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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
panzade
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 11:54 am
@Intrepid,
You're a good man
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 12:00 pm
@JustBrooke,
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Seems to me that if you get all pissy about injustice due to lying, you should include the bastards that walk away from their crime, leaving their victim to watch over her shoulder constantly for fear of it happening again, not to mention the fact she will forever carry around the pang of injustice perpetrated upon her by some sick, lying piece of ****.


It is not an either or thing that if you are concern about injustice to men you are not concern about injustice to women or the other way around.

We happen to be talking more about injustice to men here as no one had defend rapists under the normal meaning of the term rape and people had been more then willing to made light of injustice to men on this thread.


Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 12:03 pm
@BillRM,
Hey Bill, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 12:06 pm
@BillRM,
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Therefore all husbands and all boyfriends who had have sex with their partners after heavy drinking are in fact in theory rapists even if the woman does not press charges or think that she been rape as legally under your theory of rape she had indeed been raped.


This isn't my "theory". It's the law pertaining to rape. If the woman hasn't indicated consent, because she is too intoxicated to do so, or is so intoxicated she doesn't know what is even going on, she is not legally capable of giving consent. Therefore, if you have sexual contact with her under such conditions, you would be raping her. Check the rape laws.

Why would you want to even have sex with a woman who was too drunk to know what was happening, or even actively participate in the sex act? Do you prefer women who are passed out cold? Are you that repulsive that you have to resort to that?

Based on your track record with women, including your former wife, who accused you falsely of assaulting her, take my previous advice--consider celibacy or masturbation.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 12:07 pm
@BillRM,
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Therefore all husbands and all boyfriends who had have sex with their partners after heavy drinking are in fact in theory rapists even if the woman does not press charges or think that she been rape as legally under your theory of rape she had indeed been raped.
the feminists are more than fine with this, they are attempting to use sex law to permanently alter the power balance in the whole of the relationship. In their minds men have always overpowered women, still do, and they are attempting to balance the scales. However, men never subjugated women as badly as they think, do not at all today on balance, and what is actually happening is any further universal shifting of power towards women increases the superiority that they already have in relationships on the whole. Equality was passed over a decade back, but the feminists being as biased as they are, with such strong preconceived notions as they have, and being as unwilling as they are to test their theories in real life do not have a functional understanding of reality.

I blame in large part women studies departments of universities, where women's fantasies have always been allowed to parade as reality with zero testing and with zero participation of view points that stray from the party line. The situation is so bad that many men believe this clap trap, even though their own life experience should give them a clue that something is wrong with the feminist story line.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 12:10 pm
@firefly,
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Why would you want to even have sex with a woman who was too drunk to know what was happening, or even actively participate in the sex act? Do you prefer women who are passed out cold? Are you that repulsive that you have to resort to that?
is there even a single person here who has not at some point had sex when one or both partners were drunk? Drunk sex tends to be pretty damn good sex, why would we want to deprive ourselves of that?
Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 12:11 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hmmm. I am not a femminist.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 12:16 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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Why would you want to even have sex with a woman who was too drunk to know what was happening, or even actively participate in the sex act? Do you prefer women who are passed out cold? Are you that repulsive that you have to resort to that?
is there even a single person here who has not at some point had sex when one or both partners were drunk? Drunk sex tends to be pretty damn good sex, why would we want to deprive ourselves of that?


I haven't. How do you equate drunk sex with good sex? Is that the only way you can get it?
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 12:17 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
is there even a single person here who has not at some point had sex when one or both partners were drunk?

Yup.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 12:38 pm
@hawkeye10,
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However, men never subjugated women as badly as they think


http://cdn.buzznet.com/assets/users12/bad321/default/burka-band-burka-blue--large-msg-116077240786.jpg

Sure, the "feminists" have made all this stuff up as part of their "story line". Women have never really been subjugated or humiliated by men, and certainly not when it came to sex...or rape.

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In 1998, Judge Navanethem Pillay of the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda said:
"From time immemorial, rape has been regarded as spoils of war. Now it will be considered a war crime. We want to send out a strong message that rape is no longer a trophy of war."

Rape, in the course of war, dates back to antiquity, ancient enough to have been mentioned in the Bible. The Israelite, Persian, Greek and Roman armies reportedly engaged in war rape. The Mongols, who established the Mongol Empire across much of Eurasia, caused much destruction during their invasions. Documents written during or after Genghis Khan's reign say that after a conquest, the Mongol soldiers looted, pillaged and raped.Rogerius, a monk who survived the Mongol invasion of Hungary, pointed out not only the genocidal element of the occupation, but also that the Mongols especially "found pleasure" in humiliating women.

