Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

She is a psycho out for revenge

I love that even governments or at least the intelligent services of governments seems to be using false rape charges as a way to annoy their enemies as in the Wikeleaks matter.

Man accused of using 'date rape drug'
Incited on four counts of criminal sexual assault
November 19, 2010
By SANFORD J. SCHMIDT
The Telegraph

EDWARDSVILLE - A Madison County grand jury Friday indicted a Troy man on four counts of criminal sexual assault and one count of unauthorized video recording after police became suspicious that he was using GHB, also known as the "date rape drug."

Byron D. Skalisius, 49, was indicted after an investigation of more than two years by the Glen Carbon Police Department.

He was accused of three counts of sexual penetration with a woman on June 7, 2009, "knowing that (the victim) was unable to give knowing consent."

Another count accused him of the same conduct with a different woman on June 1, 2008.

The unauthorized recording count claims he made video photographs of the alleged victim in the June 2009 incident.

Skalisius' bail was set at $300,000.

The case began to unfold on June 8, 2009, when the Glen Carbon Police Department was contacted by an emergency room nurse from Saint Anthony's Hospital in Alton who reported a woman had been treated at that facility on June 7.

The nurse obtained a urine sample from the alleged victim, but original testing showed no presence of GHB, or gamma-hydroxyl-butyric acid.

Later testing, however, showed that there was GHB in her system.

The drug often is used to control people for the purpose of sexual activity, court documents state. The side effects include loss of memory for several hours after ingesting the drug.

The alleged victim reported a complete loss of memory, consistent with the ingestion of GHB.
The drug can be made from recipes obtained online from common household products. Illegal GHB also is shipped through Internet orders, the documents state.

Skalisius and the woman had worked together and had known each other for years, authorities said. He often would go by her house in Glen Carbon, but the relationship was not sexual, the documents state.

The alleged victim told police that they had some drinks on June 7, and Skalisius came by her house to soak in the hot tub with her, as he had before. He made her a rum and Coke, as he had before, but this time he got in the hot tub naked.

From that point on, she had no recollection of what happened until she woke up the next morning with Skalisius in bed with her and performing a digital sexual act with her. She was shocked and was sick the rest of June 8, court documents state.

Police arranged to eavesdrop on a conversation between the alleged victim and Skalisius. He allegedly admitted having sex with the woman but denied giving her a drug.

The indictment came after police obtained search warrants for the defendant's cell phone records, his truck and his home.

The search warrant was executed on the suspect's home on Nov. 9. Police recovered film negatives, developed photos, a plastic bag containing eight white, oblong pills with "SP39" written on them, women's underwear, a video recorder, a computer hard drive and other computer equipment.

The search warrants and the results were suppressed until Skalisius was indicted on Friday.
http://www.thetelegraph.com/news/police-47384-skalisius-victim.html

I have been reading along, interjecting a rare comment on this thread.
I have stated my only criticism of the rape laws, and my reasons.

I have tried to withhold judgement on what Ionus and a feew others have been posting, but this is to much.

Ionus, you just called Elizabeth Smart a

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She is a psycho out for revenge

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Do you really think that?
Did you forget that she was kidnapped, held as a virtual slave, and forced to have sex?
Also did you forget that she was 14 when this all happened.
The man that kidnapped her is now on trial for those crimes.
How is she a psycho for wanting to see justice done?
How is she a psycho when she is the obvious victim?
All of your comments about women and rape do not explain how you can honestly think that Elizabeth Smart is anything other then what she is, the victim of a kidnapping.

Do you honestly think that it was her fault or that she somehow wanted to be kidnapped?

I'm sure the entire trial is very stressful for Elizabeth Smart, but, as you say, she is a strong young woman, and she has a very supportive family. The sooner it's over, the better.

I don't doubt that Mitchell is psychotic and delusional, but that doesn't mean he's legally insane. He understood the nature of his acts and what he was doing when he kidnapped Smart and kept her captive--even if his motivations were influenced by delusions, he knew what he was doing and he knew he was breaking laws, so that would make him legally sane. They have to mount some defense to "excuse" his behavior, but I don't think he will get off on insanity.

Actually, even if the jury finds him not guilty by reason of insanity, he's not going anywhere, he'll be locked up for the rest of his life. An insanity verdict automatically sends him to a hospital for the criminally insane and he'll stay there until he is deemed no longer a danger to society--in his case, that will be the rest of his life because they can't take a chance on letting him loose. Those hospitals are notorious hell holes, so it's not as though he'd be in a better place than jail. And, if he goes to prison, he'll be in a mental health unit and get the same medication he would in a hospital, so I don't think it matters where they put him, as long as they put him away for good--and that's definitely going to happen, no matter what the verdict is.

How do you know they are false?

Date rape drugs are still being used to incapacitate women

In the Boston area, medical advocates can be summoned when a rape victim goes to a hospital, or calls BARCC's 24-hour hotline. The advocate is there to ensure that the victim, who is likely distressed, is aware of and has access to all the resources she requires, such as emotional support, emergency contraception, or STD testing. The advocate also notes what kind of treatment the survivor requests.

