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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2010 07:48 am
@BillRM,
I will use whatever feature I choose to use on this forum. It is my right just as it is your right. I vote you down to show my disdain for your disrespect and absolute lack of compassion.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2010 10:26 am
@Arella Mae,
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I will use whatever feature I choose to use on this forum. It is my right just as it is your right. I vote you down to show my disdain for your disrespect and absolute lack of compassion.


I agree completely.

However, I'd also add that his claims that he is speaking "the truth" are absolutely absurd. Whatever statistics have been posted by us, regarding sexual assaults, are all from highly reputable sources that are widely accepted as the best we have to go on at this time. We are not making anything up, we are not promoting "an agenda" of any type, we are not trying to win a debate. We are simply trying to discuss the problem of rape, the different situations in which rape occurs, rape prevention, rape myths, and rape awareness.

To play with statistics, as Billy Buffoon has done, in an attempt to minimize the problem of rape, or to claim that a substantial number of all rape reports are false allegations, is not only a deliberate distortion of all of the available facts, and grossly misleading, it is also beside the point. None of that changes the fact that rapes occur, that rape is a reality of life for females, of all ages, around the globe. Rape also affects males as both victims and as loved ones of females who have been sexually assaulted. Trying to sweep the problem of rape under the rug, or to minimize its impact and often devastating consequences, is to perpetuate the problem of continuing sexual violence, particularly toward women. It is only by talking about it that we can work toward trying to contain and deter rapes, and help us understand the factors that contribute to rapes. Only by talking about it, can survivors of rape gain the understanding, and support, and help that they need.

The one who has been promoting "an agenda" is Billy Buffoon. With belittling, insulting, sarcastic, insensitive, and frequently downright offensive, comments, throughout this entire thread, he has tried to subvert the discussion of rape as a reality of life in the lives of far too many females and males. His agenda has been mainly to promote the claim that men are victimized at the hands of lying, untrustworthy women, something that is so universally condemned it hardly needs him as an advocate, but it is an issue he has exploited out of all proportion to a discussion of the realities of rape in the lives of most people--particularly the lives of those who have been sexually assaulted, or those who fear they might be assaulted.

Whether we choose to ignore him, or vote him thumbs down, so we can read this thread without his often malicious "clutter", is frankly none of his business. His latest game playing, in trying to vote down our posts, is apparently his final effort to trash this thread. Having tried every other way of expressing his hostility toward women in general, toward the women posting in this thread, and toward me, in particular, for starting this thread and keeping it going, he is now trying to make our posts disappear with his own voting down antics. Does he really think we are so dumb that we would believe that an entourage of lurkers have quite suddenly appeared, quite late in this thread, and are all suddenly voting down our posts, including posts that are no more than recent innocuous unbiased news articles that have appeared on the Web? Brooke recognized what Billy Buffoon, the master of multiple IDs and computer stealth, was doing, and she exposed his pitiful ploy with his voting down nonsense.

Billy Buffoon has fully earned the disdain and disrespect he has gained from the women, and most men, who have posted in this thread. He seems to garner similar disdain in most threads in which he posts. Rather than seeking the causes outside of himself, he should take a long, hard look at what he says, and the manner in which he presents it, if he really wants to understand why he garners the overwhelmingly negative reactions that come his way.

Regardless of what Billy Buffoon does or says, this thread will continue as long as someone has something to say about the topic of rape. He's not going to silence a discussion of this topic. He is free to continue to make a fool of himself, and we are free to continue to ignore him.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2010 11:15 am
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Sexual violence: A survivor’s guide
Monday, October 18, 2010

If Samar Kaukab Ahmad sounds passionate about her work as executive director of the Columbus-based Ohio Alliance to End Sexual Violence, it’s because she herself is a survivor of sexual violence.

“As a sexual violence survivor, I understand the devastating impact that sexual violence can have upon an individual’s life,” said the 31-year-old Powell resident, who has a law degree from OSU and logged a number of years experience working in the non-profit sector before taking over the directorship of OAESV earlier this year. “Sexual violence is a trauma that has lifelong consequences. But it’s possible to eradicate sexual violence from our society.”

