Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

Sure but the Judge is out of line if he imposes the max penalty when the defendant was not a predator, when no violence other than the sex happened, when no weapon was used, when the defendant has no history of the crime that he is accused of, and when no force was used. We have no knowledge of any of the extenuating circumstances being present in this case that would warrant the max penalty. Furthermore, the Judge indicates dereliction of duty when he becomes a cheerleader for the victim, as the victim has no standing in this case nor is the well-being of the victim a matter before this court. The judges job is to administer justice between the rights of the state and the rights of the man before him, and it certainly looks to me as if he did his job very poorly.

Hopefully this convicted man has an avenue available to appeal his apparently unjust sentence, but I doubt it.

You don't get it. The judge sentenced him WELL WITHIN the boundary of the law. You don't like the law lobby to change it.

I suppose if someone gets caught the first time they molest a child we should let them off or how about hey, just kill one person and since you hadn't killed before we'll just give ya a real short sentence.

The point is HE IS GUILTY and you want to lessen his guilt by lessening his sentence. Thank God it's not within your power to do so.

the max is 246 months, he got 234 months of which another law says that he must serve 85% of. He got 95% of the max penalty for rape, and on what grounds? We have no clue, but my guess is that there are no reasonable grounds for this sentencing, that the Judge failed to do his job.

That's fine with Firefly though, for her the more time guys spend in jail the better.....we are not unfamiliar with lock-em up and throw away the key lobbyists, but it used to be only Conservatives who argued thus. And they where wrong, because this is bad policy from a public health stand point and a just treatment of the citizen by his state stand point plus we can't afford this foolishness financially.

Unless you were at the trial and were privy to everything presented, you cannot say that judge failed to do his job. What you can say is you don't like the fact a rapist has to spend that much time in jail. Your guess doesn't mean squat in the legal system.

I do know that when a "journalist" does a piece such as the one Firefly linked to that normally details that show the convict to be a brute are noted, and we here have not a single extenuating circumstance that would justify this sentence noted. I also know that the Judge was out of line when he became a victim cheer leader. I can say with 95% certainty that this Judge was out of line with his sentence just on these two facts alone. That he comes from the backwards state of Missouri takes it up to 98%....good enough for me to call bullshit with no further input of work on my part.

I could be wrong. It is highly unlikely that I am wrong.

OK, now I get it.......the convict is a brutish looking black man...all has been made clear....This IS Missouri after all!
http://atchisonglobeonline.com/main.asp?SectionID=16&TM=70637.27

You just KNOW the victim was white, almost certainly pretty...So it had to be aggravated rape worthy of 95% of the max.



and the cost of attendance is $32K so this was almost certainly a pretty well to do white girl who got mixed up with a poor black man...he never had a chance in a 2010 Missouri court room.

http://www.slate.com/id/2278906/pagenum/2

Most women decide that it is not worth it to allege rape, so what exactly is wrong with telling the truth about this? Why should Assange defenders feel the least bit bad about saying what most women believe? The feminists have certainly gone far down the rabbit hole whining about the truth rather than trying to do something ABOUT the truth. If they want women to come forwards and claim rape then they need to offer women A BETTER DEAL!. No, they can't/wont do that, they just stomp their feet and whine about reality. ...obsessed with their fantasies as they are.

AND no, believing women's claims without examination would suit the rape feminists fine, but we are not going to do that. If women are going to charge men with a crime then men have every right to face their accuser. It is in the Constitution, look it up.

Hawkeye at least now days the guy get to go before a judge as in the good old days a black man was just hung at the nearest tree if a white woman claimed rape.

Arella Mae, spare your breath. These two jerks just don't want to see rapists punished. That's why they attack the laws. Obviously, without the laws, you can't punish the rapists, or even consider them rapists.

No one in that Missouri trial failed to do their job. The man was convicted by a jury who listened to the evidence, including testimony by the defendant. The judge was well within his rights to voice his opinions before passing sentence--judges do this all the time in every courtroom in our land. What the trolls fail to see is that communities are outraged by the crime of rape--and that outrage is what is reflected in these verdicts and sentences. Most people, unlike the trolls, do have a sense of morality. They realize that rape is a violent assault, whether or not weapons or extreme force is used--it is a physically, emotionally, and psychologically violent assault. Whether the victim is a 6 year old, a 92 year old, or a 22 year old who is extremely intoxicated, the dynamics of the situation are the same--the victim has been violently assaulted by an unwanted attack that involved the invasion of her body. And the only person responsible for that assault is the rapist who has chosen to prey on and assault his vulnerable victim.

