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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 12:42 am
@hawkeye10,
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she knows when to keep quiet and launch diversionary tactics
Not a peep about demanding references and then when I give them she ignores them and me. Maybe its that time of the month a lot with her. Or is she just being stupid ? How can anyone keep saying no means no when there are women out there who most definitely mean yes. Will they be educating women to say no and mean no ? How about to say yes and mean yes, and not change their minds later ? How about gaol terms for women who marry for money....that is rape from a man's point of view.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 12:50 am
@Ionus,
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Or is she just being stupid
No, she and her pals are doing an old fashioned power grab,it is all about thuggery, logic and argument are just a front for the purpose of acquisition.
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 12:51 am
@hawkeye10,
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She has been all over the place on consent...sometimes nonverbal consent is OK with her, sometimes not...sometimes consent must come before the act,


Consent must always come before the act.

You live in the state of Washington...

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"Consent" means that at the time of the act of sexual intercourse or sexual contact there are actual words or conduct indicating freely given agreement to have sexual intercourse or sexual contact.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.44.010


State law defines "consent".





Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 12:58 am
@firefly,
[quote]"Consent" means that at the time of the act of sexual intercourse or sexual contact there are actual words or conduct indicating freely given agreement to have sexual intercourse or sexual contact.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.44.010[/quote]

What the hell is that ? What if she likes to have it passively with her eyes closed pretending you are Brad Pit ? Does she have to give you fellatio to prove consent ? How about if that was all she wanted but then changed her mind ? What conduct indicates a withdrawal of a freely given agreement previously given by conduct ?????
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 12:59 am
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Father who filmed sexual abuse of stepdaughter jailed for 14 years
Adrian Lowe
November 23, 2010

A father who filmed himself sexually abusing his stepdaughter and injected her with testosterone has been jailed for almost 14 years.

The 34-year-old Bendigo man blackmailed the 13-year-old girl by claiming that he was being paid for the video footage by a child pornography website owner. He told her if she did not comply with his demands, the video would be circulated on Facebook around the world and to her friends.

The claims were an elaborate ruse to justify his ongoing sexual abuse of the girl, the County Court heard today.

The court was told the man sometimes abused the girl in her bed at night, and when she was home sick from school.

The sentencing judge told the man, who pleaded guilty to 37 charges, including 26 of incest and five of compelling sexual penetration, that his crimes were very serious examples of their kind.

She said given that the man had children of his own from a previous relationship it was questionable why he had had such little regard to the welfare of someone else's daughter.

“Even momentary regard to her welfare would have (made you) consider the damage to this young girl's life,” the judge said.

“You used her to satisfy your own disgraceful desires. You blackmailed her into submission.

“She was powerless and vulnerable to you. She lived in the same house without safety or refuge.

“Your victim had no peace, even when she was ill you abused her.”

The court was told the abuse occurred over 18 months and the judge said the man's offending was calculated, not opportunistic.

The judge accepted that the man's continuing depression was somewhat linked to his offending, but it was not as serious then as it was now.

The man was truly remorseful, the judge said, but the court needed to send a strong message to like-minded offenders.

“The court and the community cannot and will not tolerate such offending which so seriously damages the lives of our children,” the judge said.

The man was jailed for 13 years and 10 months, to serve a minimum term of nine years, and four months.

He will be a registered sex offender for the rest of his life.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/father-who-filmed-sexual-abuse-of-stepdaughter-jailed-for-14-years-20101123-184qm.html
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 01:06 am
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Roberg Goglio of Madison gets nine months in jail for Green Bay sexual assault
Press-Gazette •
November 22, 2010

A Madison man accused in Brown County Circuit Court of two counts of second-degree sexual assault will spend nine months in jail on an amended charge of fourth-degree sexual assault.

Roberg Goglio, 42, pleaded no contest to the amended charge Monday as part of a plea deal.

Because Goglio was on probation for previous offenses, the sexual assault conviction likely will put him in prison for more than two years on a revocation of that probation, his lawyer told Judge J.D. McKay.

Goglio was accused of having sexual intercourse in April with a woman too intoxicated to give consent. The second charge alleged she was unconscious.
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20101122/GPG0101/101122167/Madison-man-gets-9-months-for-Green-Bay-sex-assault

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 01:09 am
@firefly,
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State law defines "consent".

there are a lot of laws, which are constantly in flux, and then add to this the fact the interpretations are constantly changing...there is no such thing as your claimed codified agreed to defintion of consent. In this thread I have been talking about theory, public policy, and what the best variation of sex law would be, this is a very fair question considering that the rape feminist have been pushing sex law changes for 30 years, it is very appropriate for citizens such as me to ask where it is that we are supposed to be going, what the end result law /definition/interpretation is supposed to be according the the rape feminists.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 01:22 am
@hawkeye10,
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it is very appropriate for citizens such as me to ask where it is that we are supposed to be going, what the end result law /definition/interpretation is supposed to be according the the rape feminists.


I suppose you will have to go ask a "rape feminist" what the end result is supposed to be. I don't know any "rape feminists".

