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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 02:10 pm
@firefly,
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In 2009, rape complaints in the city dipped to a modern-day low of 1,206. This year the city is on target for a 16% increase, to about 1,400 reported rapes. It would be the first increase in rapes since Mr. Kelly became police commissioner, for the second time, in 2002.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703581204576033873467370478.html?mod=googlenews_wsj


in a city of 8.4 million. If we assume that half are female that gives us a rape rate of .03%. There is no crisis, this is rather a trojan horse used by the state to abuse the sovereignty of the individual, as the state demands the right to regulate our sexual selves and our relationships.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 02:20 pm
@BillRM,
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Yes if you are not a gentleman and break your word about wearing a condom that surely should be a case of rape.

let's not forget the allegation that he used a condom but that it was ripped...are we now to hold men to a charge of rape if the condom rips or comes off, because it sounds to me that this is where we are headed.

BTW, what kind of self respecting woman lets a man **** her if she needs a condom and he refuses?? I swear, according to the rape feminists we men hold women under some kind of trance spell, rendering them unable to control themselves. Sex with out a condom as rape is completely bogus, unless the woman is rendered physically unable to close her legs and leave. Even then a well placed punch to the face or properly executed ball squeeze will work 99 times out of 100....
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 02:39 pm
@hawkeye10,
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BTW, what kind of self respecting woman lets a man **** her if she needs a condom and he refuses??


Hawkeye the facts are still not clear but I think she is claiming that she was somehow was not aware that he had not kept his promise to wear a condom until he came inside of her.

In her case I guess that where the surprise came from in the sex by surprise charge. Drunk
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 02:45 pm
@BillRM,
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Hawkeye the facts are still not clear but I think she is claiming that she was somehow was not aware that he had not kept his promise to wear a condom until he came inside of her.
Really? The condoms we have in America take some time to put on, the procedure is easy to detect. I would like to see these wonder condoms that they use in Europe that can be put on with such stealth, and which feel so much like natural skin to a woman that she cant tell that her man has one on....
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 03:01 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Really? The condoms we have in America take some time to put on, the procedure is easy to detect. I would like to see these wonder condoms that they use in Europe that can be put on with such stealth, and which feel so much like natural skin to a woman that she cant tell that her man has one on....


Yes it look like nonsense on it face however that is my understanding and both women seem to had wish him to be force to be check for STDs as a result of the condoms issue. At least that what had been reported.........

Why they would not just have themselves check instead if they was concern I do not know.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 03:08 pm
@BillRM,
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Yes it look like nonsense on it face however that is my understanding and both women seem to had wish him force to be check for STDs as a result of the condoms issue.
Yes, yet another invasion upon the individual by the state. I have no doubt but that the rape feminists, wanting to discourage sex as we know that they do, would if they could demand that we all get tested once a month. They would hold all men who had sex without a current permit held on a rape charge, and would make some excuse for women who did not get the proper permits....That does not mean that we should go for it however. At some point we need to separate these whacks taken at men between sensible productive measures and pure vengeance, forcing the testing of those accused of sexual aggression is vengeance, nothing more. It is also a violation of the individual by the state.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 03:14 pm
This sentence certainly does send a message...some things will not be tolerated and they will be punished as harshly as possible.
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Rapist Gets 201-410 Years
December 22, 2010
By IAN HICKS Staff Writer

Brooke County Assistant Prosecutor David F. Cross hopes convicted child rapist Nick Ryniawec's massive prison sentence will send a scathing message to those who would prey on young children.

Circuit Judge Ronald Wilson on Tuesday sentenced Ryniawec, 46, to one to five years for first-degree sexual abuse, 10-25 years for second-degree sexual assault and 10-20 years on each of 19 counts of sexual abuse by a custodian.

Wilson ordered those sentences to be served consecutively, making the total penalty 201-410 years in prison. A Brooke County jury convicted Ryniawec on each of those charges in early November after hearing four days of testimony from the victims as well as Ryniawec, who denied the allegations on the stand.