Founded in 2008, OAESV’s mission is to advocate for the needs of sexual violence survivors statewide. The organization gives support and advocacy to activist organizations working for the rights and needs of survivors. The group gets funding from the U.S. Department of Justice Office of Violence Against Women, the Ohio Attorney General’s office. In addition, it has applied for grants. Gradually, it’s been getting the word out across Ohio.

But Ahmad has her work cut out for her. One of the unfortunate aspects, Ahmad said, surrounding the crisis of sexual violence is that it’s extremely under-reported. And Ahmad said a big challenge is getting people to step forward and talk about their trauma.

“You have to realize that the effect sexual violence has on a person can be devastating. It can lead to depression, acting out and the total inability to form a healthy relationship. It can create long-term issues that are akin to Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.”

In fact, PTSD is a syndrome that many sexual violence survivors experience. The violence incites fear and confusion, and sometimes utter despair.

“Sometimes, unfortunately, sexual violence leads to suicide,” said Ahmad. “It’s a tragedy.”

Ahmad points to horrific statistics. In their lifetime, one in four women will be survivors of sexual violence.

“And violence includes sexual abuse, improper sexual conduct as well as the obvious crimes of rape,” she said.

Ahmad was born and raised in Cincinnati, the daughter of Pakistani parents — a father who was in real estate and a mother who was a doctor. She said her parents’ support was crucial in overcoming the trauma of her exposure to sexual violence.

“With the support of my family and my husband I was able to overcome the wounds,” she said. “Having strong support is crucial to healing.”

She said the biggest challenge facing her and OAESV is “changing the norm.”

“”It’s still a taboo subject. And survivors don’t know where to go.”

At the same time, there are many gaps in service. Not every town in Ohio has a rape crisis center. And not every hospital has a special nurse examiner trained in sexual assault.

“We also lack culturally appropriate services,” she said. “For example, if a Somali woman is raped where will she go? She might not have anywhere to go.”

Even so, Ahmad said, with all the challenges, she keeps her eyes on the prize.

“We’re out to end sexual violence. It’s a lofty goal but an attainable one. And we’re taking it one step at a time.”
http://www.delgazette.com/local.asp?ID=2188&Story=1
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2010 02:05 pm
@Arella Mae,
Oh, good grief, now that paranoid loon thinks we're following him around and voting down his posts in other threads. Why on earth would we want to follow him around? He has an overblown sense of his self importance. We don't want to read his posts in here, so we're certainly not going looking for them elsewhere. But, something tells me, that since that is the way he thinks, that he'll be following us around and voting us down with his multiple IDs--if he isn't already doing that.

To make this a censorship issue is really off the wall. He's personally insulted us continually throughout this thread. That we now choose to bypass his crap is our option. It's not stopping him, there is no censorship. But, if he keeps up what he's been doing, by targeting us with multiple thumbs down votes, cast by his multiple IDs, as a form of personal revenge, he may well be in violation of A2K rules about such things.

The guy can't accept that many people at A2K find him offensive, and that will be reflected in threads other than this one. It has nothing to do with whether he expresses unpopular ideas, it has a lot to do with his personality and how he chooses to express himself.

It's sick that he should be taking this voting business so seriously. The man needs to get a life. We're just trying to discuss the topic of rape.
OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2010 02:41 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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I will use whatever feature I choose to use on this forum. It is my right just as it is your right. I vote you down to show my disdain for your disrespect and absolute lack of compassion


Sorry you and your friends are using it as a weapon of censorship.

Sooner or later you will learn that it is not a working idea but you are very slow in that learning it would seem.
The voting threshold is, by design, the way A2K allows the community to disappear unwanted (and in your case disgusting) content. That your demented, illiterate nonsense is being voted out of sight somewhat regularly is precisely what the system is designed to do, to save the trouble of moderating garbage manually.