I'm not concerned with "theory" or "what the best variation of sex law would be"--I simply want to see current sexual assault laws enforced.

In terms of current law, each state defines "consent"--and, if you violate the sexual assault laws of that state, you can be charged with rape.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 01:36 am
@firefly,
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I'm not concerned with "theory" or "what the best variation of sex law would be"--I simply want to see current sexual assault laws enforced
the current laws need to be interpreted, the same set of words can lead to many different options for the state. In my opinion you cant retain any credibility if you continue to claim that rape is defined by the absences of consent, and then in the next breath you refuse to define consent. You have now gone on for a few hundred pages and yet you still refuse to define rape. I am happy that you are so wide as to allow states to decide for themselves what consent is, as I take that to mean that if my side is successful in rolling back rape law to previous versions that we shall hear no squawking out of you, but come on now, do tell us what rape means to you, define consent, as well as the limits of the power the state should have to remove the right to consent.

firefly
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 01:46 am
@hawkeye10,
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You have now gone on for a few hundred pages and yet you still refuse to define rape


I don't define rape--state laws define rape.

In the state in which I live, rape is sexual intercourse without consent.

I believe that is the definition in the state of Washington, where you live.

I've already posted your state definition of "consent".

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do tell us what rape means to you, define consent, as well as the limits of the power the state should have to remove the right to consent.


If those things interested me, I would comment on them. They don't interest me.




hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 01:48 am
@firefly,
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Consent must always come before the act
Really, because I recall you assuring Mysteryman that you cant imagine a woman claiming after the fact that she did not want it if she really did, which implied to me that as far you are concerned Mysteryman is free to have sex with his woman relying at least in part on nonverbal communication DURING the act. You have said multiple times that if the woman is acting all into it that the man is good to go, and you never said a word about there needing to be an agreed upon script negotiated before hand, leading me to believe that you in fact agree that consent before the fact is not required. Other times you say that it is.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 01:57 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:
Yes, a splendid example of cut and paste but what are you doing to educate some women that no does not mean yes?
You are aware there are women out there who say no and mean yes......
I 've had that HAPPEN.
That 's the time to say good night.





David

P.S.: She then said that she lied.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 01:58 am
@firefly,
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If those things interested me, I would comment on them. They don't interest me.

I do believe that you don't care about individual freedom, but I don't believe that you have invested so much time in this thread without coming to any conclusions as to what rape is. I don't believe your assertion that you have not decided what consent is. The claim that you dont care what consent is is an obvious lie, because you invested everything into it when you pinned your entire definition of rape upon consent....we know that you care about rape, thus we know given your definition of rape that you care a great deal about consent. You are once again lying in the attempt to avoid a huge flaw in your position. I certainly hope and expect that a2k members are sophisticated and intelligent enough to see your self serving dodge for what it is....
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 02:07 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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Do u allege that government has jurisdiction of BOTH parties ?
Yes, the juristiction to demand attendance. Sexual consent confusion is created by both parties, and both need to learn and then adjust there behaviour if the situation is to be avoided in the future,either between these two people or with their future partners. I would not think the government has the right to make them pass a test, only the right to put them into a situation where they have the opportunity to gain skills that would enable them to better next time.


This is under the same rationale as that the government has the right to demand attendance of children in school
I deny that government has such jd;
the governed did not consent to it.
That was my position when I was 6; nothing has happened that changed my mind.





David
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 02:18 am
@OmSigDAVID,
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I deny that government has such jd;
the governed did not consent to it.
That was my position when I was 6; nothing has happened that changed my mind.

I ran for a few years in the homeschool subculture...there are certainly more than a couple of people who agree with you on this.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 02:30 am
@hawkeye10,
David wrote:
I deny that government has such jd;
the governed did not consent to it.
That was my position when I was 6; nothing has happened that changed my mind.

hawkeye10 wrote:
I ran for a few years in the homeschool subculture...
there are certainly more than a couple of people who agree with you on this.
I remember coming home from the first grade with my jurisdictional challenge,
that I presented to my mother in our kitchen, to wit:
"where do THAY get the right to make ME go over THERE ????"

She then explained the value of education to me.
I grudgingly consented to comply.





David
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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 03:39 am
@firefly,
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to serve a minimum term of nine years, and four months.
Now what would be wrong with shooting this bastard ? And how is that the same crime as two teenage lovers ?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 03:42 am
@firefly,
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I simply want to see current sexual assault laws enforced.
Spoken like any good nazi. It is not your fault the law is wrong. You are just here to agree with it and support it.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 03:44 am
@OmSigDAVID,
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I 've had that HAPPEN.
That 's the time to say good night.
Same here. But I do not expect every man to do that, nor do I expect the woman to put a man behind bars for 10 years because she is a psycho.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 03:51 am
@Ionus,
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But I do not expect every man to do that
I for one like the chase, and the conquest, and I like women who similarly enjoy being chased and ravished. I dont take kindly to bossy know it alls being all offended at games like this that are none of their ******* business. Life is short, I intend to enjoy it. No is an obstacle to the hoped for eventual yes, it is not the end of the pursuit.
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