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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 09:18 pm
@Intrepid,
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Why don't you respond to what I said?
would you be so kind as to restate, i did not understand what you are after..
Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 09:20 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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Why don't you respond to what I said?
would you be so kind as to restate, i did not understand what you are after..


No need to feign ignorance now. It has been evident since the beginning of this thread.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 09:30 pm
@hawkeye10,
This is a thread about rape.

You are trying to turn it into your own private arena to vent your peculiar notions about sexual politics, and sex law and what you feel should be unrestricted sexual activity.

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I think it is high time we talk about women and what their responsibilities are....I know the knee jerk reaction is to blame the man, but this is 2010, we really should not live in the olden times when a man said jump and could assume that the woman would jump. We reached equality some time ago, and with equality women gain responsibilities,which they tend to want to avoid by blaming men when something goes wrong.


You claimed you knew and understood the definition of rape. Apparently you don't. There is no way that the woman can be responsible for her own rape. Both the law, and pure common sense, ascribe sole responsibility to the rapist.

Were your children responsible for their sexual abuse? Was your wife responsible for her sexual abuse?

This has nothing to do with sexual politics between men and women. It is about sexual assaults on unwilling victims. Rapes of 11 year olds, 80 year olds, 20 year olds, 93 year olds, 40 year olds. Rapes of wives, doctors, grandmothers, secretaries, college students, daughters, nurses, and even nuns.

The topic itself seems to make you pretty uncomfortable, since you just can't seem to stick with it, or fully understand it, or view it with any degree of objectivity.

Women sure do have responsibilities regarding rape--mainly to get rapists prosecuted and convicted.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 09:31 pm
@firefly,
Amen firefly!
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 09:48 pm
@firefly,
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Women sure do have responsibilities regarding rape--mainly to get rapists prosecuted and convicted
Now that rape is about consent women also have the responsibility to be clear about consent, and to not change their minds after the event and blame the man for what happened. And women have no responsibility to report or help the state prosecute rapists, their main responsibility to to themselves at that point, they are the injured party and their needs take priority over the collectives. Women should never feel guilty about not reporting rape if they come to the conclusion that it is in their best interest to not. If the anti rape movement or anyone else for that matter has a problem with not reporting then they need to offer victims a better deal in place of the guilt trip that is now offered.

Edit: part of the better deal will often be to help the rapist and to make sure that by dealing with the situation we do not negatively impact the victims life further. A big part of the problem is that we would rather bloody the rapist then help them deal with their sexual aggression issues, or lack of understanding of consent issues, and victims often care about the rapists so this is a bad deal for the victim.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 09:52 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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Women sure do have responsibilities regarding rape--mainly to get rapists prosecuted and convicted
Now that rape is about consent women also have the responsibility to be clear about consent, and to not change their minds after the event and blame the man for what happened. And women have no responsibility to report or help the state prosecute rapists, their main responsibility to to themselves at that point, they are the injured party and their needs take priority over the collectives. Women should never feel guilty about not reporting rape if they come to the conclusion that it is in their best interest to not. If the anti rape movement or anyone else for that matter has a problem with not reporting then they need to offer victims a better deal in place of the guilt trip that is now offered.
BACK ON IGNORE!

Sorry Calamity if I don't put him on ignore I may say something I don't want to.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 09:53 pm
@firefly,
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This is a thread about rape.
The beauty of Roberts system is that we no longer even have mods who get to decide what a thread is or is not, so you certainly dont get to decide. The thread is what is is, as defined by the conversation that has taken place in it. This thread IS about sexual politics and sex law. Obviously you dont like that it is...tough cookies.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 10:16 pm
@Arella Mae,
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Sorry Calamity if I don't put him on ignore I may say something I don't want to.
at least Firefly should be glad that we are again back around to the OP, but she is not likely to like my opinion that someone should be doing a parallel campaign encouraging victims to look out for their own best interests if they are raped, to make sure that they take care of themselves before worrying about what other people are pushing them to do.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 10:23 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye, men like you convince women that Lorena Bobbit had the right idea. She skipped reporting the facts of her abuse and rape to the police and simply took matters into her own hands...literally.

