Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@Ionus,

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I dont see how that is the same as consensual sex between a 17 and an 18 yr old where the only damage done to the girl is when she is told she has been raped and will have to appear in court

How about the difference between the event you describe and one where the woman walks into a clinic and says " I was really drunk, but I would have never had sex with him if I was sober, so it must have been rape"....and they go arrest the guy for rape? Are these the same thing, can the same word be legitimately used to describe both events?

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@Ionus,

I wish she 'd had a nice little .44 loaded with hollowpointed slugs
and put a couple into his groin.

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@OmSigDAVID,

It is when I think about horrendous crime that I lean towards your view, Dave, that maybe all good people should be armed.

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@hawkeye10,

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Are these the same thing, can the same word be legitimately used to describe both events?

No to both.

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@Ionus,

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No to both.

I made that point about 200 pages ago, but I welcome you to team sanity......

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

It is when I think about horrendous crime that I lean towards your view, Dave,
that maybe all good people should be armed.

http://www.proguns.com/images/used-guns/usedguns247-904/278taurus445.jpg

for the same reason thay wear seatbelts.

David

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@Ionus,

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Do you really believe there are no women who enjoy male power ? Who do not want to be roughed up a little ? Who whilst enjoying sex fantasise about being raped ? If you do believe there are some then all we have to agree on is how much of that is in the average woman. People are not totally different...they all have the same things, just to varying degrees.

I do believe there are women who enjoy male power and who like rough sex, and may even fantasize about being raped.
What I DON'T believe is the average woman fantasizes about being with just any man...in other words that she'd enjoy sex with a faceless stranger or rough sex with a man who did not fulfill her fantasy.
If so, what would be the point of the fantasy?

Think about it - can you be aroused by any woman? Or when you fantasize about a stranger encounter, do you fantasize about a certain type of woman who'd fulfill YOUR fantasies, no matter what they are?

I mean, a woman might fantasize about sex with a stranger, but I don't think she's fantasizing about a drunk asshole who has body odor and is vomiting on her as he sodomizes her- do you?

She wants someone to fulfill her fantasy - not create his own.
And I don't think rapists give a **** about what the woman wants - do you?

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@OmSigDAVID,

Never having been married, you probably know nothing about a loving married relationship. Rape is seldom an issue in such a relationship. It is the abusive, controlling married relationships that are prone to rape and such.

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@Intrepid,

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Never having been married, you probably know nothing about a loving married relationship.

I know a lot who have been married and they know nothing about a loving married relationship.

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It is the abusive, controlling married relationships that are prone to rape and such.

It is also the unfaithful ungrateful and abusive women that are prone to rape in marriage and such.

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@Intrepid,

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Never having been married, you probably know nothing about a loving married relationship. Rape is seldom an issue in such a relationship. It is the abusive, controlling married relationships that are prone to rape and such.

And all kinds of false claims up to abusive, child sexual abusive and even married rape.

My first wife cheerfully claimed domestic violence under oath when the only one who suffers such violence was myself not her.

Claiming domestic violence and asking for a restraining order is a wonderful way and means to get a man out of the house and get a head start on child custody issues.

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@aidan,

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Think about it - can you be aroused by any woman?

You mean right now ? Do they have a pulse ?

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Or when you fantasize about a stranger encounter, do you fantasize about a certain type of woman who'd fulfill YOUR fantasies, no matter what they are?

I dont fantasise about a stranger encounter but I believe some men do.

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I mean, a woman might fantasize about sex with a stranger, but I don't think she's fantasizing about a drunk asshole who has body odor and is vomiting on her as he sodomizes her- do you?

Are you asking if I fantasise about a drunk arsehole who has body odor and is vomiting on me as he sodomises me ? I cant say I have had that fantasy today.

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And I don't think rapists give a **** about what the woman wants - do you?