"The punishment needs to fit the crime, and in this case it certainly does," Cross said of the sentence.

Cross said Ryniawec abused five young girls over a span of more than 11 years, from June 1998 to July 2009. His behavior, Cross said, established a pattern of victimizing broken families.

According to Cross, Ryniawec sought to establish romantic relationships with single mothers, particularly those with teenage or preteen daughters who had no contact with their fathers. He would build trust by playing the role of "superdad," filling the paternal void in the girls' lives.

Cross said Ryniawec targeted mothers with steady jobs, allowing him to be alone with the children at his Apple Pie Ridge Road home while the mother was at work.

He added it's not uncommon for such crimes to go unreported for many years, as was the situation with several of the victims in this case.

Cross said in addition to putting one dangerous person behind bars, he hopes Tuesday's sentencing will deter others from committing similar crimes.

He also hopes the result will encourage victims to overcome their fears and embarrassment and come forward to help bring their abusers to justice.
http://www.theintelligencer.net/page/content.detail/id/550084/Rapist-Gets-201-410-Years.html?nav=510


hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 03:18 pm
@firefly,
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Wilson ordered those sentences to be served consecutively, making the total penalty 201-410 years in prison. A Brooke County jury convicted Ryniawec on each of those charges in early November after hearing four days of testimony from the victims as well as Ryniawec, who denied the allegations on the stand.

The message is that killing your victim is the smarter move....way to go judge, great work!
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 03:26 pm
@firefly,
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Cross said in addition to putting one dangerous person behind bars, he hopes Tuesday's sentencing will deter others from committing similar crimes.


Yes, I see the likelihood that sick child rapists will turn away from their lives of raping children for fear that this judge generated.

Hell we are now sentencing idiots with minimums sentences of four years running into decades for having child porn and that seem not to even have begun slowing down child porn trading.

Oh well we did get one evil man off the streets however that is all we likely did.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 03:39 pm
@BillRM,
May you and yours have a very Happy Holiday.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 03:42 pm
@Arella Mae,
And the same to you AM.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 04:41 pm
I guess we should be grateful our rape laws are not as these:
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Rape victims fear being jailed in MauritaniaBy Mohamed Yahya Abdel Wedoud, For CNNDecember 22, 2010 5:16 a.m. EST

Zeinebou Mint Taleb Moussa has been fighting for women's rights in Mauritania for at least a decade.

Rights groups working to get a law defining rape in Mauritania

Currently rape victims can be jailed for having sex outside marriage

Victims also pressured by social stigma attached to rape

One woman tells CNN: Mauritania is no place for rape victims like me
Nouakchott, Mauritania (CNN) -- Mahjouba was raped in March on the nighttime streets of Mauritania's capital, but she will not bring charges against the man she says did it since she may be the one who ends up in prison. The 25-year-old says the legal advice she received was to not go to court, leaving her to suffer in silence.

There is no law in Mauritania that defines rape.

According to a local U.N.-funded group working with the victims, the law criminalizes the women instead of their rapists -- and society ostracizes the women.

Mahjouba, who asked not to use her real name, said: "I am sure that if I raise my voice I'm going to be criminalized by my society and I will pay the price harshly ... and as a result I may stay single for the rest of my life."

She added: "I consulted a lawyer secretly, and he advised me sincerely not to seek justice because that would throw me in jail. I know what happened to other girls who decided to go to court and face the community. Their lives were destroyed completely forever. So I already know what would happen to me if I had to follow that path.

"This Islamic republic has no place for rape victims like me."

Mauritanian laws are based on Sharia law and the penal code forbids relationships between both sexes outside marriage. That includes a consensual relationship between a boyfriend and girlfriend but can also criminalize a woman who is forced to have sex.

Sidi Athman Ould Sidi Salem, a law specialist and legal adviser to the government, said: "If raped women don't bring strong evidence, which is not easy, they would be accused of Zina -- an Arabic word meaning sex out of marriage -- and end up in jail. It's because the victims of rape are always accused of a Zina which make a lot of problems."

