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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2010 07:55 am
@firefly,
I do not understand how anyone can think rapes are not escalating in the US. How many reports of them are there a day? One is too many. The reported brutality of the rapes seems to also be escalating. It's no longer just raping and leaving, which is bad enough, it is now the more violence the better it seems (for the rapist that is).

I am wondering about the different degrees of rape. Surely, as in cases like the Cambridge attack, sentencing would be much stiffer? I know some people do not believe long prison sentences are a resolution but, as a rape survivor, I have to say I'd rather they were off the street for as long as possible.

I do believe people can change though and I am sure there are some that are out there that raped at one time in their life and came to realize their crimes and stopped.

I think Osso is right about the media elaborating so much. It is important that people know the brutality of the crime so they can be informed but I don't think we need every detail.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2010 12:26 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
OK. I guess if they're under contract for this specific thing - there was recourse. I guess some chicks complain and some don't. I like the ones that don't.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2010 12:28 pm
@Arella Mae,
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I am wondering about the different degrees of rape


In New York State, there are 3 degrees of rape, ranging from the most forcible to those in which physical force may not be a factor. Statutory rapes are included within those as are the other instances where the victim is deemed not able to give legal consent. They are all felonies but the sentencing guidelines differ according to the degree of rape. In states where the term "sexual assault" has replaced the term "rape", similar distinctions are made in terms of the nature of the assault and the severity of the punishment.

But generally a person is charged with other crimes besides just rape because other elements are usually involved--weapons, physical assaults, burglary/robbery, injuries etc.--or simply because the act itself prevents the victim from fleeing because someone is on top of her. A D.A. will pile on every violation of law that fits the entire situation, and not just a rape charge, and, because that increases the potential length of sentencing, that puts pressure on guilty defendants to take a plea and avoid a trial.

These home invasions, which do seem to be occurring with more frequency in my area, particularly with the elderly, all have the potential to turn more violent and brutal. There is a big difference between forcing your way into an occupied home and breaking into one which is empty. If someone is at home, you are looking for some sort of confrontation with the victim--whether it is to rape, or otherwise physically attack--the opportunity to discharge aggression, and not just burglary, seems a big part of the motive. The aggression, often of a sadistic nature, is a component of the rape, just as it is the component of rapes in many other types of situations. In that case that just occurred in Boston, the father was forced to watch the rape of his 11 year old son, so part of the sexual aggression was clearly directed at the father and not just the child. The father was stabbed viciously when he then tried to protect the child from further sexual assault, again suggesting the aggression was focused on the father. It is like raping a man's wife in front of him--the violence is really being directed at both the rape victim and the helpless loved one forced to witness it.

Before getting involved with this thread, I don't think I ever gave a great deal of time to trying to understand the crime of rape, and I never really discussed the topic of rape with anyone before--certainly not to the extent we have done in this thread. I knew how victim/survivors were affected, and I understood some of the motives for rape (generally power, dominance), but I don't think I fully appreciated the sociopathic nature of all rapes, including the date rapes that the trolls would have us believe are either harmless "non rapes" or "grey rapes" or part of "normal" acceptable behavior on the part of males.

I am now convinced that there is a strong sociopathic element in all rapes, including date rapes, particularly those which are not followed by genuine guilt or remorse on the part of the perpetrator. The most basic rights of the rape victim are not only violated, they seem not to be even considered at all, and neither are the rape laws. Besides the illegality of the rape act, there is a basic immorality operating that transforms a blatantly wrong act on the part of the rapist, into something that is seen as right and as acceptable by the rapist and by those in the larger society who defend such acts. And that is the mentality that underlies all victim blaming. That is the mentality that transforms "what I did to her was wrong" into "she asked for it" or "she wanted it" or "everyone does it, what's the big deal" . I used to think that was sexist thinking, but now I think I see it as much more essentially sociopathic in nature, and much more serious in its implications, because we have ostensibly "normal" people doing things, like date rapes, without any guilt about it at all, and that's why these situations, which seem to occur with considerable frequency on college campuses, become rather frightening in terms of their implications. Just because you can get away with doing something hardly makes it "right"--either legally or morally.