A persistent problem with the trolls is their failure to distinguish consensual sex from rape. Rape is not about sex--certainly not for the victim, and often not for the rapist as well. Rape is not about the erotic or pleasurably sexually arousing sexual fantasies. It is an ugly, brutal crime that is meant to be a profound violation, invasion, and subordination of a victim. It is not "sex". Rape news stories are not "exciting" or "arousing"--they are the harsh reality of brutal attacks and assaults that destroy lives. And posting those stories is done to distinguish the reality of rape from the distortions being perpetrated by the trolls and others who try to deny the reality of rape and make apologies for rapists.

That gang rape at Richmond High School really reveals the vile and barbaric nature of rape--with full intent to humiliate and debase the victim in every conceivable manner. And what did this innocent 16 year old victim do to warrant such treatment? She got drunk. And being drunk--very drunk--made her vulnerable. But being drunk is not a crime. The desire to pounce on and violently assault a victim in that condition lies within the rapist. Rapists are opportunistic. They are motivated to exploit situations and victims. And they alone are fully responsible for their motivations and for their actions. That 16 year old was not asking to be raped. She is in no way responsible for her rape. Nor is any other victim responsible for her own rape. The trolls fail to grasp that very simple fact. What motivates the rapist is within the rapist. And the rapist must be held accountable for the behaviors that result from such motivations.

Of course, crime victims--and potential victims--deserve the protection of laws. Who but the self-serving trolls would argue that? Whether the crime is murder, or theft, or rape, people, all people, deserve the protection of law and protection from the predators who commit such crimes. People in a civilized society have a right not to be assaulted, or violated, or harmed, by the actions of others. And that is why we need laws--including rape laws--and why we need them enforced. Rapists have a right to a fair trial and due process, and that is about their only right under the law. Rape laws are not any more "unfair" to rapists than property laws are "unfair" to thieves. Those who violate the laws must pay the price--and rapists should think about that before they act. Sex without consent is a sexual assault--it is rape. And those who seek to make excuses for rapists, or quibble about the laws, will find they are crying into the wilderness. Not only are these laws being enforced, they are being strengthened, and punishments are getting harsher. This is not a "feminist" initiative, it is the thrust of a society which is no longer willing to tolerate such profound violations of one human being by another. And, thank heavens, we have finally arrived at that point.

So, just ignore the trolls, Arella Mae. Like rapists, they lack the basic morality to differentiate right from wrong. They want to play by their own rules, with their own definitions. That's not the way society works. We have clearly defined laws, with clear definitions--and that includes our rape laws. The rape laws are not going away. As long as there is the crime of rape we will need laws to deter and punish it. And rape is non consensual sex. Plain and simple. It is not acceptable. It is not tolerable. It is not excusable.

If the trolls don't like that, they can lump it. And that's not our message--that's society's message.

The problem is your wish to define actions that is not rape as rape.

No one have a problem with punishing rape we do have a problem with defining the breaking of a promise to wear a condom as rape, or allowing some drunk to place her boyfriend/sexaul partner in prison because of regret after the fact of sex.

Ignoring that which you dont want to deal with is such a novel idea right? And let's pretend that you are not aware that I and my side claim the moral high ground as well, for we are very convinced that those who carry water for the rape feminist agenda are not only scum, but are also traitors of the ideals embodied in the declaration of Independence as well as the Constitution of the United States. Your morality is a direct descendant from that originated from the Nazi's and Stalin and Mao, and Pol Pot and our very own Joseph McCarthy and our very own J Edgar Hoover. All demanded that personal ideas of right and wrong must be subordinate to the states ideas of right and wrong, and agreed that the state has not only the right but the duty to enforce its dominance over the citizen at the point of a gun. Morality is what the bosses say it is, and the bosses are the ones who have the best firepower....might makes right isnt that right Firefly? Dont you keep saying so when you say that the law is the law and we all just need to deal with it??

No thank you, I am holding out for something better....

Let clarify this a little bit more if an adult woman go out partying and of her own free will get drunk and then picked up some guy and take him home that is not rape even if she happen to regret doing so the next day.

If she does not care for the men she wake up next to the next morning the solution is for her to drink less the next time she is out partying.

It surely is not a solution to lock up some poor guy for twenty years to life every time she get drunk and pick up some man in that state.

Dont you love how she dismisses as not important that in the Richmond case the girl ditched her friends to go drink with the guys who later might have raped her, and in the Missouri case a girl got herself wasted and decided to get into a car with a guy who raped her??? According to her we are just supposed to overlook this lack of maturity and responsibility for their own well-being.

