Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@Arella Mae,

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I know plenty of atheists, non-believers, whatever you want to call them, that believe sleeping with anyone but your spouse when you are married is wrong. Like I said Bill, stuff a sock in it.

I question if any of them would have a problem of any kind when both parties to a marriage agreeing freely to an open marriage from the start.

Other then religion reasons there is zero reasons or logic to tell two adults how they should arrange their marriage.

Myself I do not have an open marriage however I have zero problems with Hawkeye and his wife doing so if they wish to.

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@BillRM,

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I know plenty of atheists, non-believers, whatever you want to call them, that believe sleeping with anyone but your spouse when you are married is wrong. Like I said Bill, stuff a sock in it.

I question if any of them would have a problem of any kind when both parties to a marriage agreeing freely to an open marriage from the start.

Other then religion reasons there is zero reasons or logic to tell two adults how they should arrange their marriage.

Myself I do not have an open marriage however I have zero problems with Hawkeye and his wife doing so if they wish to.

Okay, this is me being condescending. Hon, bless your pea pickin heart! You don't get to dictate to anyone what basis they base their judgments on. I guess you didn't know that! Are you going to tell me, sugarpie, that if someone thinks lies are wrong surely that must only come from a religious thought? Or murder? Surely, only religious people, from what you are saying, would have a problem with lying and murder? I don't give a flip what hawkeye does in his marriage. I never asked him what he does. He told us all about it for his own reasons. So, don't you try to take away my rights and tell me how I can or how I can't comment on it.

Look at it this way, Bill. Suppose you just love country music and I can't stand it. Is my not liking it going to stop you from listening to it? Same principle.

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@Arella Mae,

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He told us all about it for his own reasons

as an example of the freedom from the state and from the church that was so hard fought for that I am not willing to give up without a fight, and implore others to not be willing to surrender. The states claims of need are bogus, which is easy to see with only ten minutes of looking into the facts behind the alleged sexual violence epidemic, the state has no grounds to collect the power that it is demanding. We have the power to say no to the state. We should say no to the state.

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@hawkeye10,

The discussion was about rape. You and your wife having sex with other people didn't need to be brought into the discussion. If you don't want to hear my view on what you do then don't tell me about it. See how simple that is?

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@Arella Mae,

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If you don't want to hear my view on what you do then don't tell me about it.

my objection was not that you had an opinion, it was that you are attempting to parley your ill informed opinion into a claim that my views on the subject of rape and sexual transgression should not be given serious consideration. Your information, logic, and claims of rights over others are all flawed.

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@Arella Mae,

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You and your wife having sex with other people didn't need to be brought into the discussion

Perhapses, but you using your objection to how I live my life as justification for the government regulating sexual conduct by law is informative. Firefly has beyond a shadow of a doubt claimed that the government has this right even if neither party claims transgression upon them, and you have indicated that you agree (and perhaps said so, I don't care to look through 300+ pages to find out). I feel very strongly that the government has no right into peoples sexual affairs unless the intrusion of the government is requested.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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If you don't want to hear my view on what you do then don't tell me about it.
my objection was not that you had an opinion, it was that you are attempting to parley your ill informed opinion into a claim that my views on the subject of rape and sexual transgression should not be given serious consideration. Your information, logic, and claims of rights over others are all flawed.

Um, you mean like you are trying to void my opinion with all of your calling me names, insults, and bashing my religion? You mean like making false allegations against firefly and intimating she is gay and on the "rape feminists" payroll. You and your buddy bill are definitely two of a kind.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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You and your wife having sex with other people didn't need to be brought into the discussion
Perhapses, but you using your objection to how I live my life as justification for the government regulating sexual conduct by law is informative. Firefly has beyond a shadow of a doubt claimed that the government has this right even if neither party claims transgression upon them, and you have indicated that you agree (and perhaps said so, I don't care to look through 300+ pages to find out). I feel very strongly that the government has no right into peoples sexual affairs unless the intrusion of the government is requested.

You are a filthy liar. I have not even come close to any statement about the government and your bedroom. My objection to anything you have done or think should be okay to do is have sex with a fifteen year old. I don't care what you and your wife do. I never wanted to hear about it. It was NONE OF MY BUSINESS! I do think you demean her in many ways but so what? It is my opinion. I love country music and I hate opera. Same thing.

