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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 23 Sep, 2010 06:40 pm
Priests, policemen, now a doctor accused of raping a patient. Who can one trust? A 26-year-old patient alleges the urologist injected her with Roxicodone during a visit to his office on July 23, 2009, then assaulted her after the drug took effect.
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Doctor accused of drugging and raping patient out on bond
By Ty Tagami
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
September 23, 2010

An Athens doctor accused of drugging and raping a patient can leave jail but must wear an ankle monitor.

Dr. Mark Adams was granted $100,000 bond Thursday, according to wsbtv.com.

Adams' medical license has been suspended, but he continued to see patients at his Baxter Street office during the yearlong investigation that started after one of his female patients contacted police.

"She felt like she was drugged and the sexual assault happened in his office," Athens-Clarke County police Cpt. Clarence Holeman told wsbtv.com.

Adams was lodged at the Athens-Clarke County Jail after he surrendered to authorities Sept. 16. He faces rape and sexual battery charges and must wear a GPS ankle bracelet while out on bond.
http://www.ajc.com/news/doctor-accused-of-drugging-619871.html


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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 23 Sep, 2010 06:45 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

He's basically been talking to himself throughout this whole thread. I wonder if even he can make sense out of his posts.Laughing

It's really very funny that he's too chicken to go post in buddy Hawkeye's thread on man-bashing. Thats really where his male-victimization "false accusation" rant belongs--that would be the appropriate thread for it. And Hawkeye looks like he needs old Billy's help in there. But the dolt remains here, being either ridiculed or ignored. Perhaps he's even too dumb to be able to find another thread... Laughing


This is how I picture Little Billy
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75/Intrepid2/IdiotMoron.gif
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 23 Sep, 2010 06:49 pm
Finally, a story with a positive aspect. This brave citizen did not ignore a woman's screams--he took action. I think he does deserve a medal or an award. He really is a hero.
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Hero saves woman from rape at Foster Avenue Beach
September 23, 2010
BY CHERYL V. JACKSON, ROSEMARY SOBOL AND RUMMANA HUSSAIN Staff Reporters

Stephen Kukenis was opening up the Broadway Beach House concession stand at the Foster Avenue Beach at noon Tuesday when he heard the screams.

They came from a beach house restroom just 20 to 30 feet away.

“It was happening right there. There was no time to call the police,” said Kukenis, 40, of Edgewater.
He dashed into the restroom to find a man allegedly attempting to rape a woman in the middle stall.

“I kind of forced my way in. I grabbed him by the arm and pulled him out,” Kukenis recounted.

“He punched me and looked like he was going in his pocket to get a gun or knife.”

But instead, the man, identified by authorities as Joseph Mbatchou, 29, fled the scene, but was quickly apprehended by police. Mbatchou, an ex-convict who lives on the 900 block of West Lawrence, was ordered held in lieu of $500,000 bail Wednesday. He was charged with attempted criminal sexual assault and misdemeanor battery.

Officials are crediting Kukenis with saving the victim, a 37-year-old woman, from a potentially horrible fate.

In a brief phone interview Thursday, the woman said she felt “incredibly lucky’’ that Kukenis intervened.

“Words can’t express how grateful I am for what he did,’’ she said.

Authorities said the woman was walking in the 5200 block of North Lake Shore Drive when she entered the beach restroom to wash her hands. She felt someone tap her on the shoulder, and as she turned around she was punched repeatedly in the face. Her head and face were slammed against a concrete wall, authorities said.

Mbatchou allegedly dragged the woman into a bathroom stall and began undoing his pants and trying to pull off her shorts, authorities said.

Another woman was heading to the washroom to change into her swimming suit when she heard the screams — which she though might have been because someone saw a “snake or animal in there,” the woman from the western suburbs said.

The witness, who asked not to be named, said she then saw Kukenis run into the washroom. Seconds later, he came to the door and called out to passersby to call 911 before running back in.

Kukenis was able to separate the victim from Mbatchou, but not before being punched in the face by the attacker as he fled the restroom, Cook County prosecutors said.

Mbatchou walked out “calmly,” took out a wallet and claimed, “I’m with the FBI,” the witness said.