All the words that are related to sex are extremely taboo and can never be mentioned publicly

Sidi Athman added: "The rape issue has been one of the many taboos that haven't been investigated (by the government)."

UNFPA, which promotes health and equality issues, is working with local groups and the government to define rape in law and protect its victims.

Thierno Coulibaly, UNFPA assistant representative in Mauritania for its reproductive health program and population and development program, said he was not aware of any rape victim in the capital currently in jail but could not comment on what was happening outside the capital.

Even with legal protection, women victims of rape still face a social stigma that is hard to overcome. He said: "Women are still afraid to complain if they are victims of rape because there is an attitude from the society."

Coulibaly added: "There is no law to define rape but there will be one. And work is being done with police officers and judges ... to let them understand the problem is not the woman, but the perpetrator of the rape."

The U.N.-funded Mauritanian Association for Maternal and Child Health (known by its French acronym AMSME) is at the forefront of trying to change both the law and society.

When a woman reports a rape, police contact AMSME and the woman is taken to the El Wafa center.

Zeinebou Mint Taleb Moussa, a former midwife and president of the organization, set up the El Wafa center in 2001 to provide help for rape victims.

Mint Taleb Moussa said: "There is no mention of the words 'rape,' or 'sexual violence' in the Mauritanian laws which left a growing number of women as victims ... All the words that are related to sex are extremely taboo and can never be mentioned publicly."

Mint Taleb Moussa said there were 308 rape cases registered by her organization in 2008 and 205 in 2009, but she noted that "what has been reported is only the tip of the iceberg."

She said they mainly deal with cases in the capital, Nouakchott, but there remain many unreported rapes in the city and the country.

She said rape victims bring shame to their families and the woman's reputation, and few women have the courage to report the crime and be registered.

Mint Taleb Moussa added: "We focus basically on the capital Nouakchott, but we think of covering the interior regions as well."

Mint Taleb Moussa has tried in vain for a decade to get her message into the national media to assist rape victims.

"I requested having a program in the state mass media -- radio and TV -- but my request was turned down. Recently, the national TV hosted me for the first time on a program, but it was censored without giving any justification ... It's a big problem here to defend rape victims," she said.

AMSME is also working with government and religious leaders in a bid to get a new rape law.

Sidi Ould Beyade, spokesman for the Ministry of Welfare, Children and Family, said the ministry has begun work on the issue to help end the ordeal of rape victims.

"For the first time, the ministry is now in touch with NGO activists, lawyers and opinion makers with the purpose of studying the situation, first, and then trying to act."

BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 04:45 pm
@Arella Mae,
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I guess we should be grateful our rape laws are not as these:


Look like a mirror image of the kinds of laws that Firefly would like to see here.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 05:47 pm
Sex with an extremely intoxicated woman, in this case a college student, is rape. And this rapist will have 19 years behind bars to think about that. She may have gotten drunk, but she didn't ask to be raped.
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Convicted rapist sentenced to 19 years
Atchison Globe
December 22, 2010

More than 19 years of prison time await a 26-year-old Atchison man who was convicted of raping a Benedictine College student.

Michael D. Blanks was sentenced Tuesday to 234 months in connection with the May 12 incident at Lewis and Clark Independence Creek campsite about five miles north of Atchison. He was additionally ordered to undergo supervision for three years after he’s released from the Kansas Department of Corrections. A 12-person jury convicted Mr. Blanks on one of four counts Nov. 10 in Atchison County District Court.

Both Mr. Blanks and his 21-year-old victim declined to make statements before Judge Martin Asher handed down the sentence.

“This is a terrible crime,” Judge Asher said. “I don’t doubt there will be long-term consequences.”

Judge Asher then credited the victim, who has since spoken to various groups and shared her experiences to increase awareness associated with sexual violence.

He said that was admirable and expected that her testimony would have a positive impact on her audience.

He also advised that Mr. Blanks would be required to register as a sex offender and that he might be subject to the Kansas Sexual Predator Act.

Atchison County Attorney Jerry Kuckelman had implored Judge Asher to impose the maximum sentence of 246 months.

