Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

A quarter of those young men don’t believe it is rape if a woman says no to sex and the man continues anyway

one in five men polled expect to have sex after kissing

To those victims of false accussations and imprisonment for rape, no sex ever feels safe.

Hawkeye, r u saying that women shoud not
be protected by anti-rape laws ?????????

Hawkeye, r u saying that women shoud not
be protected by anti-rape laws ?????????

My position is that confused consent situations should be treated in the public health sector,
with both parties mandated to go to counselling.

Do u allege that government has jurisdiction of BOTH parties ?

A quarter of young men 'won't take no for an answer when it comes to sex'
By Daily Mail Reporter
17th November 2010

40% of young people pressured into sex they did want
1 in 5 men aged 18-25 expect to have sex after kissing

A quarter of young men don't believe it is rape if a woman says no to sex and the man continues anyway, shock new figures suggested today.

Furthermore, nearly half of the men questioned don't think it's rape if the other person changes their mind during sex and more than 40 per cent said they had been pressured into sex they did want.

The survey conducted for the Havens sexual assault referral centres found nearly a tenth of women in London aged between 18 and 25 had been ignored after saying no to sex.

Nearly half of the men questioned in the shocking survey don't think it's rape if the other person changes their mind during sex.

Other findings suggest that one in five men in the age group expect to have sex after kissing and that a small number will attempt sex if their partner is drunk or asleep.
And one in eight would do the same if they thought the woman was being flirty with them.

The 'Where Is Your Line?' survey was commissioned in association with Youth Club, and published in conjunction with interactive YouTube film which seeks to highlight the issue of consent and will heighten concern about attitudes to rape and sex among some young people.

The Havens clinics provide support for men and women who have been victims of rape or sexual assault.

Mayor of London Boris Johnson today told of his shock at the survey.

Unveiling the figures, the Mayor said he was disturbed by the conclusions and praised the work of the Haven centres - there are three in London - for their efforts in helping victims. 'This research is shocking. Young people clearly need to think much harder about consent,' he said.

Detective Chief Inspector Mark Yexley, from the Met's Sapphire specialist sex crimes unit, added: 'The new findings show us that there are still different understandings of what constitutes sexual consent.'

Dr Jan Welch, clinical director of the Haven in south London, appealed to anyone who had been a victim of a sex attack to seek their help. 'If you feel that your line has been crossed, you can contact the nearest Haven for advice and support,' she said.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1330387/A-quarter-young-men-wont-answer-comes-sex.html#ixzz163R1ITQW

Said if there was such a thing as consent black/white....there are many levels of consent, some verbal some non -verbal, some attached to a specific act and some attached to the relationship in total. Consent is mostly grey, which is a big part of why the law is the wrong tool for this job.

Hawkeye, r u saying that women shoud not
be protected by anti-rape laws ?????????

Consent is not mostly grey. "Yes" means "Yes" and "No" means "No".

The laws cramp his sexual freedom.

The majority of "rapes" are where young people get drunk/stoned and things happen which later they regret or cant remember the genesis of the sex that eventually happened...in these cases if the guy can not prove that he had consent and that the girl as not "too drunk/stoned" he is now guilty of rape.

that assumes that active verbal consent is acquired for each act, as you well know. My position is that a legal requirement for consent at this level is an onerous burden upon the individual, from the state which has no right to demand such deep control of the behaviour of its citizens, and is harmful to human sexual functioning.

Right, it is the male who must be sure he has consent. Otherwise he should stop

Make up your mind, does he need to ask and get a yes, or does he just need to think she wants it? I gather from your posts that you believe that the only way a man can protect himself from the government is to ask and get a yes, that in any other level of consent all the girl needs to does after the fact claim that she did not want it to fry the man for rape.

they are an illegal intrusion of the government upon my individual rights and freedom.

My position is that a legal requirement for consent at this level is an onerous burden upon the individual, from the state which has no right to demand such deep control of the behaviour of its citizens, and is harmful to human sexual functioning.

If a woman doesn’t consent, it’s rape
By victim Amanda Crane
Published: 18 Nov 2010

SEX with a woman who does not consent to it is not rape, according to nearly one in four men aged 18 to 25.

A shocking new survey conducted by The Havens sexual assault centres also revealed that half of the 1,012 men polled would sleep with a woman who was too drunk to say yes to sex.

HR assistant Amanda Crane, 25, from Winchester, Hants, was raped by her boyfriend eight years ago.

Here she bravely waives her right to anonymity and gives her reaction to yesterday's distressing figures.


READING the survey sent a shiver down my spine.

I find it shocking that any man would consider it OK to have sex with a woman who is too drunk or drugged to consent.

This is caveman brutality. It's very scary and a reflection that many young men see women as nothing more than sex objects.

I was raped at the age of 17 by my boyfriend. We'd been dating for five months and I was a virgin.

I didn't feel ready to go to bed with him but as time went on he pressured me for sex.

Finally, after months of saying no, he lost patience and exploded with fury.

He became very aggressive and shoved me on to the bed. He forced himself on me and, despite my protests, he raped me.

It was the most horrific experience of my life. I felt totally out of control and terrified.

The fact he was my boyfriend made no difference and gave him no right to do what he did.

It was an act of pure violence. Even though I didn't have any physical injuries, I felt completely violated.

There was no point in trying to fight him off as he was incredibly strong. I was also worried that if I did try to fight, I could make things worse for myself.

Obviously, that night our relationship finished and I never saw him again.

I considered reporting the rape for months but felt too ashamed.

I lived with my parents and couldn't bear the thought of them knowing what had happened. I also thought people would judge me, as he was my boyfriend and that would mean in their heads that I encouraged him.

The mental scars have remained and it took years for me to trust another man.

I still feel incredibly guilty and scared that I didn't report my attacker to the police, as he is still free to hurt another woman.

The fact many young men claim they don't think it is rape if a woman changes her mind and says no is extremely arrogant and shows the nature of violence among British men today.

Sex should only ever happen between consenting adults.

It should be about respecting your partner, not taking advantage of someone because they're nearly unconscious from drink or drugs.

If a woman is hardly able to speak, she's obviously not able to consent to sex - that is obvious to anyone.

If she can't consent, then it is rape.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/3233777/If-a-woman-doesnt-consent-its-rape.html