This data, collected by BARCC rape-crisis counselors, shows that last year 68 women requested a toxicology report after being raped, indicating that they believed drugs may have played a role in their assault.

Of the women who made the request, "there has been little use of alcohol," says Lucia Zuniga, director of the Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner (SANE) program, which has sexual-assault medical experts on call to respond to rape cases at local hospitals. (SANE nurses collect detailed information that can be used later as evidence if a woman decides to press charges.) "But the victim has a period of unresponsiveness, unconsciousness, or amnesia," Zuniga says. "They know something is different."

Still, not one of those 68 toxicology reports turned up any GHB or Rohypnol, says Zuniga. There were, however, traces of toxins that could be used as date-rape drugs, but are not commonly associated with the slickness of the crime, such as Ketamine (otherwise known as "K," a horse tranquilizer that acts as a sedative), Benadryl (high doses of this allergy drug can induce serious drowsiness), and copious amounts of alcohol. ("Alcohol is the number-one agent used in these settings to create sedation," she says, and the number-one substance that comes back on toxicology reports.) It's impossible to say whether any other drugs were present

Young women in Northern Ireland are leaving themselves vulnerable to rape or serious sexual assault because of their binge drinking, according to research carried out by staff and students within the Forensic and Legal Medicine team at the University of Ulster.


Dr Janet Hall undertook a Masters research project with supervisors Dr Tara Moore and Professor Edward Goodall on drug facilitated sexual assault within Northern Ireland. They examined toxicology results compiled from victims of alleged sexual assaults over a six year period from 1999 to 2005. The findings demonstrated that the average alcohol levels at the time of the alleged assaults were almost three times the drink/driving limit.

The research undermines claims that the use of ‘date-rape’ drugs or ‘spiking’ of drinks is the major factor involved. The study failed to find any trace of specific date rape drugs such as GHB, Rohypnol or ketamine, although it did caution that delays in reporting alleged assaults or in taking samples could mean that such drugs could no longer be detected.

TYPICAL DRUG DETECTION/CLEARANCE TIMES


Alcohol MIN 0-4 hours MAX<=6-8 hours

Rohypnol MIN 1 hour MAX< =8 hours

GHB MIN1 hour MAX< =8 hours

SUMMARY OF THE MAJOR FINDINGS
1. Micro-plate enzyme immunoassay method allows to detect flunitrazepam and related
compounds in urine at least up to 5 days after administration of a single dose of Rohypnol®
(like in drug-facilitated sexual assault scenarios). This significant increase in the detection
time interval is possible if the enzymatic hydrolysis of urine and solid-phase extraction are
applied. We recommend micro-plate enzyme immunoassay as a preliminary screening
technique of urine in toxicological investigation of drug-facilitated sexual assault when use
of benzodiazepines is expected.
2. Application of solid-phase extraction and highly sensitive gas chromatography - mass
spectrometry with negative ion monitoring chemical ionization allows to detect 7-
aminoflunitrazepam, flunitrazepam major metabolite, in urine 14 days after administration
of a single dose of Rohypnol®. The maximum concentration of 7-aminoflunitrazepam in
urine was observed 6 to 24 hours after administration of a single dose of Rohypnol®.
3. The concentrations of 7-aminoflunitrazepam in hair are much higher than concentrations of
the parent drug, flunitrazepam. The metabolite remains in hair for at least one month after
administration of a single dose of Rohypnol®. There is no correlation between dose of
Rohypnol® and concentration of both compounds in hair.
4. We conclude that the 7-aminoclonazepam is being deposited in hair in much higher
quantities than the parent drug and remains there for extended periods of time.
5. The new technology allows to detect the other compounds such as diazepam, alprazolam,
triazolam, and ketamine in hair in very low concentrations.

The Drink Detective looks for traces of the three most commonly used groups of drug- rape drugs: Benzodiazepines (including Rohypnol, Valium and Xanax), GHB (gamma-hydroxyl-butyrate), and ketamine. The Drink Detective is the first test that will detect the presence of three drug types in a wide range of drinks; and will detect them at quantities that can incapacitate you.

No one expects a woman to test every drink. In fact, we recommend using the Drink Detective only in two circumstances: if you have a reason to suspect that your drink has been spiked or if you have a stronger than expected reaction to a drink. The drugs take about 20 minutes to incapacitate you and if you find that a drink has been spiked, you would have time to get help—either from a friend or from bar staff who could call the police and ensure that you were not left alone until you got to safety.

If everyone carried a Drink Detective when drinking—in public or at a private event, drink spikers would think twice about carrying out their foul crime. Deterrence is the key.

She is a psycho out for revenge

His judgment of Elizabeth Smart is so off the wall, it's just absurd--

Police say date rape drug used
November 28, 2010

A 21-year-old woman was likely the victim of a date rape drug before she was abducted and sexually assaulted by an off-duty cabbie driving his taxi Friday night, police said.

Attempting to send their friend home safely from the Junction nightclub, a group of women put the woman into a Call-A-Cab taxi at about 12:40 a.m. Saturday, police said.

The woman was intoxicated and police believe she had her drink drugged at some point in the night.

Arrangements were made with the driver to send the woman home, but she never arrived, police said.

