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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 07:08 am
@firefly,
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The sexual assault laws do protect male victims of sexual assaults/rapes.
So instead of going on and on about how pitiful women are why dont you address the real issue of rape in prison ? Because it is only men and who cares about them, right ?

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The laws do not define post-decision "regret" as rape.
Exactly how do you think the law will distinguish between the two ? Whilst the emotional propaganda like you have been circulating is the current fashion ?

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Men have the power NOT TO RAPE.
Women have the power NOT TO LIE.

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Men accused of rape routinely lie and claim consent was present when, in fact, consent had not been given.
Women for the reasons I posted routinely lie and claim they were raped when, in fact, consent had been given.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 07:10 am
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12/3/01

BRIEF ACCOUNT OF BEING FALSELY ACCUSED OF RAPE

Professor Michael Patterson

(Note: I wrote an email to Professor Patterson in order to ask him a few questions about his experience. And his reply follows this article by him.)


In 1991 I was a well respected, well liked lecturer in Theatre at the University of Ulster in Coleraine, Northern Ireland. On 21st June I was arrested in front of my 80 year old mother, interrogated over several hours, charged with rape and buggery, photographed and fingerprinted, and locked in a cell at the police station.

Fortunately, I was released on bail the following day but was suspended from my post and banned from setting foot on the campus. The sole reason for all this was because one of my students, with whom I had never had any physical contact, had claimed that I had viciously assaulted, raped and buggered her four and a half months previously in my office at the university, on a busy corridor at midday.

There was (and could not be) any forensic evidence (although she did later produce a bra, which police discovered had been cut not torn…). The only evidence was her statement. Since she had already sought attention by claiming to have been beaten up by other students, and stating that she suffered from a hole in the heart, leukaemia and breast cancer, one might have imagined that her veracity in this case would have been doubted.

Further, her statement was full of inconsistencies and improbabilities: she was supposedly gagged by me but then forced to commit fellatio, I allegedly orgasmed in her vagina, then turned her over and immediately penetrated her anus (hardly likely for a man in his fifties), I supposedly placed my whole hand in her vagina, and, despite allegedly having her clothes torn off her, being raped, buggered, punched and kicked, she made her way unseen by anyone at a busy time of day to her room in the University and then went out shopping with friends.

While I was suspended from the University, she was not only allowed to stay on but was assured that she would not suffer any ill consequences for alleging this rape. Her anonymity was protected, mine was not. The police conducted enquiries over several months, which seemed to focus solely on an attempt to prove me guilty (the best that they could come up with was that I wore leather clothing – I rode a motorbike to work – and that once I was seen to sweat when talking to students).

My only defence was that it did not happen: it is impossible to prove a negative. I had to appear in court once a month ‘to answer bail’, she never once had to enter a court. Since part of my bail conditions were that I was to have no contact with what was laughingly called ‘the injured party’, she could at any time have invented a new lie that I had threatened her, and so could have caused me to be re-arrested and retained on remand. I was forced to move away to England, far away from my family, and obliging me to place my mother in an old people’s home.

After seven months of this continuing nightmare, she went to the police with further allegations: that I had not just raped her once but several times, including ‘under the steps of the University’. She was then interviewed in person by the DPP, and they directed that charges against me should be dropped. In March 1992 I appeared before the magistrates for the last time and was simply told that I was free to go.

A good woman friend who was prepared to organise such a meeting was warned by a women’s group that she should no longer associate with me.

I was reinstated at the University, but some students, understandably believing the stories that she was able to invent in my absence, considered the outcome to be a ‘white-wash’, boycotted my classes, circulated a leaflet denouncing me, threatened to slash the tires of my motorbike, etc. I offered to meet openly with students to discuss my case in any forum they chose. A good woman friend who was prepared to organise such a meeting was warned by a women’s group that she should no longer associate with me. The University took away all my managerial duties and refused my promotion to Professor, which had been virtually promised me.