“He was trying to bluff his way out. I didn’t believe him for a minute,” said Kukenis, who also pressed charges against Mbatchou.

The victim emerged from the washroom “barely able to walk” and screaming for someone to help her, the witness said. The woman handed her cell phone to the witness, who called police. Another witness followed the attacker on a bike, Kukenis added.

The victim suffered contusions to her face, head and body, and had to have five stitches above her eye, authorities said. She later identified Mbatchou in a line-up.

“She wouldn’t f--- me, so I beat her ass,” authorities said Mbatchou told police after his arrest.

Mbatchou, who is married and has a daughter, works at a homeless shelter, authorities said. He was sentenced to four years in prison for residential burglary in 2007, but spent only about a year in the Dixon Correctional Center before being released on parole in July 2008, according to the Department of Correction’s website. He was discharged from parole on July 5.

Kukenis, who works for Broadway Cellars Restaurant, which operates the beach concession stand, said it was “lucky we were open. If the weather was cool and rainy we wouldn’t have been open.’’

He realizes he stopped an attack that could have been far worse.

“She could have gotten seriously hurt,’’ he said.

But Kukenis, who isn’t married and doesn’t have children, said he didn’t think twice before going to help the woman.

“It’s no big deal,’’ he said. “It’s the right thing to do.’’

In fact, he asked police after the incident, “Wouldn’t anybody help?’’

Their response: “ ‘No.’ ’’

“I guess I’m old-fashioned,’ ’’ he said.

The witness said Kukenis “should get a citizen’s medal for having the nerves of steel.’’
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/2740270,foster-avenue-beach-hero-rape-092310.article
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 23 Sep, 2010 07:04 pm
@firefly,
God bless him!
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 23 Sep, 2010 07:44 pm
3,066 posts & 22,177 views later & we still don't have an answer? Surprised Wink

I gotta commend the folk on this thread for their resilience, or stubbornness, or conviction, or whatever ... wow!

I'll help you out, if you like: The answer is no, she can't.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 23 Sep, 2010 07:54 pm
From the Philippines, where they obviously regard the incestuous rape of a minor very seriously. This man's conviction was just upheld. The rapist-father, sounding a lot like BillRM, claimed that the daughter fabricated the story and that his wife brought the charges to get custody of the children. The court was wise enough not to buy his story--they believed his young victim/daughter and sentenced him to 14,400 years for what he did to her. He had initially been sentenced to death.
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14,400 years for 360 counts of rape
BY EVANGELINE DE VERA
September 23, 2010

THE Court of Appeals has affirmed the conviction of a "demonic father" who molested and raped his 13-year-old for more than a year in their home in Calamba, Laguna.

The CA dubbed the crime as "worst case record of sexual abuse of a minor in the annals of our jurisprudence."

In an eight-page decision penned by Associate Justice Mario Guarina III, the CA’s Eighth Division sentenced Carlos Henry Troy Donato Sr., a tricycle driver, to 14,400 years for 360 counts of rape filed by his daughter, whose name was not disclosed by the court to protect her identity.

Donato was originally sentenced to death by the Calamba, Laguna, regional trial court.

When the ruling was appealed before the CA, the sentence was modified to reclusion perpetua, or a maximum of 40 years in prison on each count.

According to the CA, the rapist father failed to controvert the positive identification by the victim, as well as the medico-legal report and the supporting affidavits of witnesses, including the siblings who overheard the cries of their sister.

The appellate court said Donato’s bare denials and alibis would not hold water against the probative weight of positive credible identification.

"The testimony of a rape victim who is still of tender years and brutalized by no less than a person of moral ascendancy in her family is generally given full weight and credence… A rape victim’s actions are most often overwhelmed by fear and emotion rather than by cool logic or reflection," the Court ruled.

In dismissing the claim of the suspect that his daughter had ample opportunity to reveal her ordeal to other persons, yet she did not do so until after one year, the CA said that Donato was able to "create a climate of psychological terror, numbing his victim into submissiveness and silence."

"Case law recognizes the sheer implausibility of young, immature children going public to accuse their fathers of rape if it were not true. It runs against the grain of human nature for them to fabricate stories that would only expose themselves and their families to shame and ridicule and cause a lifetime of imprisonment for their fathers," the Court said.

