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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 10:48 am
@OCCOM BILL,
"Why does this site continue to cater to demented trolls, who revel in the pain and suffering of others?"

It obviously helps him to get it up.

He probably wouldn't vote for Christine O'Donnell, the anti-masterbation wing nut.

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 12:18 pm
@BillRM,
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BumblebeBoogie are you trying to force me to read crazy Occom Bill posting to find out what the hell you are talking about?
Nothing new...Idiot Bill is still play acting the part of Morality Stormtrooper, trying to rid A2K of people and ideas that he does not approve of.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 12:47 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
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Why does this site continue to cater to demented trolls, who revel in the pain and suffering of others?

That's a good question. Although it's more that the internet, and not just A2K, has provided these creeps with a means of venting their anger and bitterness and hostility toward others. Whether they are dumping on women, or racial groups, or religious groups, as their scapegoats, in order to give themselves some false sense of superiority, their posts actually invite, and receive, condemnation and ridicule.

One does have to wonder why they continue this demented game. That they would sink so low just to have some scrap of recognition, even of the most negative sort, tells you a lot about how these particular men have failed in their real lives, in their real relationships, in the real world. These inadequate nobodies can make themselves feel like somebody just by seeing their name in print on a post, and they can reveal the crap that festers inside of them that they would never dare expose in real life because they'd likely be punched out by the decent men who like, admire, respect, and love women, and don't want to see them hurt. So, bored and ignored in reality, they troll here, releasing their mental farts and stinking the place up. Thank heavens for the Thumbs Down and Ignore buttons that help to clear the air.

I want to thank you for jumping in here periodically to slap these creeps down. That's exactly what has to go on in real life to help stop rape. It's the real men who have to speak up to help stop the sexism, and hostility toward women, that contributes to the crime of rape. It's men who have to let other men know that such attitudes are not acceptable, they are not "manly"--women alone cannot do this. Rape is not a joking matter, it's not something that any normal person banters about--and men have to send that message loud and clear. Thank goodness that we have men like you, and Intrepid, and panzade, and failures art, who step in here to say that. Your voices are the ones that matter.


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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 02:18 pm
Thought maybe it was time to post some more college rape statistics:

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http://abacus.bates.edu/admin/offices/scs/salt7.html

Statistics on College Rape

One out of four women will be sexually assaulted on a college campus. 1

One out of eight women will be raped while in college. 2

84% of women who were raped knew their assailant. 3

57% of rapes occur on a date. 4

75% of male students and 55% of female students involved in date rape had been drinking or using drugs. 5


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http://www.crisisconnectioninc.org/sexualassault/college_campuses_and_rape.htm

"1 in 4 women in college today has been the victim of rape, and nearly 90% of them knew their rapist."


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http://www.examiner.com/public-education-in-seattle/sexual-assault-and-rape-on-college-campuses

One in five will experience rape or attempted rape in their four-year college term, according to a 2000 report funded by the U.S. Department of Justice. "I don't think general attitudes about sexual assault have changed in the 30 years I've been doing it," said Rebecca Roe, Seattle-based attorney who specializes in sexual assault cases. "It's very, very depressing."


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http://www2.ucsc.edu/rape-prevention/statistics.html

Rape in College
In a study of 6,000 students at 32 colleges in the US, 1 in 4 women had been the victims of rape or attempted rape. (Warshaw, Robin 1994 "I Never Called It Rape")

42% of rape victims told no one and only 5% reported it to the police. (Warshaw 1994)

Of the nearly 3000 male students surveyed, 1 in 12 male students surveyed had committed acts that met the legal definition of rape or attempted rape. (Warshaw 1994)

Of these college males who committed rape (as legally defined), 84% said what they did was definitely not rape. (Warshaw 1994)

In another study, 13% of college women indicated they had been forced to have sex in a dating situation. (Johnson and Sigler, Jnl. of Interpersonal Violence, 2000)

A study of 477 male students, mostly 1st and 2nd year students, found 56% reported instances of non-assaultive coercion to obtain sex. Examples included: threatening to end a relationship; falsely professing love; telling lies to render her more sexually receptive. (Boeringer 1996, Violence Against Women:5)

Of the 22 substances used in drug facilitated rape, alcohol is the most common finding in investigations. (Jnl. of Forensic Sciences 1999)


Hmmmm, how about that? The statistics seem to all say pretty much the same thing!
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panzade
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 03:04 pm
@Arella Mae,
I think some of the statistics are absurd...like this site

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According to College Crime Statistics as reported on a website promoting self-defense, 42% of college women on campus are raped annually yet tell no one about this crime.


how does that jibe with this site?