Why have you assumed the rapist is a man ? I know of one instance where a man was gang raped by libbies and when he coudnt get it up any more they sliced his penis down the middle with a rusty razor they had brought along for the occasion, so it was premeditated. I also know of a young 11 yr old girl who suicided beacuse BOTH foster parents were sexually molesting her.

But you do agree male dominance is an issue in sex and most women fantasise about rape at some stage...dont you ?

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@BillRM,

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My first wife cheerfully claimed domestic violence under oath when the only one who suffers such violence was myself not her.

Same here. My wife and I seperated amicably then she went to a womens help group (she is a user) and came away with professionally written lies. The courts eventually saw through her, but it was touch and go for a while.

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@Ionus,

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Same here. My wife and I seperated amicably then she went to a womens help group (she is a user) and came away with professionally written lies. The courts eventually saw through her, but it was touch and go for a while.

In a way she did me a large favor because it ended any desire on my part of getting back with her once I found out she file such lies.

It was not a good feeling to be the very first person in my known family tree to get a divorce.

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@BillRM,

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Claiming domestic violence and asking for a restraining order is a wonderful way and means to get a man out of the house and get a head start on child custody issues.

Then she gets the financial settlement bumped up so she can take care of the kids, waits for 3 years and then dumps the kids back with him knowing that he is too nice a guy to see them in foster care. She walks with all the money that he was given for spinal operations because she is a poor poor poor pathetic woman. She walks with his military retirement money because women cant live in poverty when they retire, politicians wont allow it.

That man must now spend the rest of his life in poverty on a government invalid pension, only a fraction of the military pension that she walked with. Rape ? He dreams of rape...what a luxury ! He would have been better off if she bent him over and fucked him up the arse with a pineapple, sharp end in. He feels raped and every day is a struggle to get by financially whilst she lives in luxury in the tropics living on money from rental properties she bought. He feels used, worthless, stupid and sexless. Long live womens lib.

But it is OK. His health is so poor he wont live past his kids reaching 18, and if he does he plans on taking his own life to end the physical pain. It is not good to enter into old age with many injuries. Rape ? Phhhbbbtttt ! Bloody luxury ! He dreams of being only raped.

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@Ionus,

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My first wife cheerfully claimed domestic violence under oath
when the only one who suffers such violence was myself not her.

Ionus wrote:

Same here. My wife and I seperated amicably then she went to a womens help group (she is a user)
and came away with professionally written lies. The courts eventually saw through her, but it was touch and go for a while.

Its a good thing that your body guard has that machinegun

David

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@Ionus,

Bullshit

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@Intrepid,

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Bullshit

Dickhead.

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@Intrepid,

Intrepid wrote:

Never having been married, you probably know nothing about a loving married relationship.

Well, I observed those of my relatives, including several extended families.
The only girl with whom I was in love having rejected me (after enticing me in the first place),
I did not have that "loving married relationship"
but I have had chicks whom I liked live with me, for years at a time.

Intrepid wrote:

Rape is seldom an issue in such a relationship.
It is the abusive, controlling married relationships that are prone to rape and such.

What about extortion? Vengeance?

I'm gonna try to build a bridge here, to an experience in the 1970s.
I might fail, amid complaints of:
"what-does-that-off-topic-stuff- have-to-do-with-anything??"
but I 'll try to make my point:
an old friend named Jane invited me to her house for Christmas Day.
Her children had their own places to go; she was gonna be alone.

Jane was a lay office manager for a law firm.
She was very proud of her work, how cleverly she did her job
and solved problems on-the-job, exceeding the expectations
of the partners of the firm. She ofen spoke to me of her achievements.
Jane had recently been wounded in her emotions by her employers'
failure to tangibly recognize her. On several prior occasions,
she poured her heart out to me on this topic.

I arrived for Christmas around 11 AM. Jane was roasting a turkey
and cooking and drinking all day.

