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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 09:35 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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people who view women as prey, who have no respect for the woman in these encounters, and who have no regard for the need to have a willing, freely consenting partner,


If a male and it always the evil males placed pressure of a non-physical kind on a woman to have sex with him IE no force or threat of physical force then could that be raped or not?

Male “preying” on women is not raped if no force or threat of force is used or unwilling drugging had occurred in my opinion.

Under some conditions, it could indeed be breaking others laws such as sexual harassment in the work place but that still in not rape.

If a boss stated that, a woman will be fired if she does not sleep with him that surely is a case of breaking Federal and state workplaces laws and but not the rape laws. Such is “preying” but not raped.

If a man stated to his girlfriend that if she does not end her boycott of no sex with him at once he will kick her out of his home that is surely ungentlemanly of him but that is not rape either.

If a man cheerfully provided the funds to allow his date to willingly get a little loss and then had sex with her without any force when she still can walk and talk that is not rape. I might agree with you under some conditions it would be unmoral “preying” on a lady but it is not rape.

To sum up the act of “preying” is not the same as rape and to try to define it so just reduce the outrage people feel toward real rape and help reduce women to children that need the protection and control we give children.





Rape is when a woman says no and the man disregards it! I don't care if they live together, know each other, are married, etc. I am going to put you on ignore along with the others that would uphold rapists. It is just sickening.
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 09:38 am
@Arella Mae,
Don't put them on ignore Arella Mae. These people need fierce opposition
so others can read how wrong they are. If we give them free reign than some
reader might think, it's okay what they're saying. The more opposition they get the sooner it dies down.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 09:39 am
@DrewDad,
By the way DrewDad by as you are looking at this every male who had gone out drinking with a female and then had sex with her, even now if she happen to be his wife, is opening himself up to a charge of rape.

In other word over 9o percent of the male population could be charge with many rapes in his life along with some percent of the women.

That fact alone degrade the charge of rape to almost a sad joke.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 09:42 am
@CalamityJane,
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What do you understand under "willingly get a little loss"?

Aside from that, if you pay her dinner that doesn't mean you're entitled to sex,
on the contrary - you invited her, it's your call and her time she spends with you.
Any time spent with you should be paid royally regardless.


We are talking about her saying yes dear not no!!!!!!!!

And whether she would then after saying yes last regreting that consent and be able to charge rape because she had been drinking.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 09:45 am
@Arella Mae,
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Rape is when a woman says no and the man disregards it! I don't care if they live together, know each other, are married, etc. I am going to put you on ignore along with the others that would uphold rapists. It is just sickening.


And who is saying that is not correct here?

However can she say yeas and after the fact claimed rape not that she did not say yes to begin with.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 09:52 am
@CalamityJane,
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Don't put them on ignore Arella Mae. These people need fierce opposition
so others can read how wrong they are. If we give them free reign than some
reader might think, it's okay what they're saying. The more opposition they get the sooner it dies down.


It would be useful if you would read what I am saying not make up nonsense to attack that I never said.

I never stated that that a no is not a no and anyone who then used force or threat of force to have sex with the person saying no is indeed guilty of rape.

I am however saying that if a woman does in fact grant consent she can not than lightly later claim rape if she regret giving that consent.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 09:59 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

By the way DrewDad by as you are looking at this every male who had gone out drinking with a female and then had sex with her, even now if she happen to be his wife, is opening himself up to a charge of rape.

In other word over 9o percent of the male population could be charge with many rapes in his life along with some percent of the women.

That fact alone degrade the charge of rape to almost a sad joke.

Only if you posit that every male who has gone out drinking with a female is a complete idiot.

It's not a problem if she has a couple of drinks. It is a problem if she's drunk, and you're not.

I do believe that in cases where both parties are drunk, then both parties should be held equally responsible.

On the third hand, I think it's stupid that people go out and get drunk, too.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 10:01 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

By the way DrewDad by as you are looking at this every male who had gone out drinking with a female and then had sex with her, even now if she happen to be his wife, is opening himself up to a charge of rape.

In other word over 9o percent of the male population could be charge with many rapes in his life along with some percent of the women.

That fact alone degrade the charge of rape to almost a sad joke.


90%, you say? Where DO you get your statistics? You still do not understand the definition of rape. You have no clue except that you like to argue about whatever the topic is on any thread.

I am not sure if you are some little bugger in favour of rape or some misinformed munchkin who likes to get attention.

Is your wife aware of your thoughts on rape?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 10:03 am
@BillRM,
Just how many women do you think would want to go through the humiliation and trauma of reporting false rapes?

Do you have statistics on this or are you just making assumptions based on your own experience?
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 10:08 am
@DrewDad,
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Only if you posit that every male who has gone out drinking with a female is a complete idiot.

It's not a problem if she has a couple of drinks. It is a problem if she's drunk, and you're not.

I do believe that in cases where both parties are drunk, then both parties should be held equally responsible.


So I had indeed gone out with my wife drinking a few times over the years and she had gotten completely drunk and I had only a few drinks and was not drunk and then we had gone home and have sex so I am a rapist in your eyes?

