Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

Most men don't agree with him either

Ah no, Hawk. I probably discuss as many varied things as anyone on this board. The bullshit, like you've just tried here, that's so people don't have to face that awful truth. In this, you're as bad as everyone else.

The facts are there, right in front of everyones' nose and then up comes the defense mechanisms, shutting out reality and snuggling back into those warm, cozy feelings, the one made possible by all the propaganda you daily receive.

Someone, like you, Trepidation, who whines and wails about rather insignificant issues but studiously, actively, avoids stunning examples of mass rape, torture and murder, even of little children, is a walking talking dictionary entry for hypocrisy.

Really?

The funny part is that not one person had written that rape kits should not be tested in a timely manner or that rape crime should be look at and investigated with great resources employed to do so.

However none of that have anything to your drive/support to expand the meaning of rape so that the majority of men would now be declare rapists.

It does not aid rape victims to be spending the resources that should be used to track down the rapists to investigated if a woman who now have regret over having sex with a partner that she consent to have too must to drink or not before hands.

Do you EVER stay on topic? Your murder and torture stuff is getting real boring.

That is a truly bizarre statement.

Where in this thread did anyone (other than Hawkeye) even talk about expanding the meaning of rape, or propose laws that would have the majority of men declared rapists? Can you find the posts? I'd like to read them.

We have been talking only about currently existing rape laws. You seem to have difficulty understanding them, because your thinking reflects considerable distortions. Perhaps you should take some time to read the existing laws again...slowly. If you give it more time, you might understand them. Start by trying to understand the meaning of "consent".

You are more concerned with whether women are trying to victimize men, than the topic of the thread-- that men are constantly victimizing women, through unwanted sexual assaults, and getting away with these crimes.

Well, how would you feel if I said, "Those men deserved to be victimized. They asked for it"-- Think about that.

Interesting comment from a man who enjoys leading other to believe that he has some moral fiber.

Damn those brown-skinned foreigners, eh, Trepidation? Does it ruin your day to have to think about, more likely, not think about tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children brutally raped, tortured and murdered by US trained proxies?

Let's find some other insignificant legal case that you can pontificate about, that you can dazzle the crowd with your expressions of outrage and feigned morality.

Sorry not in the state of Florida have they allow a woman to get drunk of her own free will and then yell raped because she could not give consent.

See my posting of that part of sexual assault law in the state of Florida where it clearly does not cover someone willingly getting drunk.

So at least in my state at the moment most men can not be label rapists.
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c) "Mentally incapacitated" means temporarily incapable of appraising or controlling a person's own conduct due to the influence of a narcotic, anesthetic, or intoxicating substance administered without his or her consent or due to any other act committed upon that person without his or her consent. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This will be my last post to you, asshole. Even if I was American I wouldn't give a **** about your rantings. Rather than spout off to everybody and anybody within any thread about your hypocritical cause, why don't you go out and actually do something about it. Ranting on a forum seems to be getting you nowhere. You will be the only one that I have ever put on ignore. Damn, it feels good.

I dont think that anyone besides you Firefly has disputed that the definition of rape has been expanded. The proof that it has is irrefutable, because the definition of force has been changed beyond all recognition. It was not so very long ago the force meant having sex with someone in spite of their clear lack of consent, and now we are all the way to force is having sex with someone who you could potentially have the power to hurt if they were to say no to you. There is absolutely nothing in common between the meaning of force 40 years ago and today's meaning. You claiming that the definition of rape has not changed makes it impossible to take anything you say on the subject of rape seriously, because you can only either be lying trying to win the argument unfairly, or you are not connected to reality.

It a wonderful win win for women I will have a few drinks that way if I happen to do anything that I happen to regret later on it not my bad judgment it the evil man fault.

Sure I hopped into bed with you however you did not have my legal consent because I had have a few drink and therefore you evil man had raped me.

Silly beyond beliefs and as I pointed out a can of worms at least one state had not open and off hand I can not remember hearing of any rape charges being file in real life because some "lady" willingly got drunk and have sex in the US at least to this point.

Yes I can just see it now you was raped correct and how may drinks did you have and did do you normally have that many drinks and if so have you in the past had have sex with anyone and not claims raped afterward?

Wonderful means for women to escape their own bad judgments but it sure the hell is not rape.

Wow. What a subtle concept



I sorta get the feeling that you don't trust wimmens Bill.