In November 1993 I was appointed to a Professorship at De Montfort University in Leicester, even though the interview panel were well aware of the allegations that had been made against me. I cannot emphasise enough how lucky I was to encounter an enlightened institution which was prepared to give me the benefit of the doubt; for, despite my eminence in my field, all previous applications for posts – even for one for which I had been previously head-hunted – were turned down without explanation. I was, however, now separated from my family by many miles and the Irish Sea, and my partner (who can blame her?) was now seeing another man.

After some months in my new post I was served with a civil writ, once again alleging rape. My accuser, who had transferred to Manchester University after my return to the University of Ulster, had begun to stage epileptic fits. When a scan proved that she was not epileptic, she was referred to a psychiatrist, who diagnosed ‘post-traumatic stress disorder’ as a result of the ‘rape’ and who urged her to pursue the matter in the civil courts.

She was awarded legal aid to conduct her action, while it was to cost me well over £10,000. I was repeatedly offered the opportunity to pay off my accuser, and indeed it would have been cheaper to have done so, but I could not have lived with myself if I had taken this easy way out. Far from supporting me in any way, the University insisted that I should be personally liable for any damages to them resulting from the action. To this day she is protected by anonymity; I, who have been declared innocent by both the criminal and civil courts, had articles written about me in the press (admittedly all favourable – but nevertheless a strain on my family).

When, after more years of this living nightmare, the case finally came to court in May 1998, she did not even appear. The case was dropped and costs awarded against her. This was meaningless, since someone who is legally aided does not have to pay any costs.

Despite what I went through, I regard myself as very lucky. I am now very happily married, have a good job, and, although relations with my ex-partner remain strained, I have a good relationship with my children.

I am neither bitter nor angry, but for the sake of the many men who have been or will be falsely accused of rape, I wish to ask the following:

Why are innocent men named, while their lying accusers remain anonymous?

If it is important to name men so that women who have been raped by them will come forward, is it not also important to name women who have made false accusations in the past, so that men can come forward?

Why, in a modern democracy, is a totally uncorroborated statement by one person with no forensic evidence whatsoever regarded as sufficient grounds for arrest and imprisonment?

Why is a man accused of rape regarded as guilty until proved innocent?

Why is a man accused of rape regarded as guilty until proved innocent?

If the authorities award legal aid to a false rape accuser, why are they not liable for costs when it becomes clear that their judgment was at fault?

Why should a woman, who has put a man at risk of years of imprisonment through her lies, not face a similar prospect by being charged with wasting police time and, in an ideal world, of committing the offence of False Rape Allegation? (In the case, like mine, of a woman who was probably mentally disturbed rather than malicious, enforced counselling rather than imprisonment might be more appropriate)

Professor Michael Patterson
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 07:14 am
Another "acquaintance" rape--and another conviction, and confession, for first degree forcible rape. He didn't bother with consent, he just took what he wanted--that's rape.

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Rapist's refusal to apologize leads to longer sentence in Wappinger case
Emily Stewart
Poughkeepsie Journal
November 30, 2010

A 57-year-old Ecuadorean man who raped a 23-year-old woman in her Town of Wappinger apartment was sentenced to 10 years in state prison after he would not apologize to the victim in court Monday.

Hector Sancho-Hernandez of the Chelsea Ridge Apartments in the Town of Wappinger will be deported after serving his sentence.

Sancho-Hernandez entered a guilty plea in Dutchess County Court on Sept. 15 to first-degree rape, a felony. He acknowledged he entered the woman's apartment around 8:30 p.m. July 17, 2009, pushed her onto the couch and forced her to have sexual intercourse. In exchange for his plea, he was promised a sentence of no more than 10 years in state prison.

Dutchess County Assistant District Attorney Kristine Hawlk read the victim-impact statement for the woman who stood next to her, tears coming down her face.

In the statement, the victim said her now year-and-a-half old baby was present when the rape occurred. The baby had just undergone open-heart surgery and was suffering from congestive heart failure.
"This woman was home alone in her apartment with her newborn son," said Hawlk, who called the case "every woman's worst nightmare."

Hawlk said the victim rebuffed Sancho-Hernandez the first time he showed up at her door. This time, he showed up to give her a small gift bag. She opened the door just wide enough to see who was outside, while balancing her son and keeping a foot on the door, Hawlk said.