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John Wayne Bobbitt and Lorena Bobbitt were an American couple, whose difficult relationship gained worldwide notice for an incident in 1993 when Lorena severed John's penis with a knife.

During the night of June 23, 1993, John Wayne Bobbitt arrived at the couple's apartment in Manassas, Virginia, highly intoxicated after a night of partying. According to testimony given by Lorena Bobbitt in a 1994 court hearing, he then raped her. (Note: In 1994 he was tried for and acquitted of spousal rape, prosecuted by the same district attorney who prosecuted Lorena for attacking her husband.) Afterwards, Lorena Bobbitt got out of bed and went to the kitchen for a drink of water. According to an article in the National Women's Studies Association Journal, while in the kitchen she noticed a carving knife on the counter and "memories of past domestic abuses raced through her head." Grabbing the knife, Lorena Bobbitt entered the bedroom where John was sleeping and proceeded to cut off almost half of his penis.

After assaulting her husband, Lorena left the apartment with the severed penis, drove a short while, then rolled down the car window and threw the penis into a field. Realizing the severity of the incident, she stopped and called 911. After an exhaustive search, the penis was located, packed in ice, and brought to the hospital where John was being treated.

The penis was re-attached by Dr. James T Sehn and Dr. David Berman during a nine-and-a-half-hour operation

Lorena was taken into custody. During the trial, the couple revealed details of their volatile relationship and the events leading up to the assault. Lorena stated that John sexually, physically, and emotionally abused her during their marriage. She also stated that John flaunted his infidelities, and forced her to have an abortion. Several witnesses provided testimony supporting Lorena's claims. Lorena's defense attorneys maintained that John's constant abuse caused Lorena to eventually "snap" as she was suffering from clinical depression and a possible bout of post traumatic stress disorder due to the abuse. However, when Lorena was arrested the night of June 23rd, she told the police, "He always have orgasm [sic], and he doesn't wait for me to have orgasm. He's selfish.".

John denied the allegations of abuse. However, when he was cross-examined, his statements often conflicted with known facts, severely weakening the prosecution's case.

After seven hours of deliberation, the jury found Lorena "not guilty" due to insanity causing an irresistible impulse to sexually wound her husband. As a result, she could not be held liable for her actions. Under state law, the judge ordered Lorena to undergo a 45-day evaluation period at a mental hospital, after which she would be released.

The Bobbitt case was one of the first unique scandals that brought public attention to the subject of marital rape. The case also brought attention to the issue of domestic violence. Within days of the incident, domestic violence and feminist groups rallied around Lorena, citing the continuous abuse she suffered at the hands of her husband that caused her to defend herself, albeit in an unusual and violent manner.

The name Lorena Bobbitt eventually became synonymous with penis removal. The term “Bobbittised punishment” gained social acceptance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_and_Lorena_Bobbitt



Now there's a woman who overcame her victimization at the hands of a man. And she didn't even have to go to jail for it. A couple of weeks in a psych hospital and it was all behind her.

If the changes in the sex laws intimidate you, Hawkeye, you better hope that “Bobbittised punishment” doesn't make a widespread resurgence. Laughing
You have no idea how many women admired Lorena. And still do.

You want the thread, Hawkeye, take it. Have fun talking to yourself. I think everyone else is pretty sick of listening to you.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 10:30 pm
@firefly,
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(Note: In 1994 he was tried for and acquitted of spousal rape, prosecuted by the same district attorney who prosecuted Lorena for attacking her husband.)


19fucking94, they still had "spousal rape"? Were the sentencing provisions different for your normal every day type of rape?

And there are some here who have suggested that there has been this consensus, for a long time, on what constitutes rape.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 10:39 pm
@firefly,
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Now there's a woman who overcame her victimization at the hands of a man. And she didn't even have to go to jail for it. A couple of weeks in a psych hospital and it was all behind her.
it got so bad that we had women killing men in cold blood and then getting off by making some vague claims of previous abuse, but fortunantly there has been a good deal of push back against this victim power play making shreds of any semblance of justice.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jul, 2010 12:41 am
@firefly,
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You want the thread, Hawkeye, take it. Have fun talking to yourself. I think everyone else is pretty sick of listening to you.


