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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 11:22 am
@Intrepid,
Doesnt matter if he did or not.
If he was drunk he cant legally give consent.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 11:38 am
@mysteryman,
I still want an answer from him.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 12:17 pm
@firefly,
This case in the nursing home is indeed very tragic. Even though I don't believe the man can be held accountable, nor should he since he suffers from dementia, I do believe the nursing home should be held accountable. I have worked in nursing homes where the patients had dementia. You really cannot put much past them. They don't know what they are doing and must be watched constantly. Leaving a patient with dementia alone is very dangerous for others and the patient. It is so sad that people care so little they would allow something like that to happen.
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 12:20 pm
When a group of young teens use a gun to threaten and facillitate the rapes of vulnerable females, it is difficult not to regard these as adult acts and the boys as dangerous predatory individuals--despite their age. If charged as adults, they will likely face lengthy prison sentences, and that decision rests with the D.A. The only fortunate aspect of this case is that they were apprehended relatively quickly.
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4th teen arrested in Minneapolis sexual assaults
Staff report
11/27/2010


Minneapolis police have arrested a fourth suspect in a pair of brazen sexual assaults that took place Wednesday night.

Three were arrested Wednesday and the fourth was apprehended Friday night, said police spokesman Sgt. Jesse Garcia. Police are not looking for anymore suspects.

The four boys in custody — ages 14, 14, 15 and 16 — could face felony charges of robbery and criminal sexual conduct, though charges are still pending, Garcia said.

The first of the assaults happened about 6:30 p.m. in Powderhorn Park in South Minneapolis. It started as a robbery and escalated into rape, according to police.

A mother was skiing through the snowy park with her 13-year-old daughter and 10-year-old son when five juvenile males accosted them.

One was armed with a handgun, police said.

Two of the boys raped the mother and threatened to rape the daughter, but the mother "basically says that's not going to happen," police Sgt. William Palmer said Friday.

The boys then ran off.

Minneapolis police and park police responding to the scene followed the boys' footprints for almost three hours before coming to a house in the 3200 block of Bloomington Avenue South.

Behind the house, officers found three of the boys from the park in the midst of sexually assaulting two girls, ages 16 and 18.

The girls had been near East 33rd Street and Bloomington earlier when the boys confronted them and forced them, at gunpoint, into a garage, Palmer said.

Police arrested the three boys and recovered a handgun, Palmer said. Investigators then began looking for other suspects.
http://www.twincities.com/ci_16723569


BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 12:42 pm
@firefly,
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It really makes one wonder why there is any male protest in this thread about only having fully consensual sex?


No one here have any problem with getting consent before sex we do have one hell of a problem that after the fact a woman can claimed her consent was not valid because of a state she had cheerfully and voluntary place herself in therefore her male partner should be lock up for twenty years of so.

We do have a problem with men being lock up for rape if it take longer then 7 seconds to reacted to the consent being cancel during the very act of intercourse.

We do have a problem that if any pressure was placed on the woman for sex that have nothing to do with force or threat of force would invalidate the consent.

Such pressures as you need to move out of my home for example or even we will have to break up.

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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 01:05 pm
It is very heartening that services to victims of rape are being expanded and coordinated in order to provide the enhanced support and real assistance that will help these individuals recover and deal with the aftermath of their sexual assaults.

These two articles describe such victim service centers--one in the U.S. and one in the U.K.

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Mon Nov 29, 2010
Aftermath of rape: A portal to help victims
by Nancy McCleary

At age 69, Pat was raped and beaten in her home. It has been a struggle for her to get the assistance she needs to cope and recover from the incident.

Pat spent weeks recovering from injuries she received when she was beaten and raped.

Then, her Medicare coverage maxed out, forcing her out of a rehabilitation center.

Pat, who was 69 at the time, had little money, no one to turn to and nowhere to go.

Pat, like so many other victims of sexual and domestic crimes, simply disappeared, vanishing into a void that claims those who grow frustrated while trying to get help.

The Fayetteville Observer does not identify or picture victims of sexual assaults or rapes. But Pat wanted to share her story and agreed to use her first name and allow her picture to appear with this story.

Four years later, Pat is getting the assistance she needed, thanks to Fayetteville police Detective Kellie Berg.