“The young lady involved in this case will have to live with this the rest of her life,” he said. “The only thing she did wrong was what a lot of other college kids do. She drank too much.”

The conviction stemmed from Mr. Blanks’ encounter with the victim while she was intoxicated after she celebrated the last day of finals at Benedictine. She said she experienced a memory blackout and separated from friends near Second and Commercial streets.

She testified during the trial that when she became conscious of her surroundings, she was in a field, pleading for her life. She then fled Mr. Blanks and sought shelter from the elements and assistance from residents in the area.

Mr. Kuckelman said Mr. Blanks’ attitude was almost more horrifying than the crime, because he didn’t appear to show remorse and seemingly bragged during testimony about his actions.

The sentencing comes amid a pending marriage for Mr. Blanks and Destinie Folsom in the Atchison County Jail. Jail Capt. Travis Wright said the Rev. Ken Watkins has agreed to perform the ceremony, which will be the first inside the jail during Capt. Wright’s tenure.
http://www.newspressnow.com/localnews/26214053/detail.html
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 07:14 pm
@firefly,
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Sex with an extremely intoxicated woman, in this case a college student, is rape. And this rapist will have 19 years behind bars to think about that. She may have gotten drunk, but she didn't ask to be raped.
I would like to think that there was some evidence presented in court that this guy who will now serve at lest 16.5 years in prison was a sexual predator, that this was not merely a case of drunk sex, but I know better. Such outrageous penalties for sex with a drunk woman will in time erode support of all of these rape feminist written sex laws. The state harms its own credibility in the process, which considering how lowly esteemed our government is already might give legislators and Judges some pause for thought before becoming tools for those seeking vengeance upon men.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 07:29 pm
God forbid a rapist would have to be held accountable for breaking the law and being a criminal. Rolling Eyes
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 08:03 pm
@Arella Mae,
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God forbid a rapist would have to be held accountable for breaking the law and being a criminal.
God Forbid that American justice be a couple of rungs of civility better than Taliban "justice", but in the case of Missouri this is not a given, Missouri being a state that was sentencing minors to mandatory life terms in prison before SCOTUS got involved.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 08:08 pm
@hawkeye10,
You do realize, don't you, that people are supposed to know right from wrong? When someone robs a bank, they know it is wrong, and they know there is a penalty for it. Same thing for murder and yes, even rape. If a person knows it is rape to have sex with someone (male or female) that is unconscious or incapacitated in some way that they cannot make an informed decision, then if they commit the crime they need to do the time.

If you don't like the laws, lobby to have them changed. Until then, if a rapist rapes, he needs to be held accountable for it. It is really quite that simple.

Have a wonderful holiday.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 08:28 pm
@firefly,
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Sex with an extremely intoxicated woman, in this case a college student, is rape. And this rapist will have 19 years behind bars to think about that. She may have gotten drunk, but she didn't ask to be raped.


So a man is going to go to prison because a woman voluntarily placed herself into a state where she have no idea if she have willing sex or not.

Yes, we all know that there is a double standard on consent when under the influence thank to “rape” feminists.

Men are the ones totally responsible for monitoring their partners condition and the women have zero duty to themselves less alone to the men.

If a woman have sex with a highly intoxicate man there is zero problem but if a man even a highly intoxicate man have sex with a woman who is intoxicate and later happen to regret the sex off to prison he go do not pass go.

We are moving toward women having the right to declare any of her sexual partners as a rapist at her whim.

The funny part will be that we are going toward a situation so bad that if the religion right is correct and homosexuality is indeed a life choice more and more men are going to go in that direction.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 08:35 pm
@Arella Mae,
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If a person knows it is rape to have sex with someone (male or female) that is unconscious or incapacitated i


When the first woman is lock up or even charge for having sex with an intoxicated/incapacitated man then you can repeat that nonsense.

I can in fact not wait until both the man and the woman of a sexual couple are charge for having sex with each other when both happen to be in that state instead of hanging the man for not acting as a guardian to the woman no matter what state he is in himself.
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