Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

Sexual abuse may be one aspect of a generally abusive or violent relationship.

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Syracuse University, campuses nationwide address relationship violence
December 06, 2010

In the wake of 20-year-old Jenni-Lyn Watson's murder, college campuses are reevaluating protocol for addressing relationship violence among students. Watson's former boyfriend is charged with murdering the Mercyhurst College dance major while she was visiting home for Thanksgiving break.

At Syracuse University, the Rape Advocacy, Prevention and Education (R.A.P.E.) Center may become the go-to office for relationship violence prevention resources, the Daily Orange reports.

"We want to be able to communicate by our name that it is not only rape that the center assists students on, but that we are also here to assist students who are victims of relationship violence, stalking, sexual harassment and cyber bullying," the center's associate director Janet Epstein told the Daily Orange.

At the University of Virginia, where stand-out men's lacrosse player George Huguely was charged in May with the slaying of female lacrosse player Yeardly Love, campus administrators are working with government officials to address relationship violence and bullying. According to a Virginia ABC affiliate, Congressman Tom Perriello has sponsored a bill -- the Campus Sexual Violence Elimation Act, or the SaVE Act -- to try to help stop relationship violence among students.

"The tragedy earlier this year at UVA really exposed what is an incredibly prevalent issue on college campuses and something that needs to be dealt with," Michael Kelly, a representative for Perriello, told ABC 13.

With attention drawn to relationship violence among young adults, some New York state high schools are tackling the issue by implementing teen dating violence awareness programs. According to statistics obtained by the San Bernardino Sun, nearly one in three teens who have been in a relationship have experienced sexual abuse, physical abuse or threats of physical harm.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2010/12/su_campus_nationwide_address_r.html

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@firefly,

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Why should we have a statute of limitations in serious sex crimes? Does the mere passage of time make the crime any less serious

Because the accused have rights, which wither with time. So long as the man is guilty until he proves himself to be innocent he needs to be given a reasonable chance to prove his innocents.

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Why should we have a statute of limitations in serious sex crimes?

five or ten years that we had was about right. and I would put in a longer term for stranger rape in case the perp should turn up. I dont agree with the 25 years to life that we are going with in all DNA cases though, because if the man is known to the woman she needs to decide what she wants to do, waiting years to make an accusation and thus depraving the defendant of his right to defend himself, plus being able to use a charge as blackmail for 25 to life, is not consistent with justice.

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Loopholes are ways to circumvent the law

loopholes are very often a means to hammer those who we want to hammer,justice be damned.

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We have discussed women as crime victims--when they have been raped. Rape is a crime. Women who are raped have been victimized by a rapist

have you ever noticed that you talk about crime as if it were violation od law handed down by God? We decide law, we can change law, we have changed sex law a lot in recent years, and sometimes when we make changes we go too far or don't think things through or are snookered by radical groups with an agenda that we did not pick up on when we originally decided on the law. We have lots of people sitting in jail who probably should not be, because of poor lawmaking....those on small time drug charges are tops on my list, but we are aiming to do the same damage with poor sex law. I object.

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@firefly,

You really do have to pity someone that thinks as long as someone doesn't get caught they shouldn't have to pay for their crimes.

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@firefly,

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Sexual abuse may be one aspect of a generally abusive or violent relationship.

I have no doubt but criminalizing relationships that you dont approve of is on your to-do list. I am waiting for the day when the state removes our right to consent to be with a partner who yells at us, or who throws a punch....trust me, if we dont stand up for individual rights now that day will come.

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@Arella Mae,

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You really do have to pity someone that thinks as long as someone doesn't get caught they shouldn't have to pay for their crimes.

we used to say that it was better for ten guilty people to go free than for one innocent person to be convicted and deprived of his freedom. You really have to pity obvious man haters who appear to believe that it is better for ten innocent men to be convicted of sex crimes than to let one guilty man go free.

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@firefly,

They are just big babies crying because they think life is unfair to them because they can't do what they want. Seriously, hawkeye is involved in BDSM! That's perversion. We cannot expect him to be normal regarding sexual issues when he doesn't have normality in his own.

Men rarely report rapes because of the macho man thing. I think it's a shame because men can be raped and the rapists deserve to be prosecuted.

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@Arella Mae,

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Seriously, hawkeye is involved in BDSM!

OMG!! Get a ROPE!

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@hawkeye10,

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I am waiting for the day when the state removes our right to consent to be with a partner who yells at us, or who throws a punch....trust me, if we dont stand up for individual rights now that day will come.

That day is here as when for whatever reason the police get involve with a couple and it could be a neighbor calling and they made an arrest the first thing that happen nowadays is a no contact order by the courts.

Both parties may not wish for such an order but it does not matter they need to go to court with lawyers and fight the state for the right to see each other.

This been the case for some time because many many years ago I remember the then mayor of New York and his wife needed to petition the court to lift a restraining order that neither had ask for.

The prosecutor, in fact try to block them from removing the order and this was all over him throwing and hitting her with a box of tea after she make fun of him not being able to open it.