Instead, police said, the cab driver took the woman to his home and sexually assaulted her in what police said was an opportunistic crime.

"(The friends) thought they did the right thing in putting her in the cab and sending her home, however, the person who was driving the cab took advantage of the situation," Det. Sgt. Deb Gillis said. "Normally we don't see that. Normally it's whoever puts the drug in the drink will keep watch and is the one that will commit the sexual assault."

The woman woke up the next day in the cab driver's home having little memory of the evening's events, Gillis said.

"This victim remembers being at the bar and remembers drinking a drink and then she remembers getting up in the morning," Gillis said.

She left the driver's home and went to the Peterborough Regional Health Centre for an examination and blood tests, police said.

"She has no long-lasting physical injuries but she is dealing with the psychological effects," Gillis said.

The cab driver, Cameron Duncan, 46, of Gillespie Ave., was arrested Sunday and charged with abduction and sexual assault.

Duncan made a brief appearance in court Monday. He remains in custody while his case was put over to Tuesday for a bail hearing.

Crown attorney Paul Murray said he would be fighting Duncan's bail release.

Police said Duncan had officially booked off duty shortly after 9 p.m. Friday but was still using his taxi.

Call-A-Cab owner Michael Connelly said he was shocked and dismayed to hear the allegations against his own driver.

"I'm deeply disturbed that this has happened," he said. "We have been in business for 60 some years and we have never had an incident like this."

Connelly fears it will put a black stain on the local taxi industry, businesses that he said are supposed to offer people safe rides home.

"It certainly hurts the industry. The whole system is meant to be a safe haven," he said.

Call-A-Cab does background checks regularly on their employees and prospective drivers must go through police security checks before obtaining a taxi licence, Connelly said.

Saturday's assault marks an alarming increase in the number of sexual assaults connected to date rape drugs, Gillis said.

It is the fifth incident in the past 15 months where police have charged a person with sexual assault when it is suspected a drug may have been used, police said.

In each case it has been a man accused of drugging a woman, either at a bar or house party, Gillis said.

There are other unsolved cases relating to date rape drugs such as GHB as well, she said.

Police believe another woman, who arrived home safely, was also drugged at the Junction Friday night.

"We are becoming alarmed at the increased frequency of these reports," Gillis said.

In most of the five previous cases the drug of choice was GHB, Gillis said, which cannot be seen or tasted in a victim's drink.

"You can't taste it or smell it... and you only need a capful," she said. "As soon as it is absorbed into your system, you lose any form of long-term memory so you have no recollection at all of what has happened."

Karen Basciano, public educa-tion co-ordinator at the Kawartha Sexual Assault Centre, said drug-induced sexual assaults are likely much more common than most people think but they often go unreported.

"This has been going on in Peterborough for at least five to seven years," she said. Women have to be their own watchdogs and keep an eye out for each other, she said.

When at a party or a bar, women need to be responsible for their drink at all times and not let those they don't know provide drinks for them, she said.

"I would only take a drink from my best close friend," she said. "Often times people are putting their safety in other's hands."

Gillis said there is always safety in numbers and women should have a buddy system when they go out in groups to ensure everyone gets home safely.

Junction owner Jim Kak-ouros said his staff receive training each year about the dangers of date rape drugs. His staff is always on the lookout for patrons who appear to be drugged, but he said it takes mere seconds to spike a drink, so it's difficult to prevent.
http://www.thepeterboroughexaminer.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2868225

A 21-year-old woman was likely the victim of a date rape drug before she was abducted and sexually assaulted by an off-duty cabbie driving his taxi Friday night, police said.

Recreational drug
Although rohypnol has become widely known in USA for its use as a date-rape drug, it is used more frequently as a recreational drug. It is used by high school and college students, rave party attendees, and heroin and cocaine users (who call a dose of rohypnol a "roofie") for recreational purposes, including:

•To produce profound intoxication (Kurt Cobain overdosed on a mixture of rohypnol and champagne several weeks before his death).
•To boost the high produced by heroin, or ease the anxiety and/or sleeplessness of withdrawal.
•To counteract the side effects of stimulants (e.g. insomnia, paranoia, jitteriness).
•To "soften" the so-called "crash" which follows heavy usage of stimulants, such as cocaine or methamphetamine.
•To improve sex drive and appetite.
Rohypnol is usually consumed orally, and is often combined with alcohol. It is also occasionally insufflated (i.e. tablets are crushed into powder and snorted). In some European countries, there was an alcohol solution of rohypnol (Darkene), taken by injection, with very strong effects.

Even if this woman had date rape drug in her the fact the no guy stuck around to take advantage argues strongly that she put them in herself willingly. Also, the cab driver would have had no knowledge of this, so to say that he committed a crime is a huge jump, making this jump is not made more tolerable by calling it an "opportunistic crime".

Her friends may have gotten her out of the bar before the culprit who spiked her drink could take advantage of her. The police also believe that another woman at the same bar that night was also drugged.

Your logic isn't even consistent. If she wanted sex with the cabbie, why should it be a "hard luck lesson to the woman"? Where's the "hard luck" if the sex was consensual?