And Berg is working to set up a Family Justice Center to see that others don't end up like Pat.

"It's a portal for victims," Berg said.

Victims of rape and domestic violence are often shuttled to different agencies to get counseling, financial services and to prepare for court hearings, Berg said.

Victims become overwhelmed at having to visit so many agencies and having to re-tell their story over and over, she said.

A justice center can bring together under one roof the counselors, prosecutors, law enforcement, social workers and those from other agencies that assist crime victims, Berg said.

"Nothing is worse than a victim trying to go it alone through the process," she said.

The idea is to keep victims from disappearing through the cracks as Pat did.

Pat's assault
Four years ago, Pat was preparing to move out of the house that had been her parents.

At age 69, she found that her meager income wouldn't be enough to pay taxes on the property and she had begun looking for a mobile home.

The new owner of the house hired workers to do renovations and repairs so Pat thought nothing was unusual when one of them knocked on her door that Saturday night. The worker said he had forgotten some tools, so Pat let him inside.

Nothing in her life would ever be the same.

Minutes later, Pat said, the man grabbed her wrists and shoved her down the hallway to her bedroom.

He beat her, raped her repeatedly, threw her on the floor causing a permanent injury to her back.

Pat said she knew he was going to kill her.

"At one point he tried to choke me and I said, 'Lord, I'm coming home,' " she said.

He sat on her chest until she could hardly breathe.

Pat said she thinks the attack lasted an hour.

"I had no concept of time."

But she did have training that enabled her to get through the ordeal.

In 1970, Pat found the rooms of Alcoholics Anonymous, which led her to volunteer with Contact of Fayetteville, a phone-counseling service for those in need.

Through that affiliation, she said, she had received specialized training to assist rape victims who called in seeking help.

The techniques came to her during the attack.

"While he was beating and raping me, God was telling me don't fight him, listen to your training," Pat said.

When the attacker was done, he had Pat sit in a recliner and used packing tape to bind her feet together. He crossed her arms in front of her body and taped her wrists together.

"He looked at me ... got up and walked away," Pat said.

After about 30 minutes of silence, Pat - using her teeth - managed to grab a piece of the tape around her wrists.

She continued gnawing until she could free a hand.

Pat then reached to rip the tape off - and skin came with it.

Putting aside her pain, Pat dressed and carefully made her way to a neighbor's.

She was taken to Cape Fear Valley Medical Center, where she had surgery for her injuries.

Ten days later she was moved to a rehabilitation center. Slowly, she improved.

"I had to be flat on my back with oxygen," Pat said. "I went from that to getting off the oxygen, using a walker and getting therapy."

Then, her Medicare capped and she had to leave. With nowhere to go, she wound up in a motel. Fortunately, Pat said, she had started looking at mobile homes to rent or buy before the attack.

She spent the last of her savings paying off Medicare and her motel bill and buying a mobile home.

Pat, who is slightly stooped as a result of her back injury, never received assistance from anyone.

She has managed to live on her Social Security and pays her bills as she can.

Pat made a $3.73 payment on her taxes, Berg said, and hasn't seen a doctor since leaving the rehab center.

Pat never received any counseling because the Rape Crisis Center had lost funding, resulting in a partial disbanding, Berg said.

"At the time, there was nothing (such as the justice center) in place," Berg said. "She just fell through the cracks."

Getting assistance
Earlier this month, Berg learned that a DNA match to evidence from Pat's rape had turned up in a databank system.

The suspect, who has not been charged, is in prison, serving a sentence for unrelated offenses, Berg said.

The news sent her in search of Pat.

She found Pat, living modestly in a mobile home park in Fayetteville.

That was when Berg learned of Pat's plight.

Berg is now helping Pat get needed services, such as applying for Medicaid and food stamps.

But Berg realizes there are dozens of people like that, people who can benefit from a one-stop center for crime victims.

The plans were launched Nov. 10 during a luncheon that brought together the various organizations that will be involved.

That includes the Fayetteville, Hope Mills and Spring Lake police departments; the Cumberland County Sheriff's Office, Rape Crisis Volunteers of Cumberland County, the Department of Social Services and the District Attorney's Office.

Also attending was Chief District Court Judge Beth Keever, and Fort Bragg officials are on board, Berg said.

She is now crafting an agreement that will define the role of each agency.