Hawlk said the victim knew if she dropped the child, in his condition, it could kill him, so she made the decision to turn and place the baby in a safe place. While she did that, Sancho-Hernandez entered her apartment and raped her, Hawlk said.

"She made the ultimate sacrifice as a mother and saved her son, and faced the consequences herself," Hawlk said. "He went to the door, he didn't get want he wanted, and he took it."

Hawlk asked the court to sentence Sancho-Hernandez to 10 years in prison and 20 years post-release supervision.

Sol Lesser, the lawyer for Sancho-Hernandez, said, it "leaves one in a quandary" how this man could have committed this crime.

Lesser said his client grew up in Ecuador, where he came from a well-to-do family. He married, received a bachelor of science degree, went to law school, was a "superior athlete" and raised three children.

"He did everything he could to better the lives of others," Lesser said.
While the event "clearly occurred," his client did not go to the woman's home to cause trouble, Lesser said.
"Whether he was rebuffed or not, in his mind, it was not so," he said. "His actions have affected the lives of two families. … There's no excuse for that."

Lesser asked the judge to take into account his client's age and poor health and said he would be "fodder" in state prison.
"He's going to have a tough time just surviving," Lesser said.

Sancho-Hernandez spoke through a translator.
"I want to thank God at this difficult time in my life," he said. "I hope to be out to be with my family very soon. Especially my children and my adored grandson. And may God bless you, Your Honor.
"I want to ask forgiveness of my daughters. They supported me at ever minute, at every step," he said.

Lesser whispered to Sancho-Hernandez that he should apologize to the victim, but he did not.

"This is an inexplicable case in many ways," Hayes said. "You apparently did a lot of positive things in your life, Mr. Sancho-Hernandez."

Hayes said he came in with the idea to sentence Sancho-Hernandez to a little less than the 10-year maximum, but was convinced otherwise because Sancho-Hernandez refused to apologize to the victim.
"Mr. Lesser suggested you might want to do that," Hayes said.

As Sancho-Hernandez was taken away, a woman sitting in the courtroom, crying, yelled, "Dad, we love you."
Then, as she left the room, she shouted an expletive at the victim.

http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/article/20101130/NEWS05/11300321/Rapist-s-refusal-to-apologize-leads-to-longer-sentence-in-Wappinger-case
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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 07:22 am
No matter what any drama queen may claim, Rape is drastically overstated but most law makers dont have the balls to go against the libbie lobby.

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False Allegations
Wrongful Accusations of Rape

May 14, 2007 Karen Stephenson

Men falsely accused of rape destroy reputations. False allegations occur at an alarming rate. There is no justice for the false accusers.

Rape has several meanings, the lesser known being to seize, take or carry by force; or an act of violation, abuse or plunder. Having that clarification, it can be stated that when men are falsely accused of rape, they become a victim of rape. Their reputation and life as they once knew it has been forcibly seized and emotionally, they have been abused and violated.

False Accusations Exist

In a study that span nine years, sociologist Eugene J. Kanin’s findings were that in the United States, 41% of rape allegations are false. Kanin discovered that most of the false accusers were motivated by a need for an alibi or seeking revenge. Kanin was once popular and highly praised by the feminist movement for his groundbreaking research on male sexual aggression. His studies on false rape accusations have received very little interest.



Read more at Suite101: False Allegations: Wrongful Accusations of Rape
http://www.suite101.com/content/false-allegations-a21219#ixzz16lte4b7O
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 09:06 am
Grandma is not safe from the possibility of sexual assault--this man, in fact, seems to prefer more elderly victims--the more vulnerable, the better.
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Man admits trying to rape elderly woman
John Vega faces three cases in which he's charged with trying to rape women in their 70s
November 15, 2010
By Kevin Amerman
THE MORNING CALL

A Washington Township man admitted Monday to tackling a 77-year-old woman in her Schnecksville home and sexually assaulting her, causing serious injuries.

John Anthony Vega, 27, pleaded guilty in Lehigh County Court to aggravated assault, attempted rape and aggravated indecent assault.

