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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 04:02 pm
Firefly, this is where I have to agree with Bill. Waiting 40 years to make a rape charge is ridiculous. Even if the charge is true, without a confession how do you prove it? I am highly skeptical when someone claims "repressed memories" are involved, because there have been to many times when those memories are proven to be false.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 04:05 pm
@BillRM,
If you dont pay a prostitute, is it rape or shoplifting?
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 04:15 pm
@firefly,
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Your understanding of law is abysmal. Criminal offenses are all very specifically defined by the state. Rape is a CRIME. The law defines it very precisely, as it does all crimes.


Where did you get your law degree Firefly as I am sure as a layperson you would not feel yourself qualify to pass judgment on Hawkeye knowledge of the law?

Oh, were you not the one trying to sell the idea that a woman could not be charge with rape under current laws because she does not have a penis on this thread at one point?

Seem your being a legal expert can not be question!
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 04:29 pm
@mysteryman,
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If you dont pay a prostitute, is it rape or shoplifting?


As her given price was a thousand dollars it would had been a felony however she was in fact rape no question about it and idiot should be lock up and i had not problem with that.

Still why does Firefly feel the need to be dishonest as raping anyone is rape even a call girl so why try to insult everyone by portraying her as someone just doing normal dating on the internet?
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 04:38 pm
@mysteryman,
I do not know if repressed memories was claimed or not in this case the story did not say however at best it was childhood memories from forty years ago.

How many of us can claimed in middle age that our childhood memories of all events at less then ten years of age are either accurate or relievable enough to send someone to prison?
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 04:52 pm
There is a statute of limitations on incest, rape, etc. The only crime there is no statute of limitations on is murder. I doubt anyone is going to go to criminal court over something done 40 years ago simply because the laws do not allow it. I have to admit I didn't read the whole story so maybe I'm missing something.

And firefly, everytime they post THEY LIE!
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 04:53 pm
@BillRM,
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I do not know if repressed memories was claimed or not in this case the story did not say however at best it was childhood memories from forty years ago.

How many of us can claimed in middle age that our childhood memories of all events at less then ten years of age are either accurate or relievable enough to send someone to prison?
the rape feminists have been successful in getting rid of many statues of limitations on sex crimes, something that I dont think has been pointed out in this thread. Given the emotional nature of perceived sexual violation, and the known degree to which emotion warps memory, this taking down the SOL was always highly questionable from a fairness to the defendant's perspective.

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Statutes of limitations are laws that set the maximum amount of time that can pass after a crime is committed before legal action is taken. Statutes may vary by state and crime, and once the time has expired, it is no longer possible to bring about legal action for that offense. Most states have statutes of limitations ranging from five (5) to ten (10) years. In addition, more and more states are beginning to adopt DNA Exceptions to their statutes of limitations, reflecting the increasing use of DNA evidence to identify perpetrators long after a crime has been committed.

If a significant amount of time has passed since the crime occurred, RAINN still strongly encourages reporting the crime to the police. It may be more difficult for the case to be prosecuted, especially if there is a lack of DNA evidence. However, reporting the crime may lead to an arrest, and thus help get another rapist off the streets.

http://www.rainn.org/public-policy/sexual-assault-issues/state-statutes-of-limitations
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 05:00 pm
@firefly,
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A possible future presidential candidate has just found himself embroiled in an ugly incest/rape case because he previously granted this man a pardon. The details are lurid, but that is the reality of incest.


I saw the TV interview with governor Tim Pawlenty over his pardoning of this “gentleman” and agree with him knowing what he knew at the time of the issuing of the pardon as he did was the correct thing.

As far as anyone then knew he was a family man raising his daughter and supporting his wife with a clean record for 15 years.

Helping the man out by granting a pardon not only would be aiding him but aiding his family by taking away the burden of a conviction.

You see the world in simple manner do you not Firefly and of course you have a crystal ball so you knew what no one else did at the time that he was molesting his daughter.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 05:01 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Criminal Prosecutions for Sexual Abuse
For criminal cases, a prosecutor may file a charge of aggravated rape at any time, with no limitation (in California, an aggravated rape is rape that involves a weapon, more than one person, or seriously injures the victim). Prosecution for "normal" sexual assault has a statute of limitations of six years. However, there is an exception made for DNA analysis. Since it is a relatively new technology, if a DNA test can conclusively prove the identity of a rapist, prosecution can take place within one year of the discovery.

In regards to child molestation, there has been a series of great upheavals regarding the statute of limitations in California. In the early 1990s, the legislature passed a bill that retroactively waived the statute of limitations for all crimes of child molestation, meaning even people who were previously immune to prosecution could suddenly be arrested. This law was overturned as unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in a recent case, so now the law's retroactive provision is eliminated.

What remains is a 10 year statute of limitations for child molestation. HOWEVER, the crime can also be prosecuted within one year of WHENEVER a victim tells the police (even past the 10 year mark). This sounds rather contradictory, because this means that the 10 year limitation is essentially pointless, but it is the current law of the land. The California legislature is constantly debating about this, so the law may change in the near future. You should talk to a California attorney familiar with these cases for the most up to date information.

