I am concerned, if a woman goes along with it she is just as vile as the pitiful excuse for a husband she is married to.

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@BillRM,

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Unless you know that she is not a willing and eager partner with Hawkeye I do not see the point other then you do not care for what turn him and this wife on.

She is throwing mud, as she has nothing else. She and Firefly both hope that they can discredit me by painting me as not one of you, but rather as a freak. What they both fail to understand is that my interest here are the same as everyone else's interest, which is to protect the sovereignty of myself from the attack upon it which comes from the team of the Feminists and the State. Even those who dont agree with me that it is time to put a stop to the erosion of individual rights none the less understand why the loss of rights is a concern, and withhold the right to stand up for protecting their own rights at some future time if they decide that they need to. No one is going to willingly give up control of their lives to the State once the state dictates start to run counter to individual needs, which has already happened for me.

Mud is not going to do the trick here, and their slowness at coming to understand this is telling.

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Sovereignty of myself?????????? Now he is God! Shocked

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4858/youaretoofunnyag1.gif

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@Arella Mae,

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Self-ownership (or sovereignty of the individual, individual sovereignty or individual autonomy) is the concept of property in one's own person, expressed as the moral or natural right of a person to be the exclusive controller of his own body and life which naturally includes the Inherent Birthright to free access to Land to secure those rights. According to G. Cohen, the concept of self-ownership is that "each person enjoys, over himself and his powers, full and exclusive rights of control and use, and therefore owes no service or product to anyone else that he has not contracted to supply."[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-ownership
I am not surprised that you think that the the idea of the sovereignty of the individual is a joke, but thanks for making clear your lack of respect for the individual.

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