I, for one, find it annoying that Robert has thus far allowed you to circumvent his system with impunity and hope he will soon take steps to prevent your tampering... before this site earns the nickname of Able2Troll.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2010 03:19 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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I will use whatever feature I choose to use on this forum. It is my right just as it is your right. I vote you down to show my disdain for your disrespect and absolute lack of compassion


Sorry you and your friends are using it as a weapon of censorship.

Sooner or later you will learn that it is not a working idea but you are very slow in that learning it would seem.
Seriously, can you be any more dense? If I don't want to talk to somone, I won't. If I don't want to read someone's posts, I won't. It has nothing to do with censorship. What I do on my computer effects me. If I choose to read your idiotic nonsense postings then I can click on view. And if I want to click on them just long enough to click on thumbs down then I'll do that too. You big baby!

No one is trying to censor you. If that were the case we'd be lobbying to get your butt thrown off of A2K! I think we have all been more than fair with you yet you refuse to do the same with anyone else.

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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2010 03:22 pm
@firefly,
Well, I will admit that if I am posting on the same thread he is I'm gonna vote him down and I won't apologize for it.

Have there been any updates on the trial in Jersey? I need to catch up on the thread. Was soooooooooo busy this weekend.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2010 04:22 pm
@Arella Mae,
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Well, I will admit that if I am posting on the same thread he is I'm gonna vote him down and I won't apologize for it


I really haven't done that. I don't generally bother with voting in other threads. If I don't agree with someone, and I want to express that, I'll reply to them. When I've been on other threads with him, like Hawkeye's man-bashing thread, or the mosque thread, I think I've mainly not bothered to respond to him. Generally, someone has already replied to him and said the same things I would. But I certainly wouldn't follow him around, and I don't think you would either, Arella Mae. We're not gluttons for punishment.Laughing In this thread it has been different because responding to him has become pointless. We have acknowledged the valid on-topic points he's made, and he's repeated those same few points ad nauseum, but he doesn't reciprocate or respond in any way that helps to facilitate a discussion of the problem of rape, and he's persisted in insulting us. At this point, enough is enough. I've had it. I don't want to bother with his posts any more, so they get a thumbs down.

I haven't seen any new updates on that incest trial yet, Arella Mae. I'll post them as soon as I see them.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2010 08:27 pm
@firefly,
I want nothing to do with him on any thread. I've had my fill too.

I'm sorry I haven't been really active in the thread the past few days. Been busy working with JJ.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2010 08:40 pm
It seems even the Queen has trouble with help:

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BELLEVILLE, Ontario – A commander who was a rising star in Canada's military pleaded guilty Monday to the murders of two women, the sexual assaults of two others and dozens of breaking and entering charges in which he stole panties from the bedrooms of girls as young as 11.

Col. Russell Williams, who once flew prime ministers and served as a pilot to Queen Elizabeth II during a 2005 visit, was the commander of Canada's largest Air Force base until he was charged earlier this year.

He pleaded guilty Monday to two first-degree murder charges, two sexual assaults and 82 breaking and entering charges in a Belleville, Ontario court. The 47-year-old faces an automatic sentence of life in prison with no possibility for parole for at least 25 years.

Williams was expressionless and dressed in a somber dark suit, and he kept his head down as the charges were read. The list of charges was so long that it took nearly 40 minutes to read it into the record.

"Guilty, your honor," he said after the charges were entered.

Prosecutors said Williams targeted girls and women in their teens and 20s and often photographed himself in their underwear.

At the sentencing hearing following his guilty plea, prosecutors warned the court they would be presenting evidence that was "extremely disturbing." Prosecutor Lee Burgess said much of the facts will be difficult for his victims to hear, but said it was "important to have a full account of the crimes."

Burgess began presenting photos showing Williams wearing a 12-year-old girl's cartoon-decorated underwear. Other photos showed him wearing underwear belonging to 11-year-old twins.