"Incestuous rape magnifies the terror because the perpetrator is a person normally expected to give solace and protection to the victim, and his proximity serves to heighten her helplessness and lack of direction… Delay and initial reluctance of a rape victim is not unknown or uncommon. It is a matter of ordinary knowledge that young girls usually conceal the dishonor committed on them by persons with ascendancy over them out of fear and helplessness," the CA added.

Concurring in the ruling were Associate Justices Apolinario Bruselas Jr. and Rodil Zalamea.

The victim said her ordeal began on January 2001 when her mother left for Hong Kong to work as a domestic helper.

She said she and her two younger siblings were left to the care of their father in a small rented unit at Villa Carmen, Mayondon, Los Baños, Laguna.

The victim said she was subjected by his father’s greed for lust for more than a year and on an almost nightly basis.

The rape went on for 386 days, except on days when she had her menstrual period, if it was her birthday or fiesta, during which time, his father would just force her to give him oral sex.

The girl’s ordeal ended in the summer of 2002, when she and her siblings went to their mother’s relatives in Pangasinan for a vacation.

She said she ultimately admitted her ordeal when her mother’s relatives questioned why she appeared reluctant to return home.

The victim’s mother, upon hearing the news, went home and accompanied her daughter to Camp Crame to report the crime and for the victim to undergo expect medical examination and psychological counseling.

On July 31, 2002, Donato was charged with 386 counts of rape.

Donato claimed his daughter was merely fabricating her tale. He said his wife engineered the filing of charges so she could get custody of the children and marry a foreigner.

The Calamba trial court on March 20, 2006 ruled that only 360 counts were admissible, considering that in the other instances, the suspect may only be charged with acts of lasciviousness.
http://www.malaya.com.ph/09242010/news5.html

firefly
 
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Reply Thu 23 Sep, 2010 08:03 pm
@msolga,
Thanks for dropping by, msolga. And thanks for your commendation. Hope you hang around and join the discussion.

And your answer is right on target--no woman ever "asks" to get raped.

But, even if we have another 3,066 posts in this thread, we won't be able to convince some people of that. They still want to blame the victim for her rape. Or, even worse, they'll say she was never raped, "she wanted it" and now she's lying just to be able to throw some innocent man in jail.

This thread has been a real learning experience for me.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 23 Sep, 2010 08:07 pm
@firefly,
I know how that girl felt. Incestuous rape is so, so difficult. Here is your father, a man you love and trusted and he destroys all of that. The worst part is the love doesn't just stop. There is always that he's your father bond. She was the same age as me when my father raped me. And oh, don't think he didn't terrorize her if she told anyone. I guarantee he did. With statements like, who is going to believe you? You are just a kid! If you tell, it'll be your fault the family breaks up. It would be all your fault! Those kinds of threats are worse (to me anyway) than threats of violence. Why, I couldn't tell you. My father always said if I got pregnant, he'd take care of it. Just a quick push down the stairs and it's all taken care of.

BBB had mentioned something that I didn't respond to but will now. She was brought up being told how horrible it was to be pregnant before you are married and she worried about being pregnant. I didn't even know how you got pregnant but was always scared I was because that was drummed into me since whenever it is I remember so when my father raped me, it caused a great deal of confusion in that area.

I am so glad there are judges in this world and advocates and caring compassionate people that are trying to really do something about this. It does give me hope.

I pray that young women is smarter than I was and doesn't let what happened to her ruin a lot of her life before she figures out that it's not what people do to us in this world that matters-it's what we do with what they do to us.
Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 23 Sep, 2010 08:42 pm
@msolga,
msolga wrote:

3,066 posts & 22,177 views later & we still don't have an answer? Surprised Wink

I gotta commend the folk on this thread for their resilience, or stubbornness, or conviction, or whatever ... wow!

I'll help you out, if you like: The answer is no, she can't.

Wow---isn't that just terrible news for women? I'm sure gazillions of y'all would like nothing better than to get raped. And now there's no way for you to even ask for it? Say it ain't so, MsOlga!
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 23 Sep, 2010 08:51 pm
@BillRM,
@glitterbag,

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I think the 2 posters claiming rape is much ado about nothing have figured out how to get their rocks off while trying to engage women and provoke until they get all the juicy stories.