I am old school, I dont care if you are a chick or a dude, if you get drunk or stoned and do something stupid or get hurt dont come whining to me about it. We need to thin out the herd anyway, and we cant save everyone......the stupid are expendable. Those who wont take care of themselves cant expect others to do more to protect them then they do for themselves, the only exceptions being kids and those with a recognised mental defect.

See, Arella Mae, the trolls still don't get it.

Rape is a CRIME. Rapists are CRIMINALS, not people who are exercising their "free rights". NO ONE HAS ANY RIGHT TO RAPE.

Blaming a rape victim for being drunk in no way excuses the behavior of the person who rapes her. Being drunk made her less able to resist an assault--which is what appeals to the rapist--but it does not mean she "asked to be raped".

They just can't understand that the motivation to rape lies within the rapist. Highly intoxicated women are simply attractive prey for rapists. Rich people are also attractive targets for thieves, but only the thief is responsible for the act of theft.

These two seem to put the satisfaction of their biological functions above the civil, and human, rights of others to be free from harm and assault. They think their biological need for sexual release trumps other people's right not to be sexually assaulted. Next they will be proclaiming their right to urinate and defecate on public streets whenever they need to relieve those biological tensions.

It's tough that they don't like the rape laws. These laws were made and passed by state legislatures--legislatures composed primarily of men. It is other men, and not just women, who want to see these laws remain in force. The trolls don't seem to get that either. They are still ranting about "rape feminists" as a scapegoat. Someone should tell them they are out of step with most men in our society on this issue. These jokers fraudulently hide behind a "men's rights" banner, but most men, including those who actually work on civil rights, as well as men's rights, want to see the current rape laws enforced.

The trolls should leave this thread, turn off their computers, and go out into the real world and start advocating against the rape laws. Let's see just how much support they can drum up to change the laws. Judging by the recent changes in the rape laws, which increasingly focus on "consent", and consent as an affirmative statement of agreement by a freely willing and fully aware partner, I'm not sure they will find many followers at all. In fact, I doubt they could even find many people willing to listen to their misogynistic crap. The good old days of the caveman mentality are long gone. The world has grown up around them, but these psychological adolescents just don't realize that. It's sad when aging men have a frat boy mentality. It's time they grew up. Rape is a real crime, and it merits, and gets, real punishments in the real world.

I would like to point out one thing.
You said being drunk is not a crime.
Accordong to the law, it IS a crime for people under 21 to drink, so that 16 year old girl was committing a crime by drinking in public and by getting drunk.
That does not excuse what happened to her, but she most certainly was committing a crime in her own right.

I don't know about there, but it is a crime to drink in public where I am. Regardless of age. Actually, it is a minor offence punishable by a small fine rather than an actual crime.

I believe the crime is to sell or serve alcohol to those under 21. Just consuming alcohol is not a crime.

Does your state actually prosecute underage drinkers???

Drinking in public is legal in some states but not others in the U.S. It is governed by "open container" laws. It generally would be punished with a small fine. It is not considered a serious crime. With underage drinkers, drinking in public, the police where I live often confiscate the alcohol and leave it at that, unless the adolescents are creating a disturbance.

Well, if you feel that strongly about it, report him to the bar association.

I do not believe hawkeye nor Bill will ever get it. I don't believe they want to get it. From all their posts on this thread, and others I might add, it is clear they want to do what they want, when they want, and to/with whom they want, and not be held accountable.

That is how they choose to live. I do feel sorry for them and I do pray for them. It's not easy but it's the right thing to do I believe. Something, somewhere in their lives must have happened to cause them to have such a distorted view of right and wrong.

Fortunately, we have laws that are supposed to protect us from those that refuse to follow the laws. Our justice system may not be perfect but it is what we have. If we don't like it then instead of complaining about it we have the opportunity to try to have those laws changed.

Until they are changed, EVERYONE is bound by them. We either obey the laws or we put ourselves in the position of being punished by the justice system. If you break a law then you MADE THE CHOICE to break it and you are in the wrong. That is reality.

Or as the far right wing are currently saying take up arms and overthrow the government.

I would not in any case AM be so very very smug that feminists can misused the laws and government to the extend the men would need to live in fear every time they have any interaction with a woman.

Women are over fifty percents of the voting population true but when it come down to it men are still the ones with the ultimate power to govern.

It is that power that likely to be the reason Feminists fear men to the degree that they are always trying to pass unreasonable laws to control our actions.

Let see our founding fathers had the following to say about dealing with an out of control government. See below


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That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off