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There are 35.3 incidents of sexual assault per 1,000 female students on a campus as recorded over a 6.91 month period (the academic year of ‘96 – ’97) as reported in the 2000 DOJ Bureau of Justice Statistics report “The Sexual Victimization of College Women.”


panzade
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 03:09 pm
Heather MacDonald wrote an interesting article where she said:
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If the one-in-four statistic is correct—it is sometimes modified to “one-in-five to one-in-four”—campus rape represents a crime wave of unprecedented proportions.

No crime, much less one as serious as rape, has a victimization rate remotely approaching 20 or 25 percent, even over many years.

The 2006 violent crime rate in Detroit, one of the most violent cities in America, was 2,400 murders, rapes, robberies, and aggravated assaults per 100,000 inhabitants—a rate of 2.4 percent.

The one-in-four statistic would mean that every year, millions of young women graduate who have suffered the most terrifying assault, short of murder, that a woman can experience.

Such a crime wave would require nothing less than a state of emergency—Take Back the Night rallies and 24-hour hotlines would hardly be adequate to counter this tsunami of sexual violence.


http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_campus_rape.html
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panzade
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 03:21 pm
Here's an actual stranger-rape victim talking about rape and bad sex

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When you talk about bad sex, I'd make a distinction between bad, as in "it just physically wasn't what it could have been," and bad, as in "I wish it never happened." Call it A) unpleasant bad sex and B) regretted bad sex. Then add rape as C).

OK, drunk-and-regretted-it sex -- that's a B. Unpleasant sex -- that's an A. Misunderstanding sex -- probably an A but maybe a B, depending on circumstances. Plain lousy sex -- that's an A. Forced sex with someone you know is a C, assuming this is truly forced, and not a game. Date rape is a C -- but again, definitions and assumptions play a part. If the girl was drunk and / or goes to his room and gets naked, it's not date-rape. Rape-rape of course is a C.

Do the As and Bs have much in common with the Cs?

I can say that regretted and bad sex have little in common with rape, at least in my experience. There's a sense of shame about both, and that's it. Regretted or bad sex -- okay, you did something dumb, you get over it in a day, a week, you're a little smarter next time (hopefully). So that's my take. Another woman could look at it a lot differently. And she might be right too.

There needs to be some generally agreed upon norms. For instance: "No doesn't mean no if your actions directly contradict what you're saying." But guys have to be real careful about the "she asked for it" defense. Sharing drinks or dancing with someone isn't asking for it. But as far as I'm concerned, getting naked and giving someone head definitely is asking for it.


Would you agree with this woman's view?

http://www.2blowhards.com/archives/2008/03/a_real_campus_r_4.html
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 03:52 pm
@Arella Mae,
Of course all the statistics say the same thing, Arella Mae.

Problem is, those who hate women express it by mocking those statistics. They claim they are inflated, "pumped-up". That means they want higher numbers, MORE RAPES, before they admit that there is even a problem. Suppose that 1 in 30 college women was being raped. Is that number acceptable to them? Do they care about any of the women who have been raped or will be raped? Of course not. In fact, discussions of rape may actually sexually excite them. Why else would Hawkeye and BillRM hang out in this thread, just to bash the topic of sexual violence against women? They actually enjoy fantasizing and thinking about raping women.

Thanks for re-posting that information, Arella Mae. Pretending it's not happening won't make the problem go away. People need to be reminded. And I'm very sorry that Brooke had to learn that someone she knows became one of those statistics and that the rapist was someone she thought she knew well. That rapist just shattered Brooke's sense of who she can trust.

No statistics are ever as powerful, or as meaningful, as listening to the stories of victims of rape. That's where people can really learn about the devastating impact this crime has on the lives of victims. And most people do listen and learn. That's what's important. The numbers are important too, but each rape is one too many, each rape is an a crime against a woman that should never have happened.



 

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