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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2010 09:40 am
@firefly,
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Rapes occur because rapists commit them--and not because of anything a woman does. Only the rapist is to blame for a rape.
So if I go to a major city and walk around at two in the morning and get bashed, I bear no responsibility for stupidity ? What about if I see a truck coming but I think no, I have a walk so I step out in front of the truck. Surely I am a victim and have no responsibilty for what happened?
Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2010 09:44 am
@firefly,
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How about men teaching their sons not to rape.
You dont teach someone NOT to rape. You really think all men are rapists, dont you ? I have four sons and the idea of "teaching" them not to rape is bizzare.
spidergal
 
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Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2010 09:51 am
@Ionus,
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So if I go to a major city and walk around at two in the morning and get bashed, I bear no responsibility for stupidity ?


Maybe I'm just the sort of person who enjoys strolling at nighttime when it's quiet and uncrowded? Why shouldn't I live my life my way - when my way is clearly not bypassing any laws or adversely affecting anyone?

Of course, I'll be alert if I'm doing such a thing, but I don't think it's stupid, Ionus.

BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2010 09:54 am
@Ionus,
That is correct as strange as it is sound a woman had no responsibility to act in a commonsense manner and she have no power to reduce her risks of being sexual assault either in the Firefly universe.

A young woman going to drug fuel raves is somehow at the same risk as a woman is her home with her family.

Yes women in their own homes with their husbands have been rape it does happen it just a few thousands times less likely then the same event happening to a woman who attend raves.

Something that Firefly can not understand.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2010 09:59 am
I walk alone in the city on a regular basis. Sometimes, when I wake up in the middle of the night and have something on my mind - or just want a good dose of fresh air, I'll go for a walk. While I am cognizant that there are predators in my society who like to hunt at night - I have a right to walk when I want, and I exercise that right. If someone takes it upon himself to hurt me while I am innocently walking, I bear not one iota of responsibility for their action.

If a woman walks down the street butt ass naked, while she may be arrested for "indecent exposure" or considered foolhardy... her nudity is NOT an open invitation to be mauled or raped. Why people think it is baffles me.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2010 10:02 am
@Ionus,
Doesn't everyone have the talk with their son - about "no" means "no"?...and responsibility re sex/pregnancy... They DO rely on parents to teach them what constitutes rape and responsible sexual behavior.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2010 10:11 am
@spidergal,
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Maybe I'm just the sort of person who enjoys strolling at nighttime when it's quiet and uncrowded? Why shouldn't I live my life my way - when my way is clearly not bypassing any laws or adversely affecting anyone?

Of course, I'll be alert if I'm doing such a thing, but I don't think it's stupid, Ionus.


You are placing yourself at higher risk then if you did not do so for the pleasant you find is walking.

It is a risk that if you care to take then so be it but it is a added risk and if I was you I would carry some manner of a defense device legally if possible illegally if need be.

Hell even a large dog would be very useful to have along.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2010 10:14 am
@Lash,
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They DO rely on parents to teach them what constitutes rape and responsible sexual behavior.


See that is a problem because I would not teach either my sons or my daughters Firefly idea of what constitutes rape.
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2010 10:15 am
@BillRM,
I think it is wise to have one of those electronic screamers - a really loud noise-maker and a tiny mace-spray bottle in your hand. Its always cool for everyone to know a few defensive/protective moves, as well.
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2010 10:17 am
@BillRM,
But, something as simple as - when she says NO, stop - would keep a lot of boys out of trouble.
Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2010 10:19 am
@spidergal,
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You're going to have to tell us where you're getting the stuff about women enjoying the act of rape and teens fantasizing about it from?
Your paraphrasing is distorting my whole point.

There are differing degrees of rape. There are differing women. When women fantasise about rape it is not rape in their minds. It is a dominating man who takes away the complicated choice of whether to have sex or not. How many women wake up at some stage of a relationship (perhaps the next day even) and think bloody hell what am I doing with him? Later in life they feel like whores for having slept with too many men. That feeling of repulsion can be equated to feeling raped....something that shouldnt have happened, something that left them feeling angry and victimised.