Many of the photos showed Williams masturbating in the stolen lingerie, either wearing it or with it draped over himself. People in the courtroom, many of them victims and their families, were in tears and appeared stunned. Roxanne Lloyd, the mother of murder victim Jessica Lloyd, clutched a frame photo of her daughter, wiping away tears as the prosecution relayed details of Williams' fetish behavior.

In another photo, Williams appears to be wearing his military uniform with his trousers dropped to show he is wearing pink panties. Burgess also presented evidence of Williams photographing himself naked with one of his victim's sex toys.

In each photo, he looks serious, with little expression. As prosecutors presented the evidence, Williams was again void of expression, his eyes cast downward the entire time.

Authorities said Williams carefully catalogued the photos of himself in the victims' underwear with time and date stamps on hard drives in his Ottawa home. Some of the photos were panoramic shots of the victims' bedrooms. He would take the lingerie with him, keeping them in bags and boxes in his home and would sometimes burn them if he ran out of space.

Prosecutors also said Williams videotaped the assaults and murders.

Williams, who was born in England and raised in Canada, had a promising future with the military. The square-jawed officer was pictured with the British queen and her husband, Prince Philip, on the front page of the newspaper of Canadian Forces Base Trenton during their visit five years ago. He was photographed in January with Defense Minister Peter MacKay and Canada's top general during an inspection of a Canadian aircraft on its way to support relief efforts in Haiti.

He is alleged to have killed his second victim just over a week after he appeared with MacKay.

Williams pleaded guilty to the murder of Jessica Lloyd, 27, whose body was found in February, and Marie Comeau, a 38-year-old corporal under his command who was found dead in her home last November. Both women were asphyxiated.

Williams also pleaded guilty to forcible confinement, breaking and entering and sexual assault after two other women were attacked during separate home invasions in the Tweed, Ontario area in September 2009.

Williams, a 23-year military veteran, has never been in combat but has been stationed across Canada and internationally, including a stint in 2006 as the commanding officer for Camp Mirage, the secretive Canadian Forces base widely reported to be near Dubai. Investigators looked into other areas where he has been posted.

Williams' wife, Mary-Elizabeth Harriman, works as the associate executive director at the Heart and Stroke Foundation in Ottawa.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2010 08:53 pm
@Arella Mae,
Just for the record. Col. Williams was not in the employ of the Queen of England. He is a Colonel in the Canadian military.

Not, may I add however, a member of the military that we are proud of.
panzade
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2010 08:54 pm
@Intrepid,
A sad case that has been brewing for a number of years
Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2010 08:57 pm
@panzade,
True.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2010 09:02 pm
@Intrepid,
I'm sorry Intrepid. Maybe I got that headline mixed up with the Queen gets a rock from a Chilean Miner. My bad!

It's a shame how one person can make an organization look bad. But I certainly don't hold it against you Canadians. I think you are a rather nice lot.
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2010 11:36 pm
This case from India is disturbing--a doctor raped an apparently semi-conscious patient. The hospital seems to have tried to cover it up, alleging that the woman had a "mental problem".
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Mumbai: Test proves rape; doc sent nurse out of ICU
October 19, 2010

Mumbai: In a development that brings great shame to the medical fraternity and raises questions about the sanctity of protocol involving male doctors and female patients, medical reports have confirmed rape in Sunday's incident at Lotus hospital.

Dr Vishal Vanne, 27, accused of raping a patient in a semi-conscious state in the ICU, was produced before court on Monday; he was remanded in police custody till October 25. He was arrested under section 376 D (intercourse by any member of the management or staff of a hospital with any woman in that hospital).

"Medical reports have confirmed rape. Semen was found on her dress, on the bed and also on the underwear of the accused which confirmed his involvement in the crime. We are waiting for forensic reports," said police inspector Rajkumar Chaphekar from the Vashi police station.

The complainant -- the victim's husband -- has claimed that the accused was watching porn clippings on his cellphone before he raped his 30-year-old patient. "We have sent his mobile phone to a forensic lab in Kalina. We will get the details of the website on which he was watching the clippings from the service provider," a police official said on the condition of anonymity.