The trolls, in particular, have put forth this rather sociopathic view of such date rapes, with attempts to deny both the illegality or immorality of what is going on. Hawkeye asserts that such rapes are "acts of passion" and part of normal male/female "intimate relationships", rather than seeing them as assaultive crimes of opportunity with vulnerable victims. He sees rape laws as "anti-sex" and "prudish" because he doesn't even connect with the assault, and violation, and exploitation, that is occurring with these crimes. He does exactly the same thing when discussing child pornography and age of consent laws. That's a very sociopathic way to view rape and child porn. And BillRM wants us to believe that really intoxicated women are as fully and freely and willingly consenting as their sober counterparts, and that their next morning "regrets" really aren't sober realizations that they were, in fact, raped. Again, this is a sociopathic way of viewing a rape--the rapist wasn't wrong, he wasn't even committing a rape, because the simple fact the rape was possible, without significant force being used, means she had to be consenting. That is utter nonsense, and it is a sociopathic rationalization of a sexual assault.

And, unfortunately, the trolls aren't the only people who think that way, which is one reason that such rapes don't get reported, or prosecuted, and rapists continue to repeat their acts. Sure, those brutal stranger rapes that make the headlines grab our attention and make it clear that rape isn't about "normal" sexuality, that it is an aggressive act. But the ones that do not make the headlines are all those date and acquaintance rapes, which are the majority of rapes, which don't have gory or sensational details, but which are clearly the same violations of a non consenting victim's body, and are just as clearly real rapes. It's time to stop pretending, or accepting sociopathic excuses, these are real rapes. Rape is rape.

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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2010 12:52 pm
This case, an acquaintance rape, from today's news, is about a rapist who did feel guilt and remorse about what he did--he's not sociopathic, he's not hiding behind excuses, although he did try to make up excuses at the time of the act (he told the victim she should not have been on the couch). His drinking doesn't excuse his behavior, but it does help to explain it. But this man seems to have a normal conscience--he knows rape is wrong. He spoke to the woman about what happened, and he apologized to her, he was concerned about her. He took responsibility for his actions. He turned himself in to the police. Personally, I think that should affect how he is sentenced.

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Rapist apologises to victim in court
Adrian Lowe
October 9, 2010

A RAPIST has apologised in court for attacking his housemate of three days while ''very drunk'' and telling her that she shouldn't have slept on the couch.

A teacher's aide from Lilydale, aged 31, drank at home for several hours in November last year before going to a bar and drinking heavily.

He had been sharing the inner-suburban house with a woman for three days after she advertised a spare room on a classifieds website, the Victorian County Court heard yesterday.

The woman left a window open for the man to return home after he left his keys behind. When he arrived, he found the woman asleep on the couch, wearing a dress without any underwear. He digitally and orally raped her, which woke her.

He then told his housemate: ''It was bound to happen. You shouldn't have fallen asleep on the couch.''

The man pleaded guilty yesterday to one count of rape. In an unusual move, the man took to the witness box as part of his plea of mitigation.

He explained to Judge Jane Campton that he and the woman spoke about what he had done and he handed himself in to police in the days after the attack and on moving out.

He said a combination of mental health issues and excessive alcohol consumption had led to his out-of-character offending.

''I went to the police because I'd done something wrong. I was feeling guilty [and wanted to] alleviate any stress on [her] by going to the police,'' he told the court. ''I'm very sorry for my reckless, foolish behaviour and can only hope the impact [on her] diminishes at some stage.''

He testified that he had attended detox and had cut back on his drinking, but admitted he had not become a teetotaller.

He also conceded that career aspirations of becoming a high school teacher were ''seriously compromised''.

Judge Campton will sentence the man later this month.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/rapist-apologises-to-victim-in-court-20101008-16c25.html
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