Or am I only a rapist if she regret having sex with me for some reason the next morning?

You do not yet see how silly your position is?
Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 10:10 am
@BillRM,
Was she awake at the time?

Does she have sex with you when she is not drunk?
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 10:12 am
@BillRM,
30 years ago, there's no chance you'd get charged with rape.

Social standards change, though. That's kinda the point.

So, yes, I think you're treading on dangerous ground. What if you were to introduce some sexual practice to which she wouldn't agree if she were sober?
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 10:12 am
@Intrepid,
Probably not (on purpose)!
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 10:13 am
@Intrepid,
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Just how many women do you think would want to go through the humiliation and trauma of reporting false rapes?


It does not matter how many as long as it is not zero and we know it is not zero as far as the punishment for the crime of reporting a false rape is concern.

The hooker/dancer who turn the seven Duke players lives into hell did not seem to have a problem with the humiliation and trauma of reporting false rape charge for example.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 10:13 am
@BillRM,
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A minor charge of filing a false police report would cover it!


You really don't get it. You cannot charge someone with a crime greater than the one they actually committed. If someone files a false rape report, they have submitted a false statement to law enforcement, and interfered with the conduct of justice. You really can't legally charge them with much more than that. The criminal offenses they committed were against law enforcement, and not against the man they named. And yes, the penalties can be minor, or more severe (as I think they were with the Balloon Boy hoax). But it is up to law enforcement to decide whether they want to press charges because they were the injured party in terms of the criminal behavior involved.

Although your sympathies are with the man who has been falsely accused, his only recourse is in civil court. He can try to sue his false accuser for causing him emotional pain and damaging his reputation and character. He could also try bringing a suit against the police department or the county if there was inadequate reason to believe the accuser before charges were lodged. If successful, he could collect monetary compensation.

Just because you want serious charges and stiff punishments placed on the false accuser does not mean that is the way the system can, or will, operate. In terms of criminal law, the woman has interfered with law enforcement and the justice system. She is not criminally libel for how this affected the man she accused. Filing a false police report and committing rape are not equivalent criminal actions under the law and they will never be punished equally.

Your harping on this simply reveals your lack of understanding of how the justice system operates, and how it will continue to operate. Some things are resolved in the criminal courts, other things are resolved in the civil courts.

And false accusations are in no way as serious as the problem of law enforcement not even following up on the reports of rape that women do file. Cities have backlogs of hundreds and hundreds of rape kits that have never even been examined. What kind of justice is this for the women who have filed reports of rape? How does this encourage a victim to come forward to report a rape? How does this lack of interest by law enforcement emotionally impact the woman who has been raped? How does she feel when they act like they don't believe her, or take her attack seriously enough to even investigate it?

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It is a feather until it does happen to someone you care about.


Your insensitivity is stunning. You persist in your sympathy for the man falsely accused, in excess of any feelings you have expressed for the women who have been raped. And you say these things to a woman, osso, who has shared with us the fact that she was raped. Where is your concern or sympathy or empathy for her? As I said, your insensitivity is stunning.

Can you give the false accusation issue a rest now? I really don't think there is much left to say on this issue.

Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 10:13 am
@CalamityJane,
Laughing
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 10:14 am
@DrewDad,
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What if you were to introduce some sexual practice to which she wouldn't agree if she were sober?


Thank for giving me an idea.........
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 10:17 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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Just how many women do you think would want to go through the humiliation and trauma of reporting false rapes?


It does not matter how many as long as it is not zero and we know it is not zero as far as the punishment for the crime of reporting a false rape is concern.

The hooker/dancer who turn the seven Duke players lives into hell did not seem to have a problem with the humiliation and trauma of reporting false rape charge for example.


emphasis mine

So, you are more concerned that the possibility of a false rape charge than you are with the large number of actual rapes that occur.

Given your thinking, the death penalty should be abolished for killers because of the possibility of someone being falsely convicted.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 10:24 am
@Intrepid,
Intrepid wrote:
Given your thinking, the death penalty should be abolished for killers because of the possibility of someone being falsely convicted.

Actually, I think the death penalty should be abolished partly for that very reason.

It's not a good comparison to Bill's rape argument, though, because there is no appeal from death if new evidence becomes available.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 10:25 am
@firefly,
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You really don't get it. You cannot charge someone with a crime greater than the one they actually committed. If someone files a false rape report, they have submitted a false statement to law enforcement, and interfered with the conduct of justice. You really can't legally charge them with much more than that. The criminal offenses they committed were against law enforcement, and not against the man they named. And yes, the penalties can be minor, or more severe (as I think they were with the Balloon Boy hoax). But it is up to law enforcement to decide whether they want to press charges because they were the injured party in terms of the criminal behavior involved.


There is no bar from changing the law to make such behavior a serous serous crime and it should be serous indeed.

You are all for laughing such a crime off as girls will be girls yet if I laugh off rape in the same manner you would rightly charge me with being a monster.

Charging someone knowingly falsely of rape is just as evil and just as morally bad and should be punish at the same level as rape is now.

I find it amazing that any moral person could think that a slap on the wrist is more then enough punishment for such a deed.



It is just as bad mor
 

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