Lying about what I said is as far as I am going to go with you. If you have to resort to such nasty tactics find someone of your own ilk.

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@Arella Mae,

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I have not even come close to any statement about the government and your bedroom.

You have repeatedly indicated that you think that the government has the right to regulate our bedroom behaviour, however, if you will now make a concise statement that the government has no such right unless one of the citizens claims transgression I would be thrilled to amend my understanding of your position.

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@hawkeye10,

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I have not even come close to any statement about the government and your bedroom.
You have repeatedly indicated that you think that the government has the right to regulate our bedroom behaviour, however, if you will now make a concise statement that the government has no such right unless one of the citizens claims transgression I would be thrilled to amend my understanding of your position.

Produce the statement! I have said nothing about the government and your bedroom. Produce it or be known once again for lying. I have been talking about rape! Not your perverted bedroom habits and the government. What a liar!

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@hawkeye10,

Don't bother looking for it because it is not there. You should be ashamed of lying so much.

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@Arella Mae,

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I have been talking about rape!

You have been talking about what the rape feminists call rape, not what the actual people involved call rape. You are fully on board the rape feminist claim that even those women who do not believe that they have been raped and do not want the government involved have none the less been raped. This is just one of the ways you are thrown in with removing from the citizens our rights over our affairs.

We have already removed from those we call victims the right to decide if the law pursues their case, what else is the government allowed to do? Can they for instance make alleged victims sit through a lesson on how they have violated their duty to other women if they dont cooperate with the authorities so that we can pressure them into doing what is wanted...much like we make those seeking abortions suffer though lecture and pictures of fetuses so that perhaps they will not pursue their legal right to an abortion? Can we make them sit though this lecture each and every time they seek assistance from the rape centers even after they have made their position clear that they do not want to cooperate with the law apparatus of the state as we often do now? We know that we can report the incident to the police anyway, we are breaking the law if we don't report, no matter what the woman wants.

WHo else but sexual assault and domestic violence alleged victims dont have the right to decide if what happened to them gets reported to the state? They have perhaps already been run over by someone who was trying to get what they want out of them, but the state has zero compassion for this loss of control, it is not only prepared to run over them again but increasingly is making doing so policy.

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@hawkeye10,

Your ramblings have become quite insane.

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@Arella Mae,

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Your ramblings have become quite insane.

Your failure to stand up for the rights of the citizen to freedom from the state is very clear.

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@hawkeye10,

Again Hawkeye, show me where I have been a champion for the state intruding on your bedroom or anyone else's for that matter. You cannot because I have not.

There is a saying, when two fools are arguing, it's hard to tell who is who. I won't be your fool any longer.

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@Arella Mae,

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I won't be your fool any longer.

Going back to being Firefly fool? Laughing

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@BillRM,

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I won't be your fool any longer.

Going back to being Firefly fool?

It must make you feel like such a big strong man to act like such a stupid child.

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@Arella Mae,

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Again Hawkeye, show me where I have been a champion for the state intruding on your bedroom or anyone else's for that matter.

I am not going to sift through 322 pages to document your position, you are here and can tell us your position. Others either will or will not agree with me that these 322 pages indicate that your position is that the state has the right to regulate our bedrooms regardless of the lack of a citizen call to the state for assistance. You think that the state has the right to regulate regardless of what the citizens want, I think the state only has the right to investigate and prosecute sexual transgression when the one who was transgressed makes the request of the state for justice.

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@hawkeye10,

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You think that the state has the right to regulate regardless of what the citizens want, I think the state only has the right to investigate and prosecute sexual transgression when the one who was transgressed makes the request of the state for justice.

I love it that the state courts even now are claiming the right to order a man and a wife not to even communicate with each other against both of their wishes in the matter.

Talk about taking people rights away from them I can not think of a worst example.

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@BillRM,

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I love it that the state courts even now are claiming the right to order a man and a wife not to even communicate with each other against both of their wishes in the matter.

Talk about taking people rights away from them I can not think of a worst example.

that a woman can walk into a rape industry store and get a no contact order based upon nothing more than her unsupported claims, and have that order include forbidding him from contacting his kids, ranks up there.....

that the state can take any property used in a drug transaction regardless of if the owner was involved or aware and without compensation ranks up there

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