"It's a form that outlines everybody's role, what each will do and how they're involved," Berg said.

Once that's finished, coalition members will look for a building to house the center and look for funding through grants, Berg said.

Once the center is up and running, some of the groups will have workers and services available on-site.

Regular reviews of cases will allow workers to keep tabs on victims, to see that they are getting the assistance they need, Berg said.

How would Pat have benefited from the center?

"There wouldn't have been a loss of connection," Berg said. "Once she left rehab and went to the motel, everybody lost contact. There was nobody following up."

Pat's case would have have been referred from the hospital, Berg said.

Center workers would have reviewed the case. Someone would have assisted Pat in negotiating the endless red tape of Medicare or Medicaid. Another would have ensured that Pat was getting needed counseling and had a place to stay.

Had the incident involved a domestic crisis, still another worker would have been able to guide her through the process of getting a protective order, Berg said.

"This is the perfect opportunity to have collaboration," she said.
http://www.fayobserver.com/articles/2010/11/28/1049920?sac=Home



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New centre supports rape victims
Suffolk's first sexual assault referral centre has opened in Ipswich.
29 November, 2010

The Ferns aims to offer round-the-clock support for the victims of rape and sexual assault.

"This facility is very important for all victims of rape or serious sexual assault - men, women or children," said Marianne Fellows, Suffolk Police.

"It gives them the opportunity to have all the services they need without involving the police if that's what they want to do at the beginning."

The Ferns received a grant from the Home Office and is supported by NHS Suffolk, NHS Great Yarmouth and Waveney, Suffolk County Council, Suffolk Police, the Crown Prosecution Service and voluntary organisations.

"The centre has been designed with a client in mind," said Ms Fellows, Domestic Abuse Project Team Manager with Suffolk Police.

"You come in through a crisis door which has been forensically secured, then you come into an examination room that has an en suite shower.

"After the forensic examination there's a recovery area which is just like someone's lounge. It's not clinical, cold or intrusive.

"If somebody wants to they can have a forensic medical examination so samples can be taken and then frozen that can be used as evidence.

"They can also access counselling, support services, we'll safety plan with them, do a risk assessment, we'll make sure they're safe - that's the most important thing."

Domestic abuse

It is hoped the centre will encourage victims of domestic abuse to come forward.

"We know [sexual assault] happens within relationships, within families, with intimate relationships so we want to provide a facility where people can access those services," said Ms Fellows.

"They may not want to involve the police. If it's someone you love, or live with or a member of your family that's a very difficult decision to put your safety and health against a prosecution.

"Domestic abuse is a crime. It's a pattern of controlling behaviour that's designed to intimidate someone, to control their lives and to hurt them.

"If you're suffering from abuse, emotional, physical, sexual, violence, come forward there are support services out there for you."

The Ferns was opened by Baroness Vivien Stern, who last year conducted a review of reporting rapes in England and Wales.

"Every time one of these [centres] opens it's a great step forward for looking after rape victims, as our society should look after them.

"Rape victims are entitled to support because something has happened to them and the community should care about that.

"If you have a place like this which is caring, professional, sympathetic and treats people with respect then people who have been raped are more likely to think they can go through with the reporting, that they can tell someone and that can help the police get the evidence together in order to prosecute those who should be prosecuted."

The Ferns is due to be fully operational from early 2011 when a helpline will also be available.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/suffolk/hi/people_and_places/newsid_9239000/9239232.stm
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 02:10 pm
@firefly,
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At age 69, Pat was raped and beaten in her home. It has been a struggle for her to get the assistance she needs to cope and recover from the incident
You seem to have developed a fetish for old women being raped, for while it has been pointed out to you that these cases are rare you keep coming back to the well. I get that that these cases are emotionally powerful, but policy driven by emotion tends to be bad policy. Law driven by emotion tends to be bad law. Opinions driven by emotion tend to be fantasy and not fact.

The fact is that the rape of old ladies does not happen very often, it is highly unlikely that grandma will ever be raped.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 03:55 pm
@hawkeye10,
Firefly is all emotions and almost zero logic.
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 08:52 pm
@firefly,
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It really makes one wonder why there is any male protest in this thread about only having fully consensual sex?
If you could read someone else's ideas without going into shock and horror at differing opinions to the great you, you may have noticed that the disagreement is that women have the right to agree to sex then change their minds. The disagreement is also as to why women can get away with drunk driving but men cant.

