Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@firefly,

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And, when an over-the-hill married man seeks partners outside of marriage, as apparently you do, you open yourself up to all sorts of things--again by your own choice--and, again, not of particular interest to anyone here.

So if a married man would dare to have consensus sex outside married he should just accept that he had placed himself at the whim of any unstable sexual partner of his.

If she then wish to charge him with rape it serve him right after all for him daring to live a life style that you do not approve of even if his wife does.

There is no real question remaining that you wish to used the laws as a tool to imposed your sexual morals on others freely consenting adults.

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@firefly,

Obviously, from their own posts, it is perfectly clear. They have no morals or ethics when it comes to sex. Thank God they are married, even though I feel for their wives. I seriously wouldn't want them running around out there. They either have no morals or are sociopaths without a conscience. That, of course, is strictly my opinion.

My husband has narcicisstic personality disorder and he doesn't come close to the lack of compassion or caring of these two.

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@Arella Mae,

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My husband has narcicisstic personality disorder and he doesn't come close to the lack of compassion or caring of these two.

It is a question of what one cares about...I choose to care about the one I am with and myself above the sexual morality that is increasingly being written into law. When sex law was about sexual assault I did not have a problem with it, but when it began to remove the right to consent and demand obscene levels of consent to keep sex on the right side of the law it became time to work towards reform and to practice disobedience. What we do in our bedrooms is between us, we are free beings and we practice this freedom sexually, we do not accept the chains of other peoples morality.

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@BillRM,

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There is no real question remaining that you wish to used the laws as a tool to imposed your sexual morals on others freely consenting adults.

That is exactly right, though the imposing of this sexual morality through law was always about more than the dislike of sex and the desire to discourage the practice, it is about reordering the male/female relationship so the the female is always in charge. Saving the victims never had much to do with the program , as evidenced by the fact that they need to keep redefining victim downwards in order to justify the program, because once "save the victims" was sold as the justification for the entrusion of the state into our intimate affairs the "probem" must never be allowed to be solved. Already a pat on the ass is sexual assault, next year whistling at a woman will be, after that having sex with a woman but not getting her off will be.

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@hawkeye10,

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What we do in our bedrooms is between us, we are free beings and we practice this freedom sexually, we do not accept the chains of other peoples morality.

In a society we do accept the prevailing morality--that is why we have laws.

If you choose "disobedience" of criminal laws--including rape and sexual assault laws--that does not make you some sort of champion of freedom. It makes you a common criminal. Violating rape and sexual assault laws is hardly something to boast of. Sexual assault laws refer to non consensual contact. Therefore, when you violate those laws, you are legally committing a criminal assault against another person.

Sorry, buddy, even in the privacy of your bedroom, you have no right, or justification, to commit rape or sexual assault. Whenever your behavior involves another human being there will be limits placed on it--and one of those limits is the need for consent in sexual contacts.

You want complete sexual freedom? Stick to masturbation.

Rape/sexual assault laws hardly discourage the practice of sex. That contention of yours is really ludicrous. Yes, the current laws do give women more protection than they had previously, and that was the intention, since women are overwhelmingly the victims of sexual assault. That this disturbs your apparently fragile sense of masculinity is your personal problem. Most men support these laws--men voted them into existence.

As I said before, if the rape and sexual assault laws cramp your "lovemaking" style, too bad. The laws will not change in order to accommodate your personal psychopathology. The overwhelming majority of people--both male and female--have no problem with these laws.

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@firefly,

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Whenever your behavior involves another human being there will be limits placed on it

Control of the citizens through law is certainly often attempted, but just as it has failed when it comes to alcohol and drugs it will fail when it comes to sex and relationship. At some point you control freaks will need to come to terms with the limits of the power of the law. Trying to push the law to do things that it is not suited for will in the end only discredit the government and those who pushed the government towards this foolishness of trying to regulate the practice of sex.

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@firefly,

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The overwhelming majority of people--both male and female--have no problem with these laws.

Obviously, because these laws would already have been reformed if the majority had rebelled against them. My position is the minority position, which I am attempting to make the majority position.

I love how you keep trotting out "the law is the law" and "the majority are against you" and "if you break the law you are a common criminal" as if you are saying something meaningful or profound. But then you are the same person who keeps saying "rape is rape" so I hardly expected better out of you.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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My husband has narcicisstic personality disorder and he doesn't come close to the lack of compassion or caring of these two.
It is a question of what one cares about...I choose to care about the one I am with and myself above the sexual morality that is increasingly being written into law. When sex law was about sexual assault I did not have a problem with it, but when it began to remove the right to consent and demand obscene levels of consent to keep sex on the right side of the law it became time to work towards reform and to practice disobedience. What we do in our bedrooms is between us, we are free beings and we practice this freedom sexually, we do not accept the chains of other peoples morality.

Aren't you the one into swinging and BDSM? If that is what you call caring about the one you are with................................disgusting.

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@Arella Mae,

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If that is what you call caring about the one you are with................................disgusting.

What is it to you....am I making you do these things against your will? How does what I and my women do negatively impact your life? What are your grounds for objecting, and what is more thinking that you have standing to decide what me and my women do?

You live your life, and I will live mine. You can write law and criminalize my life but that does NOT mean that you get your way. Laws are ignored everyday, if I pick the right sex partners I can ignore bad sex law most of the time, however I will still work towards reform .