The systematic rape of as many as 80,000 women by the Japanese soldiers during the six weeks of the Nanking Massacre is an example of such atrocities. During World War II an estimated 200,000 Korean and Chinese women were forced into prostitution in Japanese military brothels, as so-called "comfort women".French Moroccan troops known as Goumiers committed rapes and other war crimes after the Battle of Monte Cassino. (See Marocchinate.) The Red Army carried out a massive campaign of gang rape as they went through Germany.

It has been alleged that an estimated 200,000 women were raped during the Bangladesh Liberation War by the Pakistani army (though this has been disputed by many including the Indian academic Sarmila Bose , and that at least 20,000 Bosnian Muslim women were raped by Serb forces during the Bosnian War. Wartime propaganda often alleges, and exaggerates, mistreatment of the civilian population by enemy forces and allegations of rape figure prominently in this. As a result, it is often very difficult, both practically and politically, to assemble an accurate view of what really happened.

Commenting on rape of women and children in recent African conflict zones UNICEF said that rape was no longer just perpetrated by combatants but also by civilians. According to UNICEF rape is common in countries affected by wars and natural disasters, drawing a link between the occurrence of sexual violence with the significant uprooting of a society and the crumbling of social norms. UNICEF states that in Kenya reported cases of sexual violence doubled within days of post-election conflicts. According to UNICEF rape was prevalent in conflict zones in Sudan, Chad and the Democratic Republic of Congo. It is estimated that more than 200,000 females living in the Democratic Republic of the Congo today have been raped in recent conflicts.Some estimate that around 60% of combatants in Congo are HIV-infected.

In 1998, the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda found that systematic rape was used in the Rwandan genocide. The Tribunal held that "sexual assault [in Rwanda] formed an integral part of the process of destroying the Tutsi ethnic group and that the rape was systematic and had been perpetrated against Tutsi women only, manifesting the specific intent required for those acts to constitute genocide." An estimated 500,000 women were raped during the 1994 Rwandan Genocide.

The Rome Statute, which defines the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court, recognizes rape, sexual slavery, enforced prostitution, forced pregnancy, enforced sterilization, "or any other form of sexual violence of comparable gravity" as crime against humanity if the action is part of a widespread or systematic practice.

Rape was first recognized as crime against humanity when the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia issued arrest warrants based on the Geneva Conventions and Violations of the Laws or Customs of War. Specifically, it was recognised that Muslim women in Foca (southeastern Bosnia and Herzegovina) were subjected to systematic and widespread gang rape, torture and enslavement by Bosnian Serb soldiers, policemen and members of paramilitary groups after the takeover of the city in April 1992.

The indictment was of major legal significance and was the first time that sexual assaults were investigated for the purpose of prosecution under the rubric of torture and enslavement as a crime against humanity. The indictment was confirmed by a 2001 verdict of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia that rape and sexual enslavement are crimes against humanity. Amnesty International stated that the ruling challenged the widespread acceptance of the torture of women as an intrinsic part of war.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape

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Hawkeye10:
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In their minds men have always overpowered women,


Sure, Hawkeye, it's all "in our minds". Men have never really overpowered women, have they? Rolling Eyes

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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 12:39 pm
@firefly,
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Why would you want to even have sex with a woman who was too drunk to know what was happening, or even actively participate in the sex act? Do you prefer women who are passed out cold? Are you that repulsive that you have to resort to that?


Who said that she needs to be that drunk not to be able to give consent?

There seem to be no standard of any kind to how to judge if a women can or cannot give consent once she had one drink.

Is it the same as DUI more or less and if you carry around a breath tester and she blow less the .08 in front of witness are you safe from a rape charge after the fact or not?

The whole idea that a man can be charge with rape if she willingly get drunk and then agree to having sex because she might or might not be in a state to grant consent is silly.

Less see she can not give consent before the drinking begin as only a consent at the time of the intercourse is valid, she can not give consent then because of the drinking and she can not legally give consent afterward.

We need to build enough jails to house the majority of the male population it would seem.

And then how can you wonder that more and more of us is looking at the direction that rape laws are going toward as completely insane.

Kind of similar craziness to charging teenage girls and boys with the crime of child porn for sharing naked pictures of themselves with each other.

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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 12:50 pm
@CalamityJane,
CalamityJane wrote:

Don't put them on ignore Arella Mae. These people need fierce opposition
so others can read how wrong they are. If we give them free reign than some
reader might think, it's okay what they're saying. The more opposition they get the sooner it dies down.
I hear what you are saying Calamity but on the other hand I feel like engaging in this any further is only giving them the audience they desire. They have a right to what they think and believe but honestly, it makes me just want to puke.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 12:54 pm
@firefly,
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Based on your track record with women, including your former wife, who accused you falsely of assaulting her, take my previous advice--consider celibacy or masturbation.


I do not think that my current wife will be happy if I stop having sex with her even if according to your crazy logic I had rape the poor woman more then once.