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/california-statute-of-limitations-on-sexual-abuse.html

Wow, that is a loophole large enough to drive a truck through!
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 05:03 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye I believe off hand this case was in the UK not the US and I can not see how DNA evidence would apply in this case can you?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 05:10 pm
@BillRM,
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Hawkeye I believe off hand this case was in the UK not the US and I can not see how DNA evidence would apply in this case can you
The point is that why somebody tells you that the law is XYZ it is a good idea to look see what the loopholes are, and also that we increasingly dont believe in SOL for sex crimes. Me being concerned with mens rights look at this with concern for justice of the accused men.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 05:16 pm
@hawkeye10,
My lord Hawkeye it is open season for males and now you better hope to hell none of your daughters will become mentally unstable into middle age or instead of sitting on a beach somewhere enjoying your retirement you could find yourself in prison with a pedophile label.

Wonder how many innocent men are going to at least be charge under this nonsense for alleged events that had happen more then half a lifetime ago.

It made great headlines for any prosecutor to bring such charges even if he knows they will in the end not fly.
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 05:23 pm
@mysteryman,
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Waiting 40 years to make a rape charge is ridiculous. Even if the charge is true, without a confession how do you prove it?


The man was convicted. He may well have admitted to the incest. At this point, he would be a very old man and might well have accepted responsibility for his crimes.

The case did not involve repressed memories. The woman never forgot the sexual abuse--it went on for years.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 05:36 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

After looking I can not find where Firefly said that the alleged Richmond gang rapers plied the alleged victim with alcohol, I there-for take back that statement, as well as the post predicated on it.


Just one of many that you have committed. You post so much drivel and crap that you can't remember what you read or what you posted. Your credibility ranks in the minus category.
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 05:37 pm
@BillRM,
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Where did you get your law degree Firefly as I am sure as a layperson you would not feel yourself qualify to pass judgment on Hawkeye knowledge of the law?

Oh, were you not the one trying to sell the idea that a woman could not be charge with rape under current laws because she does not have a penis on this thread at one point


Oh, I am quite qualified to pass judgment on Hawkeye's knowledge of the law. It's abysmal. He's already admitted he can't understand the very simple definition of "consent" in his state sexual assault statute. If he doesn't understand "consent"--which his state clearly says is freely willing agreement--he's not only ignorant of the law, he's just plain dumb.

In the state in which I live, a woman cannot be charged with "rape". Nor can a man be charged with rape for non consensual anal penetration of another man. There are other sexual assault offenses that would cover female assaults of males and male assaults of other males.

That's why I have said we must refer to specific state statutes.

The only commonality to all the U.S. state rape laws is that it is non consensual sexual intercourse. And that's true in the U.K. and Australia as well.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 05:52 pm
@firefly,
Yes you are indeed an expert.........on the law Firefly...........however for some reason I seen Hawkeye posted far more details and legal statements/papers then you had done.

With you just for the most part postings one rape story after another where no one had any disagreement that they are rape.

Oh and those cute cartoons surely showing your knowledge of the law.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 05:55 pm
@firefly,
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The case did not involve repressed memories. The woman never forgot the sexual abuse--it went on for years.


And how do you know this as the story you had posted if I recall it correctly did not address the issue one way or another.

Just assuming facts not given?
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 06:02 pm
@hawkeye10,
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The point is that why somebody tells you that the law is XYZ it is a good idea to look see what the loopholes are, and also that we increasingly dont believe in SOL for sex crimes. Me being concerned with mens rights look at this with concern for justice of the accused men.

Why would you look for "loopholes"---except to try to keep a rapist from being held accountable? Loopholes are ways to circumvent the law.

Why should we have a statute of limitations in serious sex crimes? Does the mere passage of time make the crime any less serious? Is the rapist any less guilty 30 years later?

"Men's rights" does not include not being held responsible for crimes. When it comes to crimes, there are no "men's rights" or "women's rights"--there are the "rights of the accused" or the "rights of the defendant", and, sometimes, "victims rights"--gender is irrelevant. Either you are concerned with justice for all in a criminal proceeding, or you're not concerned with justice at all.

And, speaking of gender issues...

Not a single female posting in this thread has said anything about "women being victimized by men".

So, you might as well muzzle all of your "feminist" nonsense.

We have discussed women as crime victims--when they have been raped. Rape is a crime. Women who are raped have been victimized by a rapist.

I don't see women in general as being victimized by men. Not at all. I don't think that being a woman makes one a victim.

On the other hand, you have moaned and groaned about men being victimized by women--over and over--in more than one thread. Since you attribute this to the evil work of the "feminists" you need to imagine they are all around you. Sorry, old boy, I can't see any "feminists" posting in this thread--no one is claiming to be a victim because of their gender--except you, and BillRM and Ionus.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 06:10 pm
@firefly,
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Men's rights" does not include not being held responsible for crimes. When it comes to crimes, there are no "men's rights" or "women's rights"--there are the "rights of the accused" or the "rights of the defendant", and, sometimes, "victims rights"--gender is irrelevant. Either you are concerned with justice for all in a criminal proceeding, or you're not concerned with justice at all.


When the first woman in this country is charge with the sexual assaults of a drunken man over the consent issue then you might had some little grounds to stand on.

As of now you are floating in a large tank of bullshit.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 06:17 pm
@BillRM,
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When the first woman in this country is charge with the sexual assaults of a drunken man over the consent issue then you might had some little grounds to stand on.


Are the men reporting such crimes to the police?

You've already drowned in your own BS.
 

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