Sexual instincts such as humans have are VERY similar in most higher mammals. Most troops of apes, chimpanzees and monkeys have the female approach the alpha male by bending over and offering him a sniff. Out of politeness, he accepts but if she is too far down the social ladder or he just had one, he will look away and ignore her. She will then approach the number two male and so on until she is satisifed. Rape does occur in these societies, but it is usually the female asking to be raped instead of a bashing. When threatened with larger male violence she will bend over hoping to distract him....he may feel pacified and walk away....he might have sex...or he might continue the bashing and she will have to run for it. The length of time involved in raising a human baby prevents human females from having this logical attitude to rape.

As for references, I can not present such to people when it may disturb them to think what I say is absolutely true. Whilst this is not the case with professionals, some normal people stumble into these threads and read them. Your library will have some sex studies, some are rather dated and some are suspect for various reasons in certain areas, but you need to read some general books on the psychology of sex before reading any studies. Sorry, but it really is dangerous to mess around with someone's mind unless you know the full result. I dont know who is reading this, and this way they can still say bullshit he's wrong, rather than be hurt by too much information about themselves.

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Prove your deftness in female sexuality, please?
You dont want to know how many women I have had but I will drop a hint.....some female students I was involved with from courses I was not involved in thought highly of my appearance, calling me "The Face". But that was 15 years ago. I am a lot uglier now. So I have some practical experience. I will not discuss any professional qualifications I may or may not have.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2010 10:20 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

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Rapes occur because rapists commit them--and not because of anything a woman does. Only the rapist is to blame for a rape.
So if I go to a major city and walk around at two in the morning and get bashed, I bear no responsibility for stupidity ? What about if I see a truck coming but I think no, I have a walk so I step out in front of the truck. Surely I am a victim and have no responsibilty for what happened?


The stupidity of these analogies is astounding.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2010 10:20 am
@Lash,
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I think it is wise to have one of those electronic screamers - a really loud noise-maker and a tiny mace-spray bottle in your hand. Its always cool for everyone to know a few defensive/protective moves, as well.


Agree that would be useful to have alone but I would go for as large a bottle of mace as possible or pepper spray.

I love the anti-bear pepper spray devices sold in any camping store as any device design to deal with a few hundred pound black bear should deal with a mugger.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2010 10:21 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

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How about men teaching their sons not to rape.
You dont teach someone NOT to rape. You really think all men are rapists, dont you ? I have four sons and the idea of "teaching" them not to rape is bizzare.


Perhaps she meant that men should teach their sons morals and proper behaviour. If they are brought up this way, then the question of rape should not enter into it. Use your head, man!
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2010 10:22 am
@Lash,
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But, something as simple as - when she says NO, stop - would keep a lot of boys out of trouble.


And you think that a normally raised young man need to be told that?
Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2010 10:23 am
@spidergal,
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Maybe I'm just the sort of person who enjoys strolling at nighttime when it's quiet and uncrowded? Why shouldn't I live my life my way - when my way is clearly not bypassing any laws or adversely affecting anyone? Of course, I'll be alert if I'm doing such a thing, but I don't think it's stupid, Ionus.
Taking your right of way and walking in front of a bus is stupid. If you are sensible about your security then of course it is not stupid to enjoy life. However, risk taking can be insidious. Then one night you find you are doing something stupid but it is too late.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2010 10:24 am
@Ionus,
Do you feel entitled to take what you want from a woman who is so stupid as to walk alone in the dark, Ionus?
Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2010 10:24 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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I think it is wise to have one of those electronic screamers - a really loud noise-maker and a tiny mace-spray bottle in your hand. Its always cool for everyone to know a few defensive/protective moves, as well.


Agree that would be useful to have alone but I would go for as large a bottle of mace as possible or pepper spray.

I love the anti-bear pepper spray devices sold in any camping store as any device design to deal with a few hundred pound black bear should deal with a mugger.


We are not dealing with muggers, you idiot. We are dealing with RAPISTS! Something that you do not seem to have the ability to comprehend.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2010 10:26 am
@Intrepid,
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The stupidity of these analogies is astounding.


In what way are they stupid as if you place yourself in likely harm way you are greatly increasing your chance of being harm by a person walking down a dark street late at night or by walking across a railroad bridge by a train.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2010 10:28 am
@BillRM,
I felt the need to tell my son - and he was normally raised. I felt the need to tell my children a great many things re sex, love and personal responsibility - and with media and friends telling boys - when a girl says no - she means yes - it's confusing. Because sometimes - she DOES mean yes.

I just told him whatever it seemed like she means - the word means hands up.
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