Late in the afternoon, Jane 's husband innocently called from
his house in another town; by then, Jane was impaired by her alcohol.
Jane's husband was a businessman who was financially stressed.

Jane was very insistent, most redundantly emotionally insistent, that he begift her
with a mink stole. She harassed him for about half an hour on the fone, beating him up on the fone about this.

To ME, it was more than obvious that this represented displaced aggression,
displaced vengeance for Jane 's perception of injustice on-the-job.

I strongly suspect, from the tenor of the conversation,
that if it had then been legally possible for a husband to rape
his own wife, she 'd have used that to extort his compliance.

I was silently glad to be safe
from that sort of thing that I witnessed.

David

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@Ionus,

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I dont fantasise about a stranger encounter but I believe some men do.

Well this is interesting. The average woman fantasizes about being ravished by a faceless stranger - but it might be a less common fantasy for men? I don't know - I'm asking...or are you just not the average man?

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Are you asking if I fantasise about a drunk arsehole who has body odor and is vomiting on me as he sodomises me ? I cant say I have had that fantasy today.

That's reassuring.

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Why have you assumed the rapist is a man ? I know of one instance where a man was gang raped by libbies and when he coudnt get it up any more they sliced his penis down the middle with a rusty razor they had brought along for the occasion, so it was premeditated.

Ouch.

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I also know of a young 11 yr old girl who suicided because BOTH foster parents were sexually molesting her.

Speechless (as in - this leaves me speechless with sorrow for that girl)

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But you do agree male dominance is an issue in sex and most women fantasise about rape at some stage...dont you ?

I can't speak for anyone but myself and I've never fantasized about being raped by a stranger with any sense of anticipation or pleasure at the thought.
I can't say that I've discussed it with most of the women I know, so I have no data on which to base an opinion as to how common it is.

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@Ionus,

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I would hazard to guess it means she definitiely wouldnt like it done or she would be out fulfilling that fantasy every night. The point was we shouldnt tell women they must feel absolutely devastated and that they deserve great sympathy if they are raped. It is a bad experience and telling them they shouldnt feel like a survivor is hurtful. Of course they are allowed to feel good about rape...they survived a very dangerous situation and telling them how much we pity them is not the right attitude. We should be very positive if the rape had a comparatively minor effect...eg not pregnant, not infected, not physically permanently damaged.....somethings are not suited for therapy depending on the person. Some physical injuries from say car accidents heal better if the person goes back to a normal life of movement. Some emotional scars are the same, it depends on the person but tellling people "oh you poor pitiful thing....." is raping them again.

Your first assumption, that because a woman may indulge in fantasies of being raped, that she actually wishes to be raped, is completely absurd. You are obviously unfamiliar with the large body of research which has been done on that subject. There is no correlation between fantasies of being raped and a desire to be the actual victim of a rape.

You and Hawkeye both persistently confuse an erotic fantasy with real life. We are not discussing erotica in this thread, we are not discussing "intimate sexual relations" in this thread, we are not talking about women who enjoy rough sex in a consensual relationship, we are discussing the crime of rape. Rape is non consensual, it is an unwanted sexual assault. It is difficult for anyone to feel "good" about such an experience. Relief perhaps--relief that one wasn't killed, relief that it ended, relief when the rapist is put in prison. A physical, emotional, and psychological violation is unlikely to leave anyone feeling good, and research in this area corroborates that.

No one tells a rape victim how they should feel about that experience. The organizations and groups that work with rape victims provide treatment that allows the rape victim to process, and try to work through, the experience at her own pace and in her own manner.

You confuse pity with empathy. Rape victims deserve respect, sensitivity, and empathy. Most of all, they deserve not to be blamed for their rape--not to be told that their "risky" behavior was the reason they were raped. No matter what a woman does, or how she acts, or how she dresses, or where she goes, justifies her being raped. To blame the woman, is to excuse the rapist. The only one who bears any responsibility for a rape is the person who commits the act.

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