It is indeed bullshit when you pressure adolescence males in a survey to see the light that their normal sexual relationships with their female’s partners happen in fact to have been rape.

Bet that if you would interviews the females partners of these “rapists” they would also need to be heavily counsel on the feminist meaning of rape before they would perhaps also see the light and it then would slowly dawn of them that they are the victims instead of the willing sexual partners of their boyfriends.

Sorry dear heart, pressuring young men in that manner is not the foundation of any scientific survey but a bullshit piece of propaganda that sound good to quote.

I have no idea what you are talking about. I didn't mention surveys, you must have me confused with someone else. My remarks were to warn fellow posters that I have figured out your creepy game and I don't wish to indulge any more of your sick fantasy. I thought I marked you as "ignore" obviously I need to double check that. Please save your sloppy-ass angry typing and unintelligeble sentance structure for the other sick puppy.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 23 Sep, 2010 10:23 pm
@Arella Mae,
I thought about you when I read about that young girl in the Philippines. That court realized all the conflicts and difficulties that child experienced before she was finally able to report what was done to her--precisely because it was her father doing it. And I have no doubt that she was terrorized and intimidated by him, and, fortunately the court understood that too.

I can only imagine how difficult an incestuous rape must be. Reading what you have said about your experience has helped me gain some greater understanding. I know that other women here have probably learned from you too or have been helped by what you have shared. You, and BBB, and osso, have all been very courageous in sharing your stories of rape with the rest of us. particularly in this thread, with the hostile and mocking attitudes of Hawkeye and BillRM making such difficult revelations even more difficult and painful. I really admire all of you. And, by speaking out, I believe you do help other victims to have hope that experiences like that do not have to destroy lives, that they are not shameful, that you can continue to grow and move on with life.

In the reading I've done for this thread, I came across info that mentioned something about the body's physiological response to rape making impregnation less likely. But that is not the case with incestuous rape, because that tends to be an act repeated over time. So, if the incest involves unprotected sex, pregnancy becomes more likely. And, as you mentioned in your case, the mere thought of pregnancy adds yet another element of fear to the situation for the daughter. It is a miracle that the girl in the Philippines did not become pregnant since her father was raping her on a daily basis except when she menstruated. My mind boggles at the thought of becoming pregnant as the result of incest.

The other day I heard Carl Paladino, the Republican candidate for governor of NY, tell someone (I think it was Anderson Cooper) that he does not feel abortion should be legal, not even in cases of rape or incest, because, "That's what adoption is for". Regardless of how one feels about the general issue of abortion, I could not not believe that someone could make so glib and callous a statement about the one thing that should be a woman's legal choice--particularly in instances of rape and incest, where the women has had no choice in the matter of getting pregnant. How could anyone want to force a female to carry her father's child to term against her will? And giving a child up for adoption, even an unwanted child, isn't all that easy for many women. You always know you have a child out there somewhere. When women have been victimized by rape or incest, and are then victimized again by a resulting pregnancy, the woman cannot then be victimized additionally by society denying her any choice in whether to carry that pregnancy to term--that is just outrageous cruelty. At some point that woman is entitled to take back control over her own body. People like Carl Paladino make me sick...and angry. It's not just their right-to-life stance, it's their complete indifference to the situation of a woman who is the victim of rape or incest.

I think things have changed in the last several decades, probably thanks to all those "feminists" that Hawkeye hates so much. Rape has come out of the shadows. It is talked about. It is acknowledged. Rape shield laws have made it easier for women to legally pursue justice in the courts. Woman no longer have to be beaten to a pulp to demonstrate non consent or resistance. Rape crisis centers and victims advocate groups are available to help victims. There are more understanding, and compassionate, and caring people who come forward to support victims and to fight the ideas that women who are raped should be either shamed or blamed. And I really believe there is a global solidarity among women in recognizing the crime of rape for the horror that it is and demanding that it be addressed. All women either are, or could be, the victim of a rape--and we all know that. We've made some progress in helping the victims, now we've got to make much more progress in stopping the rapes and punishing the rapists, and that's going to be a long hard road.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 01:28 am
@msolga,
Actually, it was answered on page 1.
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