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Are these men so undesirable they can only have sex when they force it on unwilling partners?
Are these women so screwed up they can only have sex when they have the power to change their minds an gaol men after they agreed ?

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Imagine protesting laws that say only that sexual intercourse must take place with the "freely willing agreement" of the partner.
Imagine recommending and supporting laws that allow women total control over men....how weak minded and frightened do you have to be to demand THAT level of protection ?

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But we have grown men in this thread claiming that they don't understand what "consent" means,
But we have grown women in this thread arguing if they change their minds it must be rape and the man should have his life ruined. How else can a pathetic little sick bitch feel important if not abusing the legal system ?

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If these men drive through a Stop sign, do they argue with the cop who pulls them over, "I wasn't sure it really meant 'Stop'?"
If these women drive whilst totally drunk and incapable, do they argue with the cop who pulls them over, "I didnt know what I was doing, the car took advantage of me?" Laughing

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Rape is non consensual sexual intercourse. It's very simple.
Consensual intercourse can be rape...it all depends on the mental health of the woman. It's very simple.
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 08:57 pm
@firefly,
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At the very least, elderly and disabled female residents of nursing homes must be adequately protected from sexual assaults--assaults by employees and assaults by other residents.
There you go again....only worried about women...what about male residents ? Rape is not your concern here, you are a libbie on a lesbian agenda. This is a power trip for you isnt it ? To make up for the weak body you were born with, and the naturally more depressed female mind you need rape to fantasise about having your indecisiveness taken away from you....no buyers remorse for you if it is forced. What sort of sick mind goes on and on with real life horror stories ? Do you feel better enjoying the rape of other women ?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 09:02 pm
@Intrepid,
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Did you consent
In one instance I had my clothes torn off....that was a good shirt too.....if I had of been sober I probably wouldnt have had sex with a woman that far down on the food chain. Do I now claim I was too drunk to give consent ? Do I claim that I was physically raped ? Just because I had an erection doesnt mean I wanted it any more than defending rape by saying she was all wet is allowed. Does that answer your question, suck-hole ?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 09:20 pm
Roger Keith Coleman fooled half of the world. He had people convinced that he was not the man that raped and killed his sister-in-law. People fought for years to free him. He was executed. After his execution DNA proved his guilt.

Interesting story.


http://www.insideout.org/documentaries/dna/thestories2.asp
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 10:32 pm
@Arella Mae,
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He was executed. After his execution DNA proved his guilt.


First we excuted him then we check to be sure we had excuted the right man and I can only assume that if he had indeed been innocent the state would had brought him back from the dead.
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 11:21 pm
@BillRM,
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He was executed. After his execution DNA proved his guilt.
First we excuted him then we check to be sure we had excuted the right man and I can only assume that if he had indeed been innocent the state would had brought him back from the dead.
Now, William, the rights of men is a small price to pay for women's rights. especially if they end up dead and cant complain...certainly the suck-up men who are trying to get laid are not going to complain....not to women anyway....
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 05:21 am
@hawkeye10,
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The fact is that the rape of old ladies does not happen very often, it is highly unlikely that grandma will ever be raped.


How often do you want to see it happen? It's happening often enough that many states have increased the penalties for sexual assaults/rapes of those over 65. Do you want grandmas raped in even larger numbers before it becomes worthy of your attention and concern?

It's unlikely that grandma will be hit by a drunk driver, but that doesn't mean we abolish drunk driving laws.

The same rape laws that protect grandma also protect her college age granddaughter.

That 69 year old woman mentioned in the last article I posted was not raped by a stranger--the man was known to her, that's why she let him into her home. That was another instance of an "acquaintance" rape. Except that's not the sort of non stranger rape you want to discuss. It doesn't fit your fantasy of rape being an "intimate relationship" in which there is "confused consent".

You apparently want to focus only on young women who are drunk and who "aren't really raped" because their mere physical availability to a predator means they have somehow consented to a sexual act they never indicated was wanted.