The incident took place on Saturday night, after the victim was admitted to the hospital after complaining of giddiness during Durga puja celebrations. Her husband took her to Lotus hospital where she was initially admitted to the general ward; she was put under the supervision of Vanne (BAMS) (RMO) and administered saline. Vanne, a resident of Ghansoli, is unmarried and stays with his parents. He has been working with the hospital for the last one-and-a-half years.

"Since the patient was semi-conscious, there is also a possibility that the doctor might have injected some medicine which he is not supposed to give to a low blood pressure patient. We are investigating if he had given any sedative to the victim," the officer said. Vanne later recommended that she be shifted to the ICU.

"The management did not reply properly when I went to question them. They are trying to support the accused. Police should take action against them," her husband said.

ACP (Vashi) Purushottam Karad said, "The nurse was sleeping outside the ICU as she wasn't well. If the involvement of any other person is proven, we will take strict action."
http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/mumbai-test-proves-rape-doc-sent-nurse-out-of-icu-60750

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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2010 11:56 pm
A female student at Emory University offers her views on that outrageous fraternity incident at Yale last week.
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Yale DKE: No Really Means No
By Eleanor Cheatham
Posted: 10/18/2010

This past Wednesday night, Delta Kappa Epsilon pledges marched through Yale University’s Old Campus — where the majority of first year women live — chanting, “No means yes, yes means anal!”

The pledges also took the chance to vary their call to rape chant by adding, “My name is Jack, I’m a necrophiliac, I f--k dead women.” (I dare say these young men learned a thing or two in their English courses this fall.)

Here’s how my initial thought process went: I am disturbed. But this is a college frat we’re talking about, so this is supposed to be funny. But is it actually funny? Do we really want to think that this is funny? Would it make my life easier to think this is funny? It’s not actually that humorous at all, but my initial instinct was to shrug it off and convince myself that it was, because that made it easier.

The distorted convolutions of my gut reaction to this incident on Yale’s campus demonstrate how context doesn’t always exactly work in our favor. Starting in middle school, we’re born and bred to define words through their context. I can still hear one of my English teachers harping over my shoulder as I type: “Look for the meaning in the sentence.”

Well, let’s apply this principle to DKE’s chant to incite and encourage the rape of Yale university’s freshmen women. This is what I extract as contextually significant in order of occurrence when it comes to these statements: boys, college, Yale, frats. Let’s compare this to what I don’t think about: the chanting and its themes representing societally sanctioned violence against women.

Analyzing this matter contextually, what prevents me from deeming this act as organized, coordinated, university-sanctioned violence against women is that I think: “these are boys — these are college boys, and they go to Yale.” These disgusting chants must be okay, because they go to a prestigious elite university, right? The intellectual sophistication and merit that is usually associated with students who attend a school like Yale makes us less likely to criticize them.

The regrettable lesson learned from this scenario is that if you are a frat boy from an affluent family at a prestigious private university, you can make such statements as “No means yes, yes means anal!” But anywhere else, a group of men chanting such statements would be criticized on the grounds of organizing, planning and sanctioning violence against women. What else can you term a mass of 20-plus adult men yelling at the top of their lungs that if a woman says no, you have the right to rape her?

What’s lost in the shuffle of this contextual mumbo-jumbo is that somewhere along the way, we’re subconsciously taught that “boys will be boys,” and that’s a right they retain. This includes and is not limited to the exclusive privilege of employing demeaning actions and verbalizing misogynist attitudes towards women. And if you are a woman in college, it is in your best interest to write off misogynist attitudes towards women as “funny,” because otherwise you will be shunned.

But this is not a legitimate approach. To the students of Emory and other universities: I ask you to critically evaluate the nature of your jokes and submit them to the same level of scrutiny you would hopefully be capable of applying to a college level course. And to the members of the Yale University chapter of DKE: I offer my deepest condolences for not being able to do so.
http://www.emorywheel.com/detail.php?n=28839


 

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