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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 02:46 pm
Either the Trolls really are incredibly stupid, or they stupidly enjoy playing dumb about understanding "consent". They want to be able to sexually assault an intoxicated woman and not have it called "rape". And those mean old rape laws, which have been on the books for awhile, say they can't do that. Boo hoo. They'd have to pass up an opportunity to take sexual advantage of a woman, and that would really be the end of the world, wouldn't it? Rolling Eyes Well, in their case, it might present a problem, because what fully sober female would want to consent to having sex with them? Laughing And so, they bitch about unfair sex laws meant to ensnare men. Well, life's not always fair, boys, and those laws are on the books, and they are staying on the books. So ya betta learn how to figure out if you have consent....let's make it real simple for you...

How to know if you have consent..
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Ask first, and wait for an answer.

If there is no answer, there is no consent.

If the answer is unclear, ask again with more detail.

If the answer is No, respect it.

A person influenced by drugs or alcohol is not capable of making an informed decision.

Asking a person incapable of making an informed decision to engage in sexual activity puts the person asking at very high risk of committing criminal or civil violations.

If you respect yourself, and care about others, wait to talk to the person after they are sober.



Ah, but the Trolls will say, "I thought I had consent, she acted like she "was asking for it".

Well, let's consider this story...

Once upon a time, the Trolls came home drunk, and forgot to lock their car, leaving their brand new expensive laptop, ipod, and GPS device all clearly visible on the front seat. By leaving these enticing things visible, in an unlocked car, they'd "be asking" to get burglarized, right? They'd just be "offering" that stuff up to anybody who walked by, right? But, in the morning, when they'd sobered up and found their stuff gone, they'd be ticked off and mad as hell. They might even blame themselves. But they report the theft anyway. And the cops tell them they arrested a guy on a DWI and he had that same property in his car , but he claims it was given to him, that the trolls owed him money and they said he could take the stuff in the car, they'd leave it unlocked for him. So, he says he had "consent". Trolls, cry, "Bull, we want our stuff back, the man's a thief!" Who to believe?

Turns out the man had other stolen property with him, and a rap sheet with priors. He finally confessed, but said, "They were asking for it. Anybody who leaves a car unlocked is giving their stuff away--I was a little drunk and I really thought those things were "freebees". Trolls shook their pointy little heads and said, "We were drunk, we left the car unlocked, but we didn't invite you to take our stuff. You are a thief. We want you punished".

Moral of story? Unless someone has clearly given you consent to take their property, or to enter their body, you don't have it, and you are breaking the law. Opportunity to do something is not consent.

The Trolls understand the meaning of consent just fine...if they don't want to be ensnared by rape laws they should obey them.



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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 03:34 pm
Will he say, "She was drunk, but she knew what she was doing, and she wanted it"?
And, would you believe him? Is he just another poor sap ensnared in those awful rape laws the Trolls complain about? Rolling Eyes

This is why we need those rape laws--including the laws pertaining to consent with drunken or not fully conscious women. A rapist is a rapist is a rapist.
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October 1, 2010
DA: Rapist re-offended once freed from prison
By Julie Manganis
Staff writer

PEABODY — After Stephen M. Foley completed a nearly two-decade prison term for rape, prosecutors tried to keep him locked up as a sexually dangerous person.

But Foley was released. Now, he's facing new rape charges.

Foley, 49, is a Level 3 sex offender, deemed at the highest risk of re-offending, who claimed to the state Sex Offender Registry Board that he was homeless and living in Cambridge.

But police believe Foley was actually living at his sister's home at 13 Parlee St. in Salem when he met the woman who prosecutors now say is his latest victim.

Foley was indicted Wednesday afternoon by an Essex County grand jury on two counts each of rape and indecent assault and battery.

The charges stem from an alleged incident inside a Peabody home, where the woman had gone with friends — and Foley — after a night out at O'Neill's, a downtown Salem pub, on the evening of Aug. 21 and the early morning hours of Aug. 22.

The woman, in her early 40s, had met Foley a couple of weeks earlier at another restaurant, through mutual friends, and the two had seen each other a couple of times since then. The woman told police that Foley was "clingy" and made her feel "uncomfortable," according to a police report.

Despite that, Foley went along with the woman and her friends when they went to a home in Peabody and continued drinking.

The woman said she later woke up and found herself naked, with Foley atop her.

The following morning, the woman was unable to find her underwear, according to a police report.

Foley had previously given the woman his name and the Parlee Street address, and she also had a photo of him on her cell phone.

After further investigation by Peabody and Salem police, Foley was arrested.

He's been held without bail since his arrest, after a Peabody District Court judge deemed him too dangerous to release.

Prosecutors cited Foley's record, which includes convictions for rape of a child with force in 1982 and 1986 and a 1985 conviction for the rape of a Salem State College student, for which he was sentenced to 191/2 to 20 years.

Essex County prosecutors had tried, at the conclusion of his prison term, to keep Foley locked up as a sexually dangerous person. But while Salem psychologist Robert Joss concluded that Foley was likely to re-offend, he did not fit the other criteria for being deemed sexually dangerous because he is not suffering from mental illness.

Based on that, Foley was released.

Foley, according to the police report, had also listed an address in Nahant in the past.

Prosecutor Kristen Buxton said Foley is expected to be re-arraigned in Salem Superior Court on Oct. 25.

If convicted, he faces up to 20 years in prison on each of the rape counts and additional time on the indecent assaults.
http://www.salemnews.com/local/x1776834311/DA-Rapist-re-offended-once-freed-from-prison


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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 03:55 pm
@BillRM,
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Hawkeye it is unlikely that men and women sexual partners are going to have law degrees and going to be able of deal with pages of legal opinions on the issue of consent as they get into bed together.
Invalidating consent after the fact must be used very sparingly by the courts, for just this reason. To make a man a rapist when he had valid reasons to think that he was having sex with a willing partner is not fair to the man. The standards must be both clear before the act, as well as reasonable. We are already at or near the unreasonable marker, so it is important that we take a close look at any further proposed changes in sex law.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 06:20 pm
@BillRM,
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Oh my lord now there is a drive to define rape as gaining consent for sex by lying about your religion or if you have a wife or your income or..........

It was only a matter of time when we decided that rape was all about consent, that force was no longer required. We have gone pretty far down the rabbit hole, but we are no where near the bottom yet.

Fun times....
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 06:57 pm
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 07:01 pm
Like I have said before, a man knows when he is crossing the line. Now, the trolls are trying to find a way to make it legal. It's disgusting. Hope neither of them leave their car unattended because according to them, the thief had consent! How idiotic can one, I mean two be?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 07:06 pm
@firefly,
Our country is going to hell in a hand basket, but we seem intent on having the state spend boatloads of time, energy and money micro managing the sexual choices of the citizenry......talk about failure to prioritize! Talk about your basic failure to protect the citizens from undo intrusion into our private lives on the part of the government. Now that the state feels free to regulate our sex lives our dinner choices is sure to be next.
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