I am more concerned with entrapment...power once granted will never go unused, the ability to get back at a lover that the woman is not happy with and with whim she wants to break it off with by creating a rape situation that will land him in a huge jackpot will not be passed up. It is far too tempting.

spoken like a guy who has zero experience with vindictive women. I am not sure if I should congratulate you on you extraordinary good luck, or warn you about women for your own good.

True.
But it isn't luck. I've been very selective with all my friends and lovers.
I get the feeling that both you and Bill have had some bad dealings with women. That **** happens.
Is it possible that it influences how you perceive the "manipulative" broad who cries wolf/rape?

That does not normally solve the problem...I had a female boss once, in a union shop, that spent the better part of a year using every underhanded scheme she could come up with to get me fired. Near as I could tell her problem with me was that I would not properly suck up to her and also be her friend.

I won, it was eventually she that got fired, for employee abuse, as she was going after someone who was not me.

Just one example of what I have run into..

"Hell has no fury like a woman scorned "

Very true!

I am sure not for granting women the right/power to lock up any sexual partner they care to at whim.

A agree with Kipling women are not children and they deserves far more respect then to live in a society that tell them that they have no duty to take ownership of their own poor judgments like any man need to.

If a woman decided to go to bed with a wrong man giving her an alcohol excuse is not helping her and surely is not fair to the man.



Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936)
The Female of the Species

WHEN the Himalayan peasant meets the he-bear in his pride,
He shouts to scare the monster, who will often turn aside.
But the she-bear thus accosted rends the peasant tooth and nail.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

When Nag the basking cobra hears the careless foot of man,
He will sometimes wriggle sideways and avoid it if he can.
But his mate makes no such motion where she camps beside the trail.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

When the early Jesuit fathers preached to Hurons and Choctaws,
They prayed to be delivered from the vengeance of the squaws.
'Twas the women, not the warriors, turned those stark enthusiasts pale.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

Man's timid heart is bursting with the things he must not say,
For the Woman that God gave him isn't his to give away;
But when hunter meets with husbands, each confirms the other's tale—
The female of the species is more deadly than the male.

Man, a bear in most relations—worm and savage otherwise,—
Man propounds negotiations, Man accepts the compromise.
Very rarely will he squarely push the logic of a fact
To its ultimate conclusion in unmitigated act.

Fear, or foolishness, impels him, ere he lay the wicked low,
To concede some form of trial even to his fiercest foe.
Mirth obscene diverts his anger—Doubt and Pity oft perplex
Him in dealing with an issue—to the scandal of The Sex!

But the Woman that God gave him, every fibre of her frame
Proves her launched for one sole issue, armed and engined for the same;
And to serve that single issue, lest the generations fail,
The female of the species must be deadlier than the male.

She who faces Death by torture for each life beneath her breast
May not deal in doubt or pity—must not swerve for fact or jest.
These be purely male diversions—not in these her honour dwells—
She the Other Law we live by, is that Law and nothing else.

She can bring no more to living than the powers that make her great
As the Mother of the Infant and the Mistress of the Mate.
And when Babe and Man are lacking and she strides unclaimed to claim
Her right as femme (and baron), her equipment is the same.

She is wedded to convictions—in default of grosser ties;
Her contentions are her children, Heaven help him who denies!—
He will meet no suave discussion, but the instant, white-hot, wild,
Wakened female of the species warring as for spouse and child.

Unprovoked and awful charges—even so the she-bear fights,
Speech that drips, corrodes, and poisons—even so the cobra bites,
Scientific vivisection of one nerve till it is raw
And the victim writhes in anguish—like the Jesuit with the squaw!

So it comes that Man, the coward, when he gathers to confer
With his fellow-braves in council, dare not leave a place for her
Where, at war with Life and Conscience, he uplifts his erring hands
To some God of Abstract Justice—which no woman understands.

And Man knows it! Knows, moreover, that the Woman that God gave him
Must command but may not govern—shall enthral but not enslave him.
And She knows, because She warns him, and Her instincts never fail,
That the Female of Her Species is more deadly than the Male.




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This poem can be found, for example, in:

Kipling, Rudyard. Rudyard Kipling's Verse: Inclusive Edition, 1885-1918. London: Hodder & Stoughton, 1919.
Felleman, Hazel, ed. The Best Loved Poems of the American People. Garden City, NY: Garden City Books, 1936.