Sorry, that's not the reality of rape. Rape happens to females of all ages, in all types of situations. And we need laws to cover all of the circumstances in which rape occurs, just as we have laws to cover all of the types of circumstances in which the killing of another human being occurs.





firefly
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 05:38 am
@Ionus,
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But we have grown women in this thread arguing if they change their minds it must be rape and the man should have his life ruined. How else can a pathetic little sick bitch feel important if not abusing the legal system ?


Not a single woman posting in this thread has said that if a woman consents to sex, but later changes her mind--has "buyer's remorse"--that the act should be considered rape. Nor is that considered rape under the law.

You are certainly proving that men do their fair share of lying.

You seem to imply that only women lie about "consent". Why should we believe the male who claims he "had consent", when he actually didn't?

That "pathetic little sick bitch", who never actually consented to sexual intercourse, certainly has a nerve accusing her attacker of rape, doesn't she? She has some nerve wanting to hold him legally accountable for his actions.

I mean, he will claim he "had consent", so, of course, we should believe him, right? Men never lie about such things, do they? Rolling Eyes

Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 06:18 am
@firefly,
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Not a single woman posting in this thread has said that if a woman consents to sex, but later changes her mind--has "buyer's remorse"--that the act should be considered rape. Nor is that considered rape under the law.
That flys against the law as it is. Why the strong support for laws that hand so much power to women ? Is it because they are smaller than men, because we could give the same laws to smaller men.

Why is it domestic violence if a man raises his voice but not if a woman does ?
Why does a woman have up to 3 months to declare a rape ? Are women forgetful ?

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You seem to imply that only women lie about "consent". Why should we believe the male who claims he "had consent", when he actually didn't?
When men behave badly they bash bully and bluff. This comes from being bigger. When women behave badly they lie cheat and steal. This comes from being smaller. Why are the laws biased against bad behaviour of men and IN FAVOUR of bad behaviour of women?

Just because you are a woman doesnt mean you have to be protected. Why cant men be protected too ?
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 06:31 am
@firefly,
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How often do you want to see it happen? It's happening often enough that many states have increased the penalties for sexual assaults/rapes of those over 65. Do you want grandmas raped in even larger numbers before it becomes worthy of your attention and concern?


Nonsense logic as why do would you wish to frighten millions of older women for a very very rare event other then as a program to convicted all women that the danger of being rape is a few thousands time greater then it is.

Nice that in order to grain support for your anti-males laws you have no problem with causing women even older women to live in unneeded fear.

You have no real concern toward women any more then you have any shame.
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 06:46 am
@Ionus,
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Why cant men be protected too ?

The sexual assault laws do protect male victims of sexual assaults/rapes. Try reading the actual laws before you shoot your mouth off. If you don't know exactly what the laws say, you shouldn't be commenting on them. The laws do not define post-decision "regret" as rape.
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Why the strong support for laws that hand so much power to women ?

The laws give the power to the state to prosecute and punish the crime of rape, just as the state does with all other criminal violations. The power to legally determine whether a rape has occurred rests with a jury or a judge.

Men have the power NOT TO RAPE.

Men accused of rape routinely lie and claim consent was present when, in fact, consent had not been given. This is the most common defense used by accused rapists--including those who later admit their lies and confess to their rapes, and those who are convicted by juries who see through their lies.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 06:58 am
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Testimony to begin today at trial of suspected I-4 rapist
By Rene Stutzman,
Orlando Sentinel
November 30, 2010

SANFORD — Testimony is to begin this morning at the trial of an Orlando man accused of first playing the Good Samaritan for a very drunk woman who had pulled over on Interstate 4 and blacked out. Before the night was over, though, he had been arrested on a rape charge.

Winel Castro-Molina, 34, is charged with kidnapping and rape. He was arrested Oct. 29, 2009, after an Altamonte Springs police officer found Castro-Molina and the woman in the back seat of her car in a dark parking lot near I-4.

The woman did not know where she was or what had happened, according to Castro-Molina's arrest report. She told the officer that she did not know Castro-Molina.

The defendant told the officer that he had performed a sex act on the woman without her permission, the report says.

The woman, from Oviedo, testified in August that she had been to a company banquet then a restaurant that day and evening and had had 10 beers.

She said she blacked out and doesn't even remember getting in her car.

The trial began yesterday with jury selection. The case is expected to go to the jury tomorrow.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-i-4-rapist-testimony-20101130,0,4781822.story
 

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