We need to build more jails so most of the men can be safely lock up.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 12:57 pm
@Arella Mae,
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it makes me just want to puke.


Hopefully you are feeling that way because of the postings and not because of drinking as any drinking and having sex well result in your partner/husband being send to prison at least in theory.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 12:58 pm
@Arella Mae,
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I hear what you are saying Calamity but on the other hand I feel like engaging in this any further is only giving them the audience they desire. They have a right to what they think and believe but honestly, it makes me just want to puke.
our argument has fact, logic and examples in real life to back it up, you participating or not is not going to make one bit of difference....this problem can no longer be swept under the rug with flip empty statements like "rape is rape", or avoided entirely by ignoring the questions/concerns and calls for reform.

If you dont want to take the problem seriously that is your right, but others will, the debate will continue on without you.
Khethil
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 01:04 pm
Its really a shame that this thread's subject was tainted with the whole false-accusations issue; as if that had any bearing on whether or not a woman can be "asking" for rape.

Sad - why not start another thread on False Accusations. Hell, I'll join in.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 01:06 pm
Oh under Florida law willingly getting drunk see not to be cover. see below.

(c) "Mentally incapacitated" means temporarily incapable of appraising or controlling a person's own conduct due to the influence of a narcotic, anesthetic, or intoxicating substance administered without his or her consent or due to any other act committed upon that person without his or her consent.

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 01:14 pm
@Khethil,
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Its really a shame that this thread's subject was tainted with the whole false-accusations issue; as if that had any bearing on whether or not a woman can be "asking" for rape.
this thread long ago became a full debate about sexual politics and sex law. It is very comm0n for a2k threads to be conversations that start with an idea or question and then go global. Look at the Obama thread as an example. Some people bitch about it, but this migration of topics is clearly the will of the majority, because we do it all of the time.

Those who bitch and talk about people ruining threads with extraneous stuff instead of starting new threads most of the time are actually trying to power over people they want to shut up, because they know that had a new thread been started it would have gone no where. It is a move to separate out and then kill off unwanted ideas and/or unwanted people. This seperate and kill power play you will see attempted over and over at a2k.

JTT is an exception to this, as JTT continues to be all about one thing, and puts that one thing in any random thread without concern for the thread topic.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 01:49 pm
@hawkeye10,
What a pile of crap you spew. The real reason you don't want to start a new thread is that, by your own admission and speculation earlier, you are afraid it will be thumbed down. Try the truth for a change.

I too, although participating in this nonsense, have wondered why a separate thread was not started. It is not because the majority don't want it, as you claim.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 01:51 pm
@hawkeye10,
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our argument has fact, logic and examples in real life to back it up


And your presentation and conclusions are so "accurate" that not a single women posting in this thread has agreed with you. That really confirms you are right on target, doesn't it?

You, of course, understand women far better than they understand themselves.Rolling Eyes

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this problem can no longer be swept under the rug...or avoided entirely by ignoring the questions/concerns and calls for reform


I agree entirely. The system that allows hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of rape kits to go untested should not be allowed to continue. The system that fails to fully investigate a woman's report of rape should not be allowed to continue. A climate that blames the victim for her own rape, because of the way she dressed, how much she drank, or the fact that she flirted, or how many past sex partners she had, should not be allowed to continue. The fact that some men cannot accept that when a woman says, "No" she means it, or they feel, "she asked for it", should be recognized as attitudes contributing to the acceptance of rape as permissible, and this should not be tolerated.

You are right, Hawkeye, there are many concerns about the problems of rape, and the blame the victim mentality. There is much that needs to be reformed so that more rape victims can be encouraged to file police reports and endure the process of taking their case to trial. It is horrifying that rapists can so easily escape punishment for their crimes.

So, do you want to discuss some of the real concerns and issues relating to this topic?

Or do you just want to continue to espouse your half-baked ideas about how "anti-sex feminists", and the government, are eroding your personal freedom to sexually exploit, or abuse, or harm, any female you want to, even if she is still young enough to be wearing braces on her teeth?

All you are interested in is trying to win an argument. You really don't pay attention to the things being discussed in this thread, about the problems of rape for the rape victims, or the problems of getting crimes of rape prosecuted. You make no real effort to understand why people have such negative reactions to your ideas. You chalk it up to the fact that everyone, save you, has been brainwashed into accepting feminist crap, and only you can see the truth. But your thinking is so essentially narrow minded and egocentric, you wouldn't know the truth if you tripped over it. You have no case to make. Your thinking, on most sexual issues, never moves beyond what serves your immediate needs and your interests. If you think that's the "truth" you've been talking to yourself too long.

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this thread long ago became a full debate about sexual politics and sex law


No it didn't. It's only you who hopped up on that soapbox to regale us with your questionable theories about sociological matters. Who else here has been discussing "sexual politics"? And what does that have to do with rape?
 

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