Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@DrewDad,

Actually, I agree with you on this, DrewDad. I have the same feeling and regret using that as an example. I just thought it may be something that Bill would understand.

I wish to retract that particular comparison as I made it but do not actually agree with it.

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@Intrepid,

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So, you are more concerned that the possibility of a false rape charge than you are with the large number of actual rapes that occur.

And how is punishing one crime going to effect punishing the other crime?

Both type of crimes should be punish at a high level.

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@BillRM,

You didn't respond to my other questions.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Charging someone knowingly falsely of rape is just as evil and just as morally bad and should be punish at the same level as rape is now.

...in your opinion.

Your elected representatives feel differently, however.

Why don't you run for office and work on getting that law changed?

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@BillRM,

The fact that the woman can walk and talk, while intoxicated, simply means she hasn't passed out yet, but she can be quite drunk, extremely drunk. It does not mean she fully understands what is going on, or has consented to sexual activity, and, in addition, the alcohol might impair her ability to resist or protest.

So, if you proceed to have sexual contact with a woman who is in a very intoxicated state, and, when she sobers up, she is shocked and horrified to find her panties around her ankles, yes I do believe she could accuse you of rape, particularly if a medical exam finds evidence of your semen on her clothing or in her vagina, or anywhere else.

The point is, if you aren't completely sure you have her consent, and that she is in condition to consent, don't touch her. Just because she is drunk doesn't mean she's asking to get raped.

I assume you are old enough to know when a woman is fully coherent and alert and when she isn't, and when she is willingly and happily and actively participating in sexual activity, and when she isn't. And if you can't recognize those behaviors and cues, you shouldn't be having sex with anyone.

I never said that preying on a woman was equivalent to rape. One can prey on a woman in many ways, such as fleece her out of money. What I did say was that regarding a woman as prey is one characteristic of a rapist's attitude toward women.

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@DrewDad,

I am expressing my opinion now if you do not agree with it would you like to take a moment to tell us all how trying to used the legal system to placed an innocent man in prison for 20 years to life is somehow morally less of a sin then the act of rape?

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

I am expressing my opinion now if you do not agree with it would you like to take a moment to tell us all how trying to used the legal system to placed an innocent man in prison for 20 years to life is somehow morally less of a sin then the act of rape?

Now you are addressing morality. Something that you have yet to display in these threads. You are also talking about sin. While both are important, the topic that has been discussed is the legality. You are unable to provide factual evidence on this so you, as usual, go into some other area to try to defer the fact.

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@firefly,

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So, if you proceed to have sexual contact with a woman who is in a very intoxicated state, and, when she sobers up, she is shocked and horrified to find her panties around her ankles, yes I do believe she could accuse you of rape, particularly if a medical exam finds evidence of your semen on her clothing or in her vagina, or anywhere else.

And to so make it harder to punish real rape the more you expand the meaning of the act to cover more and more.

So first the law now is such that a woman can not grant permission after the act, if she said no and was force then she is a rape victim under our laws.

So it does not matter in theory if she wake up madly in love or regreting her sex acts the night before as she can not had been rape or not rape depending on how she feel the next morning about the sex acts.

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@Intrepid,

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Now you are addressing morality

So it is now your position that our laws should not reflect our moral code in how serous an illegal deed again another person is or is not?

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@BillRM,

Did I say that? Read again.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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I think false accusation is a feather in a pile of coal,

It is a feather until it does happen to someone you care about.

Second whether such claims are common or uncommon does not address the stand others here had taken that when it occur it is a minor matter that does not call for very serous punishment.

A minor charge of filing a false police report would cover it!

I think they should harshly punish women who make false claims of rape. They should face the same jail sentence that the man would have faced had he been guilty. It is a HUGE injustice for anyone to be accused of rape they did not commit. It is also a HUGE injustice for the rape to have actually occured and the man walks free because he lies about it, which happens more often than not. The lies go both directions.

Here's the thing - While it does sometimes happen that women lie about such things, I am sure that it happens much more often that men lie about the fact that they did indeed rape the woman. Are you equally angry at the lies told by men to get out of punishment? Rape can be very difficult to prove when it is a he said-she said case with no witness that it happened without consent. These same men get away with rape, and they likely continue to go out and rape again. Seems to me that if you get all pissy about injustice due to lying, you should include the bastards that walk away from their crime, leaving their victim to watch over her shoulder constantly for fear of it happening again, not to mention the fact she will forever carry around the pang of injustice perpetrated upon her by some sick, lying piece of ****.

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@BillRM,

Why on earth would a woman who enjoyed being with you, and enjoyed having sex with you, and made those feelings very clear to you, suddenly turn around and viciously accuse you of raping her?

Do you only associate with women who don't enjoy you, or your love-making techniques? Or do you only associate with women who are extremely emotionally disturbed, with wild mood swings, and sociopathic tendencies?

If you just plain don't trust women, perhaps you should consider either celibacy or masturbation. Those are pretty safe choices.

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@firefly,

He might change his mind afterwards. Bill would be in a real quandary then. Wink

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@Intrepid,

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Now you are addressing morality. Something that you have yet to display in these threads. You are also talking about sin. While both are important, the topic that has been discussed is the legality. You are unable to provide factual evidence on this so you, as usual, go into some other area to try to defer the fact.

Major hypocrisy, eh, Intrepid. You oughta change your name. It's just not you.

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@JTT,

Hey, asshole..... Can you ever make a post without using the word hypocisy? Do you know any other words? Do you ever put your brain in gear before posting? Nothing but crap from you.

At least Bill and Hawkeye try to make their point. You don't have enough sense to form any thought that does not include the word hypocricy. You don't even know the meaning of the word or you would see it when you look into the mirror.

Do you ever address the topic of the threads that you hijack?

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@Intrepid,

hypocricy.
hypocisy?

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You don't even know the meaning of the word or you would see it when you look into the mirror.

Spelled correctly I would hope.

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@firefly,

Why?

It does not matter why what matter is that no one should be able to charge another person with a life crime because of how she feel about an act after the fact.

And as I said in theory if we allow the standard any consent given after drinking is worthless she had indeed been raped as she can not give consent under such conditions before hands and under our current laws she can not grant permission after the fact.

Therefore all husbands and all boyfriends who had have sex with their partners after heavy drinking are in fact in theory rapists even if the woman does not press charges or think that she been rape as legally under your theory of rape she had indeed been raped.

Just cheerfully following your logic to it ends points to show how expanding the meaning of rape in the direction you seem to wish for will end up with crazy results.

Second, I had an ex-wife who did lied under oath to the courts concerning assault so why would she not also done so concerning rape as the possible punishment now for doing so is the same and very light. Thank god that did not happen as I unwisely have sex with her once during the divorce but before I found she had lied to the courts.

A large percent of women in custody fights according to studies I had seem also had no problem claiming their husbands had sexual abused their children falsely.

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@panzade,

I didn't know this was a spelling contest. I spelled it the same way JTT did.

The intent of my post remains the same.

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@Intrepid,

It wasn't. I was teasin. JTT prides himself on his perfect English.
Everybody ?...lighten up a little?

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@panzade,

Thanks. A bit tense, I guess. Smile

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