Vega, who appeared in court shackled and wearing an orange prison jumpsuit, faces a maximum sentence of 15 to 30 years in prison under his plea deal.

He faces similar cases in Northampton and Carbon counties, where in each he's also accused of trying to rape a woman in her 70s.

In the Lehigh County case, Chief Deputy District Attorney Matthew Falk said the victim returned to her Schnecksville home after walking her dog around 8 a.m. on Nov. 9, 2008, to find her underwear strewn around her bedroom and hanging off plants. She tried to get out of the house, but was tackled by Vega, who attempted to handcuff the woman and told her he was going to rape her.

He threw her face-down on a couch, pulled off her pants and underwear and began to assault her, Falk said.

Vega abruptly stopped and ran out of the house when the woman told him, "This is like raping your mother or grandmother," the prosecutor said.

Falk said the injures forced the victim into the hospital for a week and caused other medical complications.

Vega was arrested a month later after witness clues and DNA evidence linked him to the scene.

Vega is scheduled to be sentenced by Judge Robert L. Steinberg in February.
http://articles.mcall.com/2010-11-15/news/mc-schnecksville-elderly-woman-rape-20101115_1_john-anthony-vega-indecent-assault-elderly-woman


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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 09:32 am
http://osocio.org/images/uploads/dontbethatguy_pic2.jpg
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 10:13 am
@firefly,
You have more patience than I do. "They" do not care one iota about anyone being raped, much less elderly women. I make that statement based on all of their comments and their obvious lack of compassion.

Those that bark against the laws the loudest are normally the street dogs that are breaking it.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 10:37 am
@Arella Mae,
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"They" do not care one iota about anyone being raped, much less elderly women.

I agree, and that is abundantly evident.

But I do care, and those are real rape victims in those news stories. It's important to focus on the reality of the crime of rape and ignore the nonsense those fools are posting.

My patience is for the topic.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 11:12 am
@firefly,
I do admire your patience and commitment. I just click them away. It is good to read that positive things are being done about rape and other crimes. As long as one person cares then something can be accomplished.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 11:41 am
When someone is really insane and commits a crime, they don't think they have done anything wrong and they don't try to cover it up. He and his wife did everything they could to keep from being found with Elizabeth. I am not buying this "insanity defense" and hope the jury doesn't either.

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Utah kidnapping suspect's medical problem prompts trial delayBy the CNN Wire StaffNovember 30, 2010 12:23 p.m. EST

(CNN) -- The federal trial of Brian David Mitchell, charged in connection with the 2002 kidnapping of Utah teenager Elizabeth Smart, was halted Tuesday after Mitchell suffered a medical problem in court, according to CNN affiliate KSTU.

KSTU posted a picture on its website of Mitchell, wearing an oxygen mask, sitting on a stretcher as he was being loaded into an ambulance.

Mitchell, as usual, began singing when he was led into the courtroom Tuesday: "O Holy Night," KSTU reported. U.S. District Judge Dale Kimball began the proceedings by raising an issue in a note sent from jurors. As Kimball asked for jurors to be brought in, Mitchell began to wail and dropped to the floor, KSTU said. Defense attorney Wendy Lewis told Kimball, "He's having a seizure, your honor."

An ambulance was called, and paramedics came into the courthouse to examine Mitchell, according to KSTU.

"The judge told the jury that an issue had come up and the trial would be suspended today," Melodie Rydalch, spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney in Utah, said in an e-mail.

Kimball told jurors the trial would resume Wednesday, KSTU reported.

Mitchell, 57, faces charges of kidnapping and unlawful transportation of a minor across state lines in Smart's abduction. Then 14, she was kidnapped from her bedroom in her family's Salt Lake City, Utah, home. Nine months later, she was found in the company of Mitchell -- a drifter and self-described "prophet" who called himself Immanuel -- and his wife, Wanda Barzee.

Mitchell's trial resumed Monday after taking last week off. Barzee earlier testified as a defense witness.