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@hawkeye10,

It is ironic that you are carrying on about "consent". The most common defense to a rape charge is that "it was consensual". It is the victim who winds up having to prove she didn't give consent. The "consent issue" works for the benefit of the rapist far more often than not--particularly in a date rape situation.

That's why many states added, "No means no" provisions--to make it even clearer when the female is definitely not consenting, particularly in date rape situations. You can't claim agreement if she's saying, "No" or "Stop".

You may claim your state's definitions of "consent" and "rape" are "too broad" or "open to interpretation"--but, if you are ever arrested, that cannot be used as a defense. Ignorance of the law is never an excuse. And no defense lawyer would ever argue that the meaning of "consent" or "rape" was "too broad" or "too open to interpretation" for his client to understand. And, if you persisted with that line of reasoning, your lawyer would probably suggest you try for an insanity defense--or he'd order a competency examination for you. Laughing

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@Arella Mae,

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hawkeye is involved in BDSM! That's perversion. We cannot expect him to be normal regarding sexual issues when he doesn't have normality in his own.

So you are now part of the sex police and wish to judge members of consenting couples for taking part in sexual behaviors you do not approve of?

Labeling private behavior as being perversion because you have no wish to do it.

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@firefly,

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"No means no" provisions--to make it even clearer when the female is definitely not consenting, particularly in date rape situations. You can't claim agreement if she's saying, "No" or "Stop".

And sometimes yes or hell yes can mean no also at least that had been your position on this thread when it come to alcohol.

Now as far as stop meaning stop I can only hope that my wife is not reading this as she would kill me for posting this but it is not uncommon for her to tell me to stop as she can not take it any longer however she in fact means anything but for me to stop.

Somehow I do not think such interactions is all that uncommon between couples.

Sexual interactions between humans are rarely as simple as your cartoon posters Firefly.

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@BillRM,

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So you are now part of the sex police and wish to judge members of consenting couples for taking part in sexual behaviors you do not approve of?

no, she is trying to parrot firefly who multiple times has said that my points are not worth considering because I am sexually impure. What she forgets is that most people at A2K are not dummies, they know full well that first the government comes for me for my perversions, and then they will come for you for yours. I will also point out that what I do with my wife is not yet a crime.

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@Arella Mae,

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Seriously, hawkeye is involved in BDSM!

I think that might well color what he views as being sexual aggressiveness or sexual violence. His frame of reference might well be different than the average person--causing him to minimize, or not recognize, what most others might regard as sexual assault or sexual violence--or to justify it as "rough sex". What's normal for him sexually, or what he regards as normal, probably would not be normal for most people.

Viewing violent pornography also seems to have a desensitizing effect on perceptions of sexual violence--people become more accepting of rape, and more accepting of rape myths (like "women enjoy being raped"} after viewing violent porn.

They certainly are big babies. Poor "victimized men"--passing the Kleenex box between the three of them.

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@firefly,

Firefly, you seem to be contradicting yourself. You say that rape is considered "non consensual sex, and you also say that it is possible for someone to be legally to drunk to give consent. Now you say that in the state you live in a woman cannot be charged with rape. So, does that mean that a man is never to drunk to give consent? Amd what about lesbian rape,where one woman forces sex on another woman. Do you support your state law as is, or do you want to see it changed so that women can also be charged with rape?

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@mysteryman,

Mysteryman, I think she is blowing smoke once more as it likely that the laws in her state outlaw such behaviors they are simply limiting the term rape to a narrow part of their sexual assault laws dealings with sex acts concerning the male penis and the woman vagina

She love to blow smoke..................

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@BillRM,

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Now as far as stop meaning stop I can only hope that my wife is not reading this as she would kill me for posting this but it is not uncommon for her to tell me to stop as she can not take it any longer however she in fact means anything but for me to stop.

Moron--you know what your wife means--you apparently know you have her consent.
We are discussing RAPE. Do you worry that your wife is going to accuse you of raping her?

With a woman you don't know well, you better believe her when she says, "No" ir "Stop". If she wants you to continue, she'll let you know that too.

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@Arella Mae,

AM, who is "they" I am posting on this thread also. Does that make me a liar also, because of my gender? I have disagreed with some statements made be everybody on this thread at one time or another. I am sorry if that bothers you, but that does not make me a liar, does it?

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@firefly,

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Do you worry that your wife is going to accuse you of raping her?

He has reason for concern if the law makes him a undiscovered rapist (which under some law I believe that he is, as being right about consent is not the whole of it, this consent must be communicated in the affirmative)...also if such laws as California was trying to pass become the norm,where it is illegal to not report a possible rape.

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@firefly,

Okay they are getting a bit too disgusting for me. It's not normal to even want to pretend to hurt someone else especially someone you love. It's whacked and that person's views are gonna be just as whacked. I have had enough.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

AM, who is "they" I am posting on this thread also. Does that make me a liar also, because of my gender? I have disagreed with some statements made be everybody on this thread at one time or another. I am sorry if that bothers you, but that does not make me a liar, does it?

You have not even come close to "their" level. I find your questions though provoking and interesting. You don't post stuff just to be disgusting like they do. I'm sorry if you thought I meant you because I did not.

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