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@Arella Mae,

Notice that Hawkeye never considers his partner. It is all about his war against "the state" or against "rape feminists". If his partner is consenting, then he isn't even talking about rape or sexual assault. But, when he says he believes in "disobedience" of the rape/sexual assault laws, if that suits him, he is clearly indicating a disregard for the welfare of his partner, because he is talking about non consensual sexual activity.

It's all about his need for power, and control--to insure his sexual gratification. So, what if that involves a few rapes. Rolling Eyes

And this from a man who claims his wife and children were victims of sexual abuse. Somewhat hard to fathom, isn't it?

His real concern, and fear, is that the state will put curbs on his BDSM activities. So, for that extremely selfish reason, he wants to get rid of the rape/sexual assault laws. His whole rant against the rape laws is very self-serving.

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@hawkeye10,

Well, if you don't want anyone commenting on what you do then don't tell them. You seem to have no problem whatsoever commenting on my puritan ways, do you?

Your bedroom antics should never have been brought up in this thread but since you can't stick to the topic you had to bring it up and then when someone finds it immoral or disgusting you are soooooooooooooooooooooo offended!

By the way, the courts will not accept I THOUGHT IT WAS A BAD LAW so I did it anyway as an excuse.

Just face it hawkeye, you don't care about right or wrong. You have made that clear to all of us.

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@firefly,

Let him ignore one of those "bad laws" and see how far it gets him. He ignores the law and wants to call me a puritan? That is toooooooooooooooooooooooo funny!

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@Arella Mae,

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Just face it hawkeye, you don't care about right or wrong.

I care what I think is right and wrong and what my woman thinks is right and wrong, and do not care what you think is right and wrong.

But you and Firefly have nicely framed how these laws are about morality and are not about transgression against another as is claimed. "sexual assault" is rapidly becoming nothing more than "sex that the government does not approve of"...

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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Just face it hawkeye, you don't care about right or wrong.
I care what I think is right and wrong and what my woman thinks is right and wrong, and do not care what you think is right and wrong.

But you and Firefly have nicely framed how these laws are about morality and are not about transgression against another as is claimed. "sexual assault" is rapidly becoming nothing more than "sex that the government does not approve of"...

And therein lies the problem, you only care what you think is right or wrong. Y0u don't care what society thinks is right or wrong, like sex with a 15 year old child is wrong but you think it should be okay.

It's all about you and what you want.

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@firefly,

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If his partner is consenting, then he isn't even talking about rape or sexual assault. But, when he says he believes in "disobedience" of the rape/sexual assault laws, if that suits him, he is clearly indicating a disregard for the welfare of his partner, because he is talking about non consensual sexual activity.

Wrong,my partner and I are together deciding what consent basis we operate under, and since we usually decide not to follow the active consent for each stage framework our sex is increasingly criminal. Our consent is good enough for us, but it is increasingly not good enough for the government and is certainly is not good enough for the rape feminists.

OUR response to the government and the rape feminists is the middle finger.

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@Arella Mae,

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It's all about you and what you want.

Almost, when it comes to sex it is all about what i want and what my woman wants, this does not concern you or the collective, it is none of your business.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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It's all about you and what you want.
Almost, when it comes to sex it is all about what i want and what my woman wants, this does not concern you or the collective, it is none of your business.

YOU MADE IT EVERYONE'S BUSINESS WHEN YOU PLASTERED IT ALL OVER THIS THREAD!

People like you, that have so little regard for the law, are not people I want to know. How can your wife trust you? You sleep with other women! How can you trust her if she sleeps with other men? My husband is not perfect but he would never ever put me in a position such as you and your wife are in. You don't even have enough regard for marital vows, hawkeye! How could anyone trust you or what you have to say?

You think people should be able to have sex with fifteen year old CHILDREN. The saddest thing about all of this is you seem to honestly think this kind of behavior is perfectly acceptable.

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@Arella Mae,

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How can your wife trust you? You sleep with other women! How can you trust her if she sleeps with other men? My husband is not perfect but he would never ever put me in a position such as you and your wife are in. You don't even have enough regard for marital vows, hawkeye! How could anyone trust you or what you have to say?

trusting me is a red herring...I make my arguments and you make what you will of it them, I am not asking you to trust me because trust has nothing to do with it. My arguments either resonate with the facts as you know them and your life experience or they do not. Unlike you and Firefly I trust people to make up their own minds, and I largely trust other people to live their lives without interference from me or the state.

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@hawkeye10,

When people get married, they make a vow before God and man that they will be faithful to each other. How could anyone trust anyone that breaks that vow? You actually lied about going to be being faithful to your wife, don't you get that? I never said you asked me to trust you. I am merely explaining to you why I feel the way I do about you.

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@Arella Mae,

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When people get married, they make a vow before God and man that they will be faithful to each other

as you should know from hanging around a2k marriage threads very few people consider marriage to be a contract with God. You are a few generations behind the power curve.

And I am Buddhist, and we got married before a Buddhist who in his day job is a martial arts instructor,,,jsyk.

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You actually lied about going to be being faithful to your wife, don't you get that

No,because we dont consider being sexual outside of marriage as a breaking of the faith of the marriage. What would be is being sexual outside of the agreed upon boundaries, which I have never done. My wife is the only one besides me who gets a vote on my fidelity in marriage.

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