Defense attorneys are mounting an insanity defense for Mitchell, hoping to prove that mental illness clouded his mind to such a degree that he did not understand that his actions were wrong when he abducted and held Smart.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 04:19 pm
@firefly,
You mean some fool woman was driving so damn drunk that she did not know where she was and in so doing placing the lives of men, woman and children at risk on our roadways.

A crime that placed lives at great risk and yet we should feel sorry for this asshole if some other asshole performed a sex act on her?

Poor little girl so what if she could had kill a whole innocent family on the highway as to you Firefly the important part of the story is that someone had sex with her when she was intoxicated.




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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 04:21 pm
@firefly,
At least the drunken woman on the couch was not behind a damn wheel of a car placing everyone life at risk!

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Oylok
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 05:16 pm
@BillRM,
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Firefly is all emotions and almost zero logic.


Unsubstantiated nonsense.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 05:51 pm
@Oylok,
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Unsubstantiated nonsense.


Oh? you have the nerve to post this after Firefly had just posted a story where her only concern is that someone had preform a sex act on a woman who was blind drunk and yet driving around on the roadways therefore placing everyone sharing the highway with her at risk of dying?
Oylok
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 06:05 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Oh? you have the nerve to post this after Firefly had just posted a story where her only concern is that someone had preform a sex act on a woman who was blind drunk and yet driving around on the roadways therefore placing everyone sharing the highway with her at risk of dying?


In a thread about rape and sexual assault, to concern oneself with DUI would be a digression. Someone who commits DUI does not "ask to be raped." The rape against that woman was still a crime. Emotion seems to be clouding your reason.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 06:06 pm
@Oylok,
Billy doesn't let facts and reason get in the way of his rants.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 06:09 pm
@Oylok,
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Someone who commits DUI does not "ask to be raped." The rape against that woman was still a crime. Emotion seems to be clouding your reason.


A family driving on the highway with this fool is not asking to be place at risk by her of being kill either a far more serous matter in my opinion then if the fool have a sex act preform on her or not.

Of all the possible bad outcomes her action of driving blind drunk having a sex act perform on her is one of the least of them.

Something you and Firefly are so morally blind that you can not see.
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Oylok
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 06:24 pm
@Intrepid,
Intrepid wrote:
Billy doesn't let facts and reason get in the way of his rants.


No kidding.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 06:29 pm
@Intrepid,
Quote:
Billy doesn't let facts and reason get in the way of his rants.


You mean the fact that the asshole was on the highways blind drunk and therefore placing every damn person sharing that highway at risk of dying or being cripple for life?

As a said before of all the possible bad outcomes that her actions might had produce having another asshole performing a sex act on her is minor.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2010 06:43 am
This seems to be a rather typical domestic partner rape--hopefully it will be the last abuse this woman will have to suffer at the hands of this man. Spousal and domestic partner rape is a very real problem, and this man admitted that the sex was not consensual.
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Local allegedly raped girlfriend
Staff report
November 28, 2010

Ouachita Parish sheriff's deputies arrested a Monroe man after he reportedly raped his girlfriend of eight years.

Timothy Scott Butler, 26, 183 Gibbs Addison Road, was booked on forcible rape and aggravated abuse battery.

According to police reports, Butler and the victim got into an argument that turned physical when the victim refused to have sex with him.

The victim reportedly told deputies that she and Butler have been together for eight years and have three children together.

The victim said Butler pushed her to the floor four times during one of the arguments and had her arms pinned behind her head while she was lying on the bed, reports stated.

The victim said some time later she was awakened by Butler who told her that "he has to have it, and he is going to take it."
Butler reportedly attempted to initiate sex with the victim.

The victim told deputies she asked Butler to stop.
He refused and flipped her on her back and began to have sex with her, reports stated.

The victim asked Butler, again, to stop, and as she tried to kick Butler off, he bit her. Deputies noted that the victim had physical evidence of resisting the assault.

Butler reportedly told deputies he pushed the victim and had sex with her after she told him "no" but said he stopped after she hit him and he bit her.
Butler, who has a criminal history of aggravated second-degree battery with a gun, was sent to the Ouachita Correctional Center for booking.

Bond has not been set.
http://www.thenewsstar.com/article/20101128/NEWS01/11280319
 

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