I know I am. He just goes around in circles and never makes a valid point. Other than he hates women. Except maybe for sex.

I, for one, will no longer give this fool an opportunity to spout his nonsense.

You, firefly, have made some excellent points and have maintained a cool head in spite of the garbage you have been dealing with here.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jul, 2010 12:56 am
@Intrepid,
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I, for one, will no longer give this fool an opportunity to spout his nonsense
I'd be interested to know what the process to shut someone up at a2k is? This sounds like delusions of grandeur to me. Maybe you have some powers here that I am not aware of? Are you going to be like idiot Bill and lobby to have me banned? This enquiring mind would like to know.

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He just goes around in circles and never makes a valid point.
I certainly dont agree with that, but I always encourage people to make up their own minds.

I am not worried, Bill has been willing to discuss this subject with me for the last year, I dont have any reason to think that he is susceptible to being bullied into stopping. We will be just fine without you, it only takes two people to hold a conversation. Others can follow along or ignore us as they see fit.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jul, 2010 05:23 am
@Arella Mae,
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No decent woman would go around and accuse a man of rape so perhaps you might think about the type of woman you are hanging with? It's so funny to me in a sick kind of way, is put down over and over again because people think Christians try to dictate morality. I DON'T SEE HAWKEYE AND BILL OR ANYONE ELSE THAT AGREES WITH THEM DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY! Well yes I do, they want to dictate


No good/ decent man would rape a woman either however there are evil men who will rape a women and there are just as many evil women in the world that would be willing to level false charges.

Evil people do not always wear signs on their back either.

We do not need criminal laws to control the good people of society we need the laws to deal with the evil people both men and women.

Christianity had been put down for is long history of killing and torturing people once it had gotten into power not for enforcing a moral code.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jul, 2010 05:31 am
@firefly,
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Hawkeye, men like you convince women that Lorena Bobbit had the right idea. She skipped reporting the facts of her abuse and rape to the police and simply took matters into her own hands...literally.


LOL and they both got off as far as the criminal justice system is concern and the guy ended up making a porn movie if memory serve me correctly.

Some good doctors it would seem.

I
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jul, 2010 05:41 am
@BillRM,
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Evil people do not always wear signs on their back either.
we all have have evil in us to some degree or at least the potential for it, which is why all of the ranting and raving about evil rapists and how they need to be blooded as much as possible is such a cold blooded lack of compassion when we should know better that the cause has to be pathological. This has to be transference, where the doo-gooders out to rid the earth of evil rapists are exactly like the faithful of yesteryear who were out to rid the earth of sinners....it is an exercise in trying to deny the evil within them by exaggerating the evil outside of them and going to war with it. Our ancestors used the bible as the rationalization for this exercise in denial, moderns use the law book.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jul, 2010 06:01 am
@firefly,
I would love to know if firefly is married or not and if so the poor guy email so I could send this posting to him of his wife defending some sick nut claiming mistreatment/rape in the married bed as justification to cut off his penis when he was sleeping.

Somehow I do not think she is married however or at least not likley married to someone with a penis. Evil or Very Mad
panzade
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jul, 2010 11:49 am
@BillRM,
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Somehow I do not think she is married however or at least not likley married to someone with a penis. Evil or Very Mad


Man, this attempt at slander is SO wrong in A2K it's like everyone is holding their breath and not posting.

I'm trying to imagine Firefly or any one saying:" Bill is not likely married to someone with a vagina."
This stuff is so pointless Bill. Can't you discuss without traipsing through the sewage?
Rockhead
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jul, 2010 11:52 am
@panzade,
agreed...
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jul, 2010 01:37 pm
@panzade,
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Man, this attempt at slander is SO wrong in A2K it's like everyone is holding their breath and not posting.
this is sarcasm right? Because a2k does a very brisk business in trading slander. I assume